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Post by squatter1 on Jan 26, 2021 14:47:21 GMT
Ash needs to be part of the group in some capacity at these upcoming Euros.
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Post by quetzal on Jan 26, 2021 15:23:13 GMT
Thank you for everything Ashley. We were brave on the ball at the back. We cut down on the hoofball. Ashley was a massive part of that. The Belgian goal. Wow!!!
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Post by robwrecsam on Jan 26, 2021 16:05:42 GMT
Great player for us, I’m sure he will play some part of the wider squad in the euros
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 26, 2021 16:35:30 GMT
It's just such a shame how his Welsh career dwindled away. To still be captain, and be dropped so many times for inferior players under Giggs was poor treatment imo. His playing abilities were quite clearly on the wane (quite dramatically after his first season at Everton), Everton were rubbish that year, sacked Koeman as they were terrible. Can't blame that on AW. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 27, 2021 9:47:24 GMT
Will sing his praises to the end of my days & will tell all the young folk how important he was for us in what we achieved. Easily best captain of my life so far - will take some topping! Diolch Ash!
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Post by 1gwaunview on Jan 27, 2021 10:38:38 GMT
Atgofion melys. Diolch Ash.
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Post by welshrover on Jan 27, 2021 14:08:12 GMT
Atgofion melys. Diolch Ash. Hollol cytuno. |
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Post by gwernybwch on Jan 27, 2021 18:33:19 GMT
It's just such a shame how his Welsh career dwindled away. To still be captain, and be dropped so many times for inferior players under Giggs was poor treatment imo. Don't agree sorry. His playing abilities were quite clearly on the wane (quite dramatically after his first season at Everton), although his organisational/leadership ability remained clear for all to see. In a way its a shame he didn't retire after the Euro campaign, or certainly the WC18 campaign. Would have saved Giggs some headaches.Whatever happened to countries retiring players (and not players retiring from their country)? What headaches Giggs did have were all self-created. Why make somebody captain when you have no intention of playing them? Especially for somebody like Ash who was never going to retire from international duty. Even Toshack had to the man management skills to actually speak to players and tell them that they didn't feature in his plans. |
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Post by njdragon on Jan 28, 2021 13:30:08 GMT
Don't agree sorry. His playing abilities were quite clearly on the wane (quite dramatically after his first season at Everton), although his organisational/leadership ability remained clear for all to see. In a way its a shame he didn't retire after the Euro campaign, or certainly the WC18 campaign. Would have saved Giggs some headaches.Whatever happened to countries retiring players (and not players retiring from their country)? What headaches Giggs did have were all self-created. Why make somebody captain when you have no intention of playing them? Especially for somebody like Ash who was never going to retire from international duty. Even Toshack had to the man management skills to actually speak to players and tell them that they didn't feature in his plans. when did giggs disrespect ash? He was always included in squads and maintained that captains armband despite not being at his best, playing regularly etc since leaving swansea. Im sure even williams himself would say that no one is guarranteed a game. But he was always around the team and you cant say that williams should have played, as those boys that came in have got us where we are. It was the right call to drop ash but sad because of the circumstances. |
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Post by cadno on Jan 28, 2021 17:13:10 GMT
Whatever happened to countries retiring players (and not players retiring from their country)? What headaches Giggs did have were all self-created. Why make somebody captain when you have no intention of playing them? Especially for somebody like Ash who was never going to retire from international duty. Even Toshack had to the man management skills to actually speak to players and tell them that they didn't feature in his plans. when did giggs disrespect ash? He was always included in squads and maintained that captains armband despite not being at his best, playing regularly etc since leaving swansea. Im sure even williams himself would say that no one is guarranteed a game. But he was always around the team and you cant say that williams should have played, as those boys that came in have got us where we are. It was the right call to drop ash but sad because of the circumstances. Defensively we've struggled against better sides, Denmark(x2) Spain, Croatia (a), England... Ash played the 1st half against Spain and we were rolled over, I think that game maybe put doubt into RGs mind. Were on a good run so let's wait and see, Belgium and the Czech Republic will be a good test for us! Before a difficult group in the Euros. Getting into league A in the nation's league gives us plenty of tough opposition to improve and see where we stand too! |
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Post by gwernybwch on Jan 28, 2021 17:19:16 GMT
Whatever happened to countries retiring players (and not players retiring from their country)? What headaches Giggs did have were all self-created. Why make somebody captain when you have no intention of playing them? Especially for somebody like Ash who was never going to retire from international duty. Even Toshack had to the man management skills to actually speak to players and tell them that they didn't feature in his plans. when did giggs disrespect ash? He was always included in squads and maintained that captains armband despite not being at his best, playing regularly etc since leaving swansea. Im sure even williams himself would say that no one is guarranteed a game. But he was always around the team and you cant say that williams should have played, as those boys that came in have got us where we are. It was the right call to drop ash but sad because of the circumstances. Giggs made Ash Captain even though he had no intention of playing him or otherwise get him involved. Why do this? This made Ashley obliged to turn up for camps and sit on the sidelines and watch the likes of James Lawrence fumble through games. Wouldn't you feel slighted if that happened to you? There was many other ways that Giggs could have handled this. Make him the 'ambassadorial captain' that some clubs give to long-serving players. Get him involved in some way as a player / coach. Even the Toshack 'I'm going in a different direction' type of phone call. A dedicated servant to Welsh football deserved better than the way he was treated. |
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Post by njdragon on Jan 29, 2021 10:44:38 GMT
when did giggs disrespect ash? He was always included in squads and maintained that captains armband despite not being at his best, playing regularly etc since leaving swansea. Im sure even williams himself would say that no one is guarranteed a game. But he was always around the team and you cant say that williams should have played, as those boys that came in have got us where we are. It was the right call to drop ash but sad because of the circumstances. Giggs made Ash Captain even though he had no intention of playing him or otherwise get him involved. Why do this? This made Ashley obliged to turn up for camps and sit on the sidelines and watch the likes of James Lawrence fumble through games. Wouldn't you feel slighted if that happened to you? There was many other ways that Giggs could have handled this. Make him the 'ambassadorial captain' that some clubs give to long-serving players. Get him involved in some way as a player / coach. Even the Toshack 'I'm going in a different direction' type of phone call. A dedicated servant to Welsh football deserved better than the way he was treated. as far as im aware coleman give ash the armband, giggs never took this away. I would say even though his career was on the decline that shows respect for ash. I don't think ashley williams would ever feel obliged to turn up for camps. He doesn't strike me as that sort. His role which im sure must have been highlighted to him was to help bring through the younger players/next generation. I think a 'going in a different direction' call is an insult. He was good enough for the squad but not good enough to make the starting 11. I think here giggs is damned if he does damned if he doesn't. Its a sensitive situation as ash is a legend but i don't think he was disrespected just better players came through. |
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Jan 29, 2021 12:19:07 GMT
He's said he may go in to management, and is currently doing his coaching badges.
Future Welsh manager?
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Post by cadno on Jan 29, 2021 13:14:33 GMT
He's said he may go in to management, and is currently doing his coaching badges. Future Welsh manager? Gobeitho, I think that would be great! |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Jan 29, 2021 13:59:56 GMT
He's said he may go in to management, and is currently doing his coaching badges. Future Welsh manager? If he's a good manager then maybe. If he's not than no. No guarantees that he'll make the transition. |
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 29, 2021 17:05:05 GMT
He's said he may go in to management, and is currently doing his coaching badges. Future Welsh manager? If he's a good manager then maybe. If he's not than no. No guarantees that he'll make the transition. Arguably he has worked under some of the greatest players to turn manager and it's not quite worked out for them in the long term (Laudrup & Koeman). Hopefully a good learning point. |
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Post by cadno on Feb 5, 2021 1:02:06 GMT
He's on the latest EJFOF podcast.
He was very honest at the end of the interview when asked about only playing 1 qualifier in the euro2020 qualifiers.
He felt he was in better form than some players picked ahead of him, he was playing regularly and he was captain with 80+ caps so found it difficult to be on the bench but needing to keep positive to help inexperienced lads like Rodon and Mepham.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Feb 5, 2021 9:34:01 GMT
He's on the latest EJFOF podcast. He was very honest at the end of the interview when asked about only playing 1 qualifier in the euro2020 qualifiers. He felt he was in better form than some players picked ahead of him, he was playing regularly and he was captain with 80+ caps so found it difficult to be on the bench but needing to keep positive to help inexperienced lads like Rodon and Mepham. Respect to him he had every right to feel that. I do think ultimately the management did the right thing as we will reap the long term benefits from this transition for years to come. And ultimately we qualified for the tournament whilst blooding these players so it turned out to be a great decision really. It is harsh on our greatest captain but sometimes a harsh decision needs to be made |
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 11, 2021 20:52:12 GMT
Good interview with Ash. Reveals he’s doing his coaching badges with the aim to get involved with Wales:
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 12, 2021 0:30:59 GMT
Will be an asset to our set up when he's ready - glad to hear he's continuing in football
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Post by CrackityJones on May 20, 2021 13:54:54 GMT
Enjoy a spot of Euro breakfast with Ash:
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Post by cogancoronation31 on May 20, 2021 14:03:44 GMT
Something more to look forward to, pre-Euros.
First prog will be sandwiched between the two friendlies ahead of the tournament itself. I predict a draw (France away) and a home win over Albania!
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Post by allezlesrouges on May 20, 2021 15:09:50 GMT
Something more to look forward to, pre-Euros. First prog will be sandwiched between the two friendlies ahead of the tournament itself. I predict a draw (France away) and a home win over Albania! A draw against France would be an unbelievable result. Their 4th team are better than our 1st team on paper. I'd take not being spanked in that one, even though I expect us to play our strongest XI I don't mind whether or not we beat Albania, I just want to see our extended squad have a run out |
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Post by cadno on Jun 15, 2021 7:55:09 GMT
Very good interview on the longmans podcast (OTJ) a lot of funny stories in there. I'd love to see him back as Wales manager one day. Top bloke. aca.st/234f81 |
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Post by njdragon on Jun 15, 2021 9:04:09 GMT
Very good interview on the longmans podcast (OTJ) a lot of funny stories in there. I'd love to see him back as Wales manager one day. Top bloke. aca.st/234f81absolutely brilliant exactly what you want to hear! brilliant stories |
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Post by iantov on Oct 14, 2022 3:43:11 GMT
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Post by jimmytaff on Oct 14, 2022 11:17:15 GMT
If what his spokesperson says is true, he will soon be acquited |
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Post by welshwhite on Oct 14, 2022 17:30:41 GMT
I've spent a lot of time parenting, coaching, and officiating at this level. There is far too much emphasis placed on 'pushy' parents. There are a LOT of idiots at this level who think they are the next Clattenburg or Guardiola. Ash is not going to suffer fools gladly.
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