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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 11, 2017 14:00:37 GMT
Who is the vice-captain? Gunter? Ramsey?
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Post by ae15 on Oct 11, 2017 14:38:27 GMT
It's up to him. If he feels that he'll still have it in him in three years time then fair enough. I can't seem him remaining in the Everton team for much longer though, and if he's not playing I can just see him getting worse. He just looks a shadow of his Swansea self.
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Oct 11, 2017 15:49:53 GMT
Gunter is a leader - but i dont think Ash should give this up
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Post by ae15 on Oct 11, 2017 15:54:42 GMT
Gunter is a leader - but i dont think Ash should give this up Let's be honest, it would be Bale wouldn't it. |
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Oct 11, 2017 16:08:24 GMT
You are probably right yes. He is a leader also mind, and guaranteed to play. But im feeling dirty talking about other captains!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 16:37:01 GMT
Rio Ferdinand owns part of New Era Global Sports, the agency that represents both Ashley Williams and Chris Gunter. (As well as, Jazz, Tayls, Kingy and Jonny Williams. He's been to a fair few of our games, and he even attended the London premiere of don't take me home as new era had a co production credit in the film. Rio and ash are best mates. So although he speaks highly of him, he has a vested interest in him doing well. Sounds like Rio has a canny financial advisor. You get massive tax breaks for investing in film, akin to giving money to charity etc. He's invested in a lot of other film projects too. Still the guy deserves some good luck and as Zenith says was a terrific player. |
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Post by conwy10 on Oct 11, 2017 21:33:58 GMT
Couldn't find another thread for Ash. In my opinion, he should retire now. He's really looking like his age is catching up with him now. He'll be 34 at the start of the Nations League and 35 at the end of European Qualifying. Unfortunately I feel like he's lost a yard of pace very quickly and it's time to use these friendlies over the next year to find a replacement for him in defence and as a captain. We should be using friendlies to line up replacements for all players and positions. I like Chester but Williams is head and shoulders ahead of any of the other defenders, there will be a gaping hole without him. For the next few friendlies I'd let Ampadu play every minute and rotate Williams and Chester around him. Maybe give Rodon a few minutes too. |
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Post by dai on Oct 11, 2017 21:57:43 GMT
Couldn't find another thread for Ash. In my opinion, he should retire now. He's really looking like his age is catching up with him now. He'll be 34 at the start of the Nations League and 35 at the end of European Qualifying. Unfortunately I feel like he's lost a yard of pace very quickly and it's time to use these friendlies over the next year to find a replacement for him in defence and as a captain. We should be using friendlies to line up replacements for all players and positions. I like Chester but Williams is head and shoulders ahead of any of the other defenders, there will be a gaping hole without him. For the next few friendlies I'd let Ampadu play every minute and rotate Williams and Chester around him. Maybe give Rodon a few minutes too. I think Ampadu looks far too lightweight for a CB role at the moment. He's only 17, so plenty of time to fill out. I just imagine he'd get bullied a lot by some decent sized forwards. |
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Post by alarch on Oct 11, 2017 23:34:18 GMT
We need to use the friendly opportunities coming up between now and the start of the Nations League to give some serious game time to some of the youngsters. The failure to arrange friendlies, although understandable, has cost us options. Had Harry Wilson (to give a random example) played a friendly a while ago and played a blinder, he would have been a serious option for the qualifiers. As it was there was no way he could be considered for selection.
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Post by conwy10 on Oct 12, 2017 21:15:55 GMT
We should be using friendlies to line up replacements for all players and positions. I like Chester but Williams is head and shoulders ahead of any of the other defenders, there will be a gaping hole without him. For the next few friendlies I'd let Ampadu play every minute and rotate Williams and Chester around him. Maybe give Rodon a few minutes too. I think Ampadu looks far too lightweight for a CB role at the moment. He's only 17, so plenty of time to fill out. I just imagine he'd get bullied a lot by some decent sized forwards. Could possibly be good experience for him learning how to handle those forwards, we only learn when we go outside our comfort zones. I see him as the future in Centre defence, don't want to see him become a Nyatanga but would like to see him start getting caps in friendlies. I'd keep Williams and Chester or Williams, Chester and Gunter/Davies for competitive matches though. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 12, 2017 21:44:14 GMT
He definitely shouldn't retire however I can't see him being a definite starter for the start of the EURO 2020 qualifiers, especially if he continues playing the way he has for Everton. He'll be 34 by then, which is by no means ancient, but is the time where we should perhaps be looking at others
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Post by cadno on Oct 13, 2017 8:24:37 GMT
He definitely shouldn't retire however I can't see him being a definite starter for the start of the EURO 2020 qualifiers, especially if he continues playing the way he has for Everton. He'll be 34 by then, which is by no means ancient, but is the time where we should perhaps be looking at others I agree. It will be hard for him to be less involved, but he's such an important person to have around and to be fair he has been pretty solid for us throughout the campaign! Needs to leave Everton. He'd be a great fit for Crystal Palace I think. |
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Post by vandenhauwe on Oct 13, 2017 9:06:40 GMT
As a swans fan I loved ash but to be honest this campaign he has been poor can think of several times he's been proved wanting i'd rather he retire now and go out gracefully!!This nations league is a chance to get a few youngsters in and it needs to start if we have a friendly next month!!Next captain for me is a no brainer joe Allen!!!
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Post by alarch on Oct 13, 2017 9:33:30 GMT
I can't agree. He had a pretty good game apart from that one calamitous moment. Unless there's clear evidence his pace has completely gone - which I doubt - then he has a big part to play. 32 is still pretty young for a centre half, so, as long as he still wants to play, he definitely has a part to play in the future, perhaps even a major part if there is no one around to take his place.
As for Ampadu. He should start off alongside Allen. Ledley is terrific for us - and will continue to be our first choice until someone can prove that they can do a better job. But Ampadu has to be given that opportunity in friendlies - and I suspect he will. Hopefully in November.
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Post by zenith on Oct 13, 2017 10:26:19 GMT
Ampadu is 3-4 years off starting imo, Williams has at least one more campaign in him.
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Post by JC on Oct 13, 2017 15:20:56 GMT
Ampadu is 3-4 years off starting imo, Williams has at least one more campaign in him. Based on what? We haven't seen him play for the first team yet in a Welsh shirt. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 13, 2017 15:22:45 GMT
Ampadu is 3-4 years off starting imo, Williams has at least one more campaign in him. Based on what? We haven't seen him play for the first team yet in a Welsh shirt. He'll be around 20 and if his development continues at the pace it has then I think he'd certainly be in contention |
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Post by JC on Oct 13, 2017 15:29:30 GMT
I think a more apt question is should Ash continue to be our captain? For me, he should. If it's not Ash then I think it should be Ramsey, Allen or Gunter. Also, he should move from Everton asap. Their fans are deluded and they're against him, it's a rubbish club to be at right now. Ashley has been terrible for Everton, it's not that they're against him it's just that if a player isn't performing well for your team then obviously fans are going to be annoyed. Although I wont argue the fact it's a rubbish club to be at currently!  My opinion is based on the recent Welsh games is that he should be in the squad but we should ideally be trying to bring in someone else now. Age has sadly caught up to him recently and has started to become a bit of a liability. |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Oct 13, 2017 15:38:52 GMT
Friendlies this season especially will be a good opportunity to give the likes of Ampadu and Brooks a taste of International football before the qualifiers/Nations league next season.
Some take to International football like a duck to water e.g. Ben Woodburn, others take longer or not at all.
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Post by dai on Oct 13, 2017 15:48:04 GMT
Regarding the CB role, what about giving Lockyer / Walsh a chance or draft in Rodon or Mepham?
We're at a stage now where there's a huge quality gap between the CB's. Quite worrying
Will Coleman, or the next manager need to draft in players from the u21 squad as Toshack once had to?
Unless we can uncover some dual qualified regulars in the premier league or championship.
I am not advocating dropping Williams btw, we have absolutely no-one even close to his standard, but we need to make sure we have backups who've actually played games. If he retires we are in trouble.
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Post by alarch on Oct 13, 2017 15:50:37 GMT
I think a more apt question is should Ash continue to be our captain? For me, he should. If it's not Ash then I think it should be Ramsey, Allen or Gunter. Also, he should move from Everton asap. Their fans are deluded and they're against him, it's a rubbish club to be at right now. Ashley has been terrible for Everton, it's not that they're against him it's just that if a player isn't performing well for your team then obviously fans are going to be annoyed. Although I wont argue the fact it's a rubbish club to be at currently! My opinion is based on the recent Welsh games is that he should be in the squad but we should ideally be trying to bring in someone else now. Age has sadly caught up to him recently and has started to become a bit of a liability. We concede one goal in four games and suddenly Williams is a liability? Some perspective please... |
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Oct 13, 2017 16:30:29 GMT
Lots of paper talk saying that Ampadu will be involved against Palace tomorrow, Chelsea got a few injuries
Wayne is apparently injured after the rugby international on Monday.
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Post by cadno on Oct 13, 2017 22:02:45 GMT
I think a more apt question is should Ash continue to be our captain? For me, he should. If it's not Ash then I think it should be Ramsey, Allen or Gunter. Also, he should move from Everton asap. Their fans are deluded and they're against him, it's a rubbish club to be at right now. Ashley has been terrible for Everton, it's not that they're against him it's just that if a player isn't performing well for your team then obviously fans are going to be annoyed. Although I wont argue the fact it's a rubbish club to be at currently! My opinion is based on the recent Welsh games is that he should be in the squad but we should ideally be trying to bring in someone else now. Age has sadly caught up to him recently and has started to become a bit of a liability. I've watched a lot of Everton and he seriously hasnt done much wrong, Everton have been terrible though. |
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Post by cadno on Oct 13, 2017 22:04:11 GMT
Ashley has been terrible for Everton, it's not that they're against him it's just that if a player isn't performing well for your team then obviously fans are going to be annoyed. Although I wont argue the fact it's a rubbish club to be at currently! My opinion is based on the recent Welsh games is that he should be in the squad but we should ideally be trying to bring in someone else now. Age has sadly caught up to him recently and has started to become a bit of a liability. We concede one goal in four games and suddenly Williams is a liability? Some perspective please... He's had a solid campaign IMO, people have short memories!! He saved us in the 1st half after clearing a good Mcclean cross. |
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Post by ontheroadagain on Oct 15, 2017 12:16:42 GMT
Ash dropped today.
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Post by JC on Oct 16, 2017 15:00:32 GMT
Ashley has been terrible for Everton, it's not that they're against him it's just that if a player isn't performing well for your team then obviously fans are going to be annoyed. Although I wont argue the fact it's a rubbish club to be at currently! My opinion is based on the recent Welsh games is that he should be in the squad but we should ideally be trying to bring in someone else now. Age has sadly caught up to him recently and has started to become a bit of a liability. We concede one goal in four games and suddenly Williams is a liability? Some perspective please... It's my opinion that he has. As an Evertonian who watches every game home and away week in week out I do think that age has unfortunately caught up to him. I mean there's a reason Swansea got rid when they did. One goal in four games in correct yes personally think that flatters us. We were lucky with Arnautović putting his 1 on 1 wide and even more so with getting a clean sheet in Moldova! Am I the only person who remembers his snidey shoulder barge against Austria? Or is it ok if we get away with it? |
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Post by JC on Oct 16, 2017 15:03:02 GMT
Ashley has been terrible for Everton, it's not that they're against him it's just that if a player isn't performing well for your team then obviously fans are going to be annoyed. Although I wont argue the fact it's a rubbish club to be at currently! My opinion is based on the recent Welsh games is that he should be in the squad but we should ideally be trying to bring in someone else now. Age has sadly caught up to him recently and has started to become a bit of a liability.  Yeah ok. And when he bends over sun shines out of his arse! |
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Post by alarch on Oct 16, 2017 16:01:39 GMT
Swansea hardly "got rid". Williams wanted to leave, and Swansea got a decent price for a 31 year old keen on moving. Time will tell whether Williams is in decline, but it's hard to believe that he's gone downhill as quickly as you suggest. He's the latest in a long line of players to suffer the Swansea curse - not managing to replicate his Swansea form after moving on. Sigurdsson is the latest by the looks of things. Ben Davies is the notable exception (Thank God).
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 16, 2017 16:15:13 GMT
Ash is just having a run of bad form, it happens to every player at some point. At 31 he's hardly past it.
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Post by haruki on Oct 16, 2017 16:20:42 GMT
If Ash has lost a half yard of pace which is more than likely at his age then he will be learning to adapt his game to what his body now can and can't do, I am sure an intelligent player like him can do this although it would be helpful to adapt in a better team than Everton are right now!!
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Yeah ok. 