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Post by iot on Feb 5, 2017 20:13:16 GMT
The argument against him starting in Dublin seems to be getting weaker by the goal Agree with this, although I still think it's a little premature to say he should be nailed on for a starting spot at this stage. For example, if he has a scoreless run over the next six weeks and isn't playing particularly well, should he definitely start then? The only players that should be nailed on are Bale, Ramsey, Allen, Ash and Davies (if fit). Lawrence is obviously in a purple patch right now and that's brilliant. He shouldn't be expected to maintain this level up to Ireland (he's averaging a goal per game) but I would argue he needs to continue putting in decent performances right up until the game before Coleman thinks he has to start. |
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Post by dlwilliams on Feb 5, 2017 22:11:10 GMT
The argument against him starting in Dublin seems to be getting weaker by the goal Agree with this, although I still think it's a little premature to say he should be nailed on for a starting spot at this stage. For example, if he has a scoreless run over the next six weeks and isn't playing particularly well, should he definitely start then? The only players that should be nailed on are Bale, Ramsey, Allen, Ash and Davies (if fit). Lawrence is obviously in a purple patch right now and that's brilliant. He shouldn't be expected to maintain this level up to Ireland (he's averaging a goal per game) but I would argue he needs to continue putting in decent performances right up until the game before Coleman thinks he has to start. I completely agree. I'm not a complete advocate of him starting in Dublin, though he is clearly in the best form of any Welsh player at the moment. What I was saying is that the longer this run of form continues, the more the clamour for his inclusion in the starting XI against Ireland will grow. Interesting to see how Coleman approaches the game generally. Will he continue with four at the back? I think he will. |
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Post by hookd on Feb 5, 2017 22:28:44 GMT
We have not had a consistent goalscoring forward (Bale apart) for a decade. He simply has to start even if he starts averaging 1 in every 2 games. He has quality, is no longer a kid, has pace (which few in our side,m apart from Bale has) and can smash that ball into the net. Vokes can be a bench option and Robson-Kanu can be a bench option, pay a centre forward holding role (with Lawrence on the wing) or go out wide himself. We are not so well endowed in our team to not utilise a goalscorer.
Hopefully Huws gets match fit from here in time for the Ireland match. There is no way Coleman would start him but again he is another who has quality and can make a difference. Who can score you a goal out of nothing - Bale, Ramsey, Hal (sometimes), Joe Allen (or was his early season goal fest a pure fluke), but also Lawrence and Huws.
Can you imagine this for an attacking line up!
Hennesey
Ben Davies, Chester, Williams, Richards
(I know Gunter will play - but I personally wish the more attacking option would prosper)
Allen, Huws . (I know Huws won't start and he'd need to improve in the next month!), Allen
Ramsey
Bale, Lawrence
Robson-Kanu (or Vokes)
We'd have a few goal threats, be good at set pieces and pace. Vokes or Robson Kanu would have two fast players to get the flick on to. We would have 3 players who could score from free kicks (4 if you include Ramsey), we would have 3 central midfielders who can pick great passes and drive the ball forward and potentially 2 box to box midfielders. Obviously the main problem is would it be too attack minded.
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Post by iot on Feb 5, 2017 22:53:12 GMT
We have not had a consistent goalscoring forward (Bale apart) for a decade. He simply has to start even if he starts averaging 1 in every 2 games. He has quality, is no longer a kid, has pace (which few in our side,m apart from Bale has) and can smash that ball into the net. Vokes can be a bench option and Robson-Kanu can be a bench option, pay a centre forward holding role (with Lawrence on the wing) or go out wide himself. We are not so well endowed in our team to not utilise a goalscorer. Hopefully Huws gets match fit from here in time for the Ireland match. There is no way Coleman would start him but again he is another who has quality and can make a difference. Who can score you a goal out of nothing - Bale, Ramsey, Hal (sometimes), Joe Allen (or was his early season goal fest a pure fluke), but also Lawrence and Huws. Can you imagine this for an attacking line up! Hennesey Ben Davies, Chester, Williams, Richards (I know Gunter will play - but I personally wish the more attacking option would prosper) Allen, Huws . (I know Huws won't start and he'd need to improve in the next month!), Allen Ramsey Bale, Lawrence Robson-Kanu (or Vokes) We'd have a few goal threats, be good at set pieces and pace. Vokes or Robson Kanu would have two fast players to get the flick on to. We would have 3 players who could score from free kicks (4 if you include Ramsey), we would have 3 central midfielders who can pick great passes and drive the ball forward and potentially 2 box to box midfielders. Obviously the main problem is would it be too attack minded. Yes, if he continues to score and play well (even if not at the same incredible rate) he should definitely start. It might be better to have him in the Ramsey role next to bale, and drop Ramsey back next to Allen and keep the five at the back. When we first started using the formation, there weren't many top sides using it. However, it's becoming much more fashionable now (look at Chelsea and Spurs) and there must be a reason for that. It seems to be the best way to tactically set up these days. |
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Post by zenith on Feb 5, 2017 23:36:28 GMT
The more I think of it I think we should go for Bale and Ramsey alternating as a false 9 like this:
.....Lawrence...Ramsey...Bale
Taylor.........Ledley....Allen.........Gunter
..........Davies Williams Chester
....................Hennessey
Lawrence has to start for me as he is currently the most in form Welsh player there is!
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Post by CrackityJones on Feb 6, 2017 10:23:14 GMT
Some interesting options there for fitting him into the current system.
It's obvious Lawrence is the most improved Welsh player this season while Taylor's form has dropped the most dramatically, which is why I think the best way to accommodate Tom is switching to a back four with Lawrence/Ramsey/Bale behind Vokes.
I'd love to see Bale and Lawrence switching from left to right giving their defence hell...there'd be shots raining in from all angles!
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Post by welshiron on Feb 6, 2017 10:29:42 GMT
If he keeps this form p I would play him but still a while until the game
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Post by manulike on Feb 6, 2017 11:32:21 GMT
Some interesting options there for fitting him into the current system. It's obvious Lawrence is the most improved Welsh player this season while Taylor's form has dropped the most dramatically, which is why I think the best way to accommodate Tom is switching to a back four with Lawrence/Ramsey/Bale behind Vokes. I'd love to see Bale and Lawrence switching from left to right giving their defense hell...there'd be shots raining in from all angles!Don't take me wrong, I am a big fan and think Tom brings a lot as a cameo. When he came on after 68 mins v Serbia there was not a lot of shots raining on the Serbian goal (other than Bale hitting the post). Yes, we had the ball more, but we were also much weaker at the back - and conceded a goal 5 mins before the end... The Irish are no mugs. They will love us to have the ball and then hit us on the break |
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Post by CrackityJones on Feb 6, 2017 16:37:20 GMT
True but he still made a valuable contribution and wasn't in the form he is now. As for weaker at the back, the cross for the goal came on the break from Taylor's side of the pitch like it did against Georgia, another reason it seems the obvious change to me.
Saying that, I doubt Coleman will go down this route and we're more likely to see Lawrence come on later in the game.
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Post by ontheroadagain on Feb 9, 2017 22:46:46 GMT
More shameless pinching from an Ipswich Town Fans Forum. Lawrence is on 9 yellows and they have 3 games before their big Derby game. Interesting discussion here about what he should do, get booked in the next game, get banned and be available for their big game or risk picking up a yellowing the other games and be suspended for the big game. www.twtd.co.uk/forum/398869/tweeted-tom-lawrence/#31Need to look into why he has picked up so many yellows. He had better change his ways or toshfan won't be happy. |
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Post by manulike on Feb 9, 2017 23:11:46 GMT
He better make it to the Cardiff City match, as it'll be just my luck having him suspended for that ;-(
I imagine Emyr isn't allowed to play in it?
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Post by ontheroadagain on Feb 10, 2017 12:19:03 GMT
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Post by manulike on Feb 15, 2017 0:23:03 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Feb 16, 2017 9:23:23 GMT
May be a good thing to have a break and hopefully come back fresh and firing for a couple of games before Dublin. I honestly think he could be the difference in Ireland
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Post by CrackityJones on Feb 16, 2017 10:12:36 GMT
Hopefully it'll make him think twice about picking up avoidable bookings from now on. If he's going to be a big player for us it'd be helpful if he curbed that right now.
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Post by ontheroadagain on Feb 16, 2017 12:27:54 GMT
Hopefully it'll make him think twice about picking up avoidable bookings from now on. If he's going to be a big player for us it'd be helpful if he curbed that right now. Are you toshfan in disguise? |
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Post by CrackityJones on Feb 16, 2017 14:42:30 GMT
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Post by manulike on Feb 19, 2017 22:16:45 GMT
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Post by iot on Feb 19, 2017 22:59:17 GMT
Yes good blog, although I still think the hype is a little premature. He had a quiet first half to the season followed by a purple patch of form in January. Lets wait and see how he does over the next few games before Dublin |
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Post by manulike on Mar 9, 2017 22:07:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 22:21:18 GMT
Wow. Am I getting him confused with someone else or were there questions about his attitude earlier in his career after he went to Leicester from Man United?
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Post by ontheroadagain on Mar 9, 2017 22:44:15 GMT
Saw this the other night when the thread was in its early days. Thought best to leave it alone. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 10, 2017 8:07:33 GMT
The fickle nature of football fans. If he scores for them tomorrow they'll be singing his name again. It'd be wise not to take that attitude with him to Dublin if he wants a starting spot however. He has to rise above the frustrations of the fans. |
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Post by ontheroadagain on Mar 11, 2017 16:58:22 GMT
Back scoring again today.
Ipswich board should make for interesting reading this evening.
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 11, 2017 17:31:03 GMT
Got booked again as well!
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Post by zenith on Mar 11, 2017 18:36:47 GMT
Got booked again as well! for his celebration apparently, I've seen it and there has been many celebrations that have been worse and haven't had a look in from the referee |
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Post by ontheroadagain on Mar 11, 2017 21:41:28 GMT
Not his usual cracking shot, but a good goal from outside the far post.
Marley took his goal well.
I would post the link from Skysports but it is full of ads.
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Post by manulike on Mar 11, 2017 23:03:59 GMT
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Post by hookd on Mar 12, 2017 10:26:55 GMT
Not his usual cracking shot, but a good goal from outside the far post. Marley took his goal well. I would post the link from Skysports but it is full of ads. Thought Lawrence's movement for the goal was excellent and the way he took it was clinical. It was not as easy to score as it looks - he was travelling at full pace when he lashed it in. The great thing is he looks like a natural goalscorer - he is making the slightly difficult chances look very easy. I suspect Coleman will choose Robson-Kanu ahead of Lawrence (but please not Vokes ahead of him) and will tell him run yourself into the ground for 50 minutes. Hopefully it can be a good combination - the physicality of Robson-Kanu following by the sheer pace, skill and finishing prowess of Lawrence. I am sure the Irish management know all about Lawrence (especially as Mick McCarthy is his manager) but I don't think many Irish fans will be aware of how good he can be. |
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Post by ontheroadagain on Apr 6, 2017 23:18:27 GMT
Back in the squad for Ipswich's visit to Fulham on Saturday.
Also one of two players in with a shout for Ipswich's player of the season.
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