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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 1, 2018 20:02:00 GMT
absolutely agree. just tweeting same on seconds ago, certain derby fans would turn on him for any excuse and for wales fans drop Lawrence for Wilson and woodburn. |
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Post by manulike on Nov 1, 2018 20:55:11 GMT
I will have Lawrence on our teamsheet to start v Denmark ahead of Brooks, let alone Wilson and Woodburn.
Heck, the way Bale is playing, even ahead of him :-))
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Post by pendragon on Nov 2, 2018 1:11:56 GMT
I will have Lawrence on our teamsheet to start v Denmark ahead of Brooks, let alone Wilson and Woodburn. Heck, the way Bale is playing, even ahead of him :-)) This may sound a bit greedy but, why not all of them?? 😁 |
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Post by manulike on Nov 2, 2018 22:20:25 GMT
I will have Lawrence on our teamsheet to start v Denmark ahead of Brooks, let alone Wilson and Woodburn. Heck, the way Bale is playing, even ahead of him :-)) This may sound a bit greedy but, why not all of them?? 😁 My favourite new Wales song:
Five in attack ... with Wayne at the back ;-)
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Post by TheWelshWay on Nov 3, 2018 0:20:19 GMT
What lyrics are you going for?
I propose
Giggsy had a dream,
Our attack would be supreme,
He’ll play all the young guns - and go 5 in attack! !!
5 in attack!!
With Wayne in the back...with Wayne in the baaaaack
Watch out Europe, we’re on our way back
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Post by manulike on Nov 3, 2018 14:41:18 GMT
What lyrics are you going for? I propose Giggsy had a dream,
Our attack would be supreme,
He’ll play all the young guns - and go 5 in attack! !!
5 in attack!!
With Wayne in the back...with Wayne in the baaaaack Watch out Europe, we’re on our way back Love it. Someone please tweet it to the Barry Horns!
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Post by manulike on Nov 15, 2018 22:44:29 GMT
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Post by rushlegend on Nov 15, 2018 22:47:01 GMT
My favourite new Wales song:
Five in attack ... with Wayne at the back ;-)
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by rushlegend on Nov 15, 2018 22:48:17 GMT
What lyrics are you going for?
I propose
Giggsy had a dream,
Our attack would be supreme,
He’ll play all the young guns - and go 5 in attack! !!
5 in attack!!
With Wayne in the back...with Wayne in the baaaaack
Watch out Europe, we’re on our way back
Double LOL!!!!! - Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by TheWelshWay on Nov 15, 2018 23:10:28 GMT
What lyrics are you going for? I propose Giggsy had a dream, Our attack would be supreme, He’ll play all the young guns - and go 5 in attack! !! 5 in attack!! With Wayne in the back...with Wayne in the baaaaack Watch out Europe, we’re on our way back Think we need to get this out there 😜 some of my finest work haha |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 23:07:44 GMT
Not quite good enough for me - against the top sides. Ok for the weaker fixtures .. Gunter was shit.
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Post by quetzal on Nov 17, 2018 1:55:04 GMT
Not quite good enough for me - against the top sides. Ok for the weaker fixtures .. Gunter was shit. I’m a Derby County fan and i’m not impressed by Lawrence in the top games. Not good enough |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 17, 2018 3:48:58 GMT
As usual Tom just seems to try that run a bit to far, simple pass instead of trying to take on to many players, he is frustrating at times.....
But as usual he comes into more critizm than most than ant other players.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 17, 2018 4:32:49 GMT
As usual Tom just seems to try that run a bit to far, simple pass instead of trying to take on to many players, he is frustrating at times..... But as usual he comes into more critizm than most than ant other players. I’ve been quite critical of him based on tonight, but that’s mostly because he was playing a similar role to Brooks and Bale who outshone him massively. He’s competing with Bale, Brooks, Ramsey, Wilson and Woodburn for 3 spots behind the striker. I think he’ll struggle to get in the starting line up in the future, luckily for him he’ll be guaranteed a start in Albania to put it right. |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 17, 2018 6:30:09 GMT
As usual Tom just seems to try that run a bit to far, simple pass instead of trying to take on to many players, he is frustrating at times..... But as usual he comes into more critizm than most than ant other players. I’ve been quite critical of him based on tonight, but that’s mostly because he was playing a similar role to Brooks and Bale who outshone him massively. He’s competing with Bale, Brooks, Ramsey, Wilson and Woodburn for 3 spots behind the striker. I think he’ll struggle to get in the starting line up in the future, luckily for him he’ll be guaranteed a start in Albania to put it right. I'm critical of him for Wales and derby, but he seems to come under more than he deserves especially at Derby. Like I have said many times he tries to do these runs instead of passing. At derby with Lawrence Wilson, mount playing with Huddleston it's working Well We should have Brooks Wilson Lawrence working with Allen for Wales. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 8:04:23 GMT
I’ve been quite critical of him based on tonight, but that’s mostly because he was playing a similar role to Brooks and Bale who outshone him massively. He’s competing with Bale, Brooks, Ramsey, Wilson and Woodburn for 3 spots behind the striker. I think he’ll struggle to get in the starting line up in the future, luckily for him he’ll be guaranteed a start in Albania to put it right. I'm critical of him for Wales and derby, but he seems to come under more than he deserves especially at Derby. Like I have said many times he tries to do these runs instead of passing. At derby with Lawrence Wilson, mount playing with Huddleston it's working Well We should have Brooks Wilson Lawrence working with Allen for Wales. What do the derby fans think of Wilson, watching him week in week out? |
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Post by quetzal on Nov 17, 2018 8:18:05 GMT
I'm critical of him for Wales and derby, but he seems to come under more than he deserves especially at Derby. Like I have said many times he tries to do these runs instead of passing. At derby with Lawrence Wilson, mount playing with Huddleston it's working Well We should have Brooks Wilson Lawrence working with Allen for Wales. What do the derby fans think of Wilson, watching him week in week out? Wilson is the better player imo. Wilson got more vision for a pass or a shot. Lawrence a flat track bully in the Championship and when it comes off it’s explosive but found wanting at an higher level. Wilson could go on to player for Liverpool. Lawrence couldn’t. |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 17, 2018 8:18:20 GMT
I'm critical of him for Wales and derby, but he seems to come under more than he deserves especially at Derby. Like I have said many times he tries to do these runs instead of passing. At derby with Lawrence Wilson, mount playing with Huddleston it's working Well We should have Brooks Wilson Lawrence working with Allen for Wales. What do the derby fans think of Wilson, watching him week in week out? Big favourite and you can see why, against villa he was showing aggression and willing the team on and not happy with losing. Plus the goal of course, Different class. Mount Wilson Tom work well and we can only dream of keeping them. |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 17, 2018 11:54:56 GMT
I’ve been quite critical of him based on tonight, but that’s mostly because he was playing a similar role to Brooks and Bale who outshone him massively. He’s competing with Bale, Brooks, Ramsey, Wilson and Woodburn for 3 spots behind the striker. I think he’ll struggle to get in the starting line up in the future, luckily for him he’ll be guaranteed a start in Albania to put it right. I'm critical of him for Wales and derby, but he seems to come under more than he deserves especially at Derby. Like I have said many times he tries to do these runs instead of passing. At derby with Lawrence Wilson, mount playing with Huddleston it's working Well We should have Brooks Wilson Lawrence working with Allen for Wales. I want Lawrence to do well but he seems like a weak link at the minute. We’ve got 6 positions up for grabs in front of our defence, Allen, Ramsey, Bale and now Brooks have to be 4 of them. He’s competing with Ampadu, Smith, Wilson, Woodburn, Vokes and Roberts for 2 positions even without thinking of Thomas, James etc. I don’t think it’s looking good for him. We dropped the match winner against Ireland to keep Lawrence in the team and he didn’t take the chance. |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 17, 2018 12:20:20 GMT
I'm critical of him for Wales and derby, but he seems to come under more than he deserves especially at Derby. Like I have said many times he tries to do these runs instead of passing. At derby with Lawrence Wilson, mount playing with Huddleston it's working Well We should have Brooks Wilson Lawrence working with Allen for Wales. I want Lawrence to do well but he seems like a weak link at the minute. We’ve got 6 positions up for grabs in front of our defence, Allen, Ramsey, Bale and now Brooks have to be 4 of them. He’s competing with Ampadu, Smith, Wilson, Woodburn, Vokes and Roberts for 2 positions even without thinking of Thomas, James etc. I don’t think it’s looking good for him. We dropped the match winner against Ireland to keep Lawrence in the team and he didn’t take the chance. Agree, but Lawrence has to be a starter before Smith Roberts and woodburn in my opinion. Like to see him up front as experiment and Albania could be ideal. But choice Wilson and Lawrence... Wilson .. that's even with my derby eyes too, I want Lawrence to learn and improve especially at pride park as it will save me all trouble I get defending him 🤛👊🤜😉 |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 17, 2018 13:46:23 GMT
I want Lawrence to do well but he seems like a weak link at the minute. We’ve got 6 positions up for grabs in front of our defence, Allen, Ramsey, Bale and now Brooks have to be 4 of them. He’s competing with Ampadu, Smith, Wilson, Woodburn, Vokes and Roberts for 2 positions even without thinking of Thomas, James etc. I don’t think it’s looking good for him. We dropped the match winner against Ireland to keep Lawrence in the team and he didn’t take the chance. Agree, but Lawrence has to be a starter before Smith Roberts and woodburn in my opinion. Like to see him up front as experiment and Albania could be ideal. But choice Wilson and Lawrence... Wilson .. that's even with my derby eyes too, I want Lawrence to learn and improve especially at pride park as it will save me all trouble I get defending him 🤛👊🤜😉 I always liked Lawrence being up front. Thought he did well against Netherlands a few years back. Can see him doing a good job up there just depends if he’d have to be playing there week in and week out to be our main man. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 17, 2018 14:13:06 GMT
Lawrence is 24, will be 25 in January, not a youngster anymore and was abysmal last night. He either over ran the ball or stopped our attacks in their tracks by turning back inside or giving it back to Gunter
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 17, 2018 14:21:29 GMT
Lawrence is 24, will be 25 in January, not a youngster anymore and was abysmal last night. He either over ran the ball or stopped our attacks in their tracks by turning back inside or giving it back to Gunter Youngster to me lol But yes I agree with you on his running into a dead end no end product but abysmal, no. |
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Post by oberon on Nov 17, 2018 20:58:01 GMT
Lawrence was poor but he wasn`t the only one Ramsey had another ineffective game and I was getting very frustrated with the amount of times Bale was dropping deep he has to learn to trust in his team members and stay further up-field. My thoughts on Ramsey as I was leaving the ground was that he needs to be dropped but the young lad chatting to me made a very good point saying that he felt his best and most effective position is to play behind the striker . At the moment Smith looks to be the best partner for Joe A.
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Post by majorraglan on Nov 18, 2018 0:16:04 GMT
The set up was wrong which didn’t help, but I didn’t think he was at his best last night. With the ball he tried to do a bit too much and there were times he should have passed the ball, off the ball he found a few decent spaces, but the ball never came to him.
The 2 injuries to the Chester and Dummett cost Giggs the opportunity to make changes which could have turned the game.
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Post by pendragon on Nov 18, 2018 15:41:17 GMT
The set up was wrong which didn’t help, but I didn’t think he was at his best last night. With the ball he tried to do a bit too much and there were times he should have passed the ball, off the ball he found a few decent spaces, but the ball never came to him. The 2 injuries to the Chester and Dummett cost Giggs the opportunity to make changes which could have turned the game. Game changed for us when Dummett left the field imo. |
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Post by chislenko on Nov 18, 2018 22:20:06 GMT
The set up was wrong which didn’t help, but I didn’t think he was at his best last night. With the ball he tried to do a bit too much and there were times he should have passed the ball, off the ball he found a few decent spaces, but the ball never came to him. The 2 injuries to the Chester and Dummett cost Giggs the opportunity to make changes which could have turned the game. Game changed for us when Dummett left the field imo. Bet you never thought you would be typing that phrase!!! But for what it is worth I agree with you. |
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Post by alarch on Nov 18, 2018 22:31:25 GMT
I'm afraid I can't agree. We were getting exposed down the middle and on our defensive right in the first half before Dummett's departure. Yes, Gunter was upfield for the opening goal - but there was nothing wrong with that per se - the defensive mids should have covered his advance. Gunter had a decent game to be fair - preventing a probable Delaney goal and putting an excellent cross that I suspect Vokes would have buried - but Roberts headed tamely wide.
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Post by pendragon on Nov 18, 2018 22:49:00 GMT
I'm afraid I can't agree. We were getting exposed down the middle and on our defensive right in the first half before Dummett's departure. Yes, Gunter was upfield for the opening goal - but there was nothing wrong with that per se - the defensive mids should have covered his advance. Gunter had a decent game to be fair - preventing a probable Delaney goal and putting an excellent cross that I suspect Vokes would have buried - but Roberts headed tamely wide. I think that at that point, we were able to deal with the threats. Whether that would have remained the case, I'm not sure. I also think that our spell in possession and the opportunities we had to score during the first 30 minutes put them under some pressure and forced them on the counter-attack. |
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Post by manulike on Nov 18, 2018 23:04:11 GMT
I honestly do not understand the clamour to drop Lawrence (or Ramsey, for that matter).
Tom has been one of our most consistent players over the last 18 months.
With all due respect to his performances at Derby, it's when he wears the red of Wales, that I care about.
His game v Denmark was no worse than that of Ramsey or Ampadu.
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