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Post by kingstonred on Nov 19, 2018 9:10:36 GMT
I didn't think Lawrence was as bad as everyone is making out. I love that fact that even when it isn't coming off for him, he keeps going and driving at players, trying to take them on and make things happen! A poster above said "Lawrence is a flat track bully and when it comes off it’s explosive" - It didn't come off for him on Friday night, but wasn't for the lack of trying. I agree with manulike , he's been one of our best performers in the last 18 months! |
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Post by haruki on Nov 19, 2018 10:08:02 GMT
Lawrence has a bit of the Jason Koumas about him for me. Will rip apart the fodder of International football but will look poor against the better sides
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Post by alarch on Nov 19, 2018 10:51:57 GMT
Lawrence isn't bad - just limited. Against Denmark he was cutting inside - into traffic - pretty much without exception - which the Danes were well prepared for. I can't say I've noticed it before - but certainly against Denmark was very one-dimensional in his play. Had he tried to go on the outside on a few occasions he would have been one-on-one against Brentford player Dalsgaard - who he managed to get booked 6 minutes into the second half.
Lawrence will always be an asset off the bench - but there's a reason why he's no longer with a Premier League club and I don't think it's to do with raw ability. I think Tom's limitation is the lack of awareness and intelligence in his play. Given he's 24 I doubt that is something that will emerge in his game - it tends to be something you have (e.g. Brooks, Ampadu) or haven't got. I'd love him to prove me wrong though.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 19, 2018 11:03:48 GMT
Lawrence isn't bad - just limited. Against Denmark he was cutting inside - into traffic - pretty much without exception - which the Danes were well prepared for. I can't say I've noticed it before - but certainly against Denmark was very one-dimensional in his play. Had he tried to go on the outside on a few occasions he would have been one-on-one against Brentford player Dalsgaard - who he managed to get booked 6 minutes into the second half. Lawrence will always be an asset off the bench - but there's a reason why he's no longer with a Premier League club and I don't think it's to do with raw ability. I think Tom's limitation is the lack of awareness and intelligence in his play. Given he's 24 I doubt that is something that will emerge in his game - it tends to be something you have (e.g. Brooks, Ampadu) or haven't got. I'd love him to prove me wrong though. have to agree to a point, he still has alot to learn, but it either goes perfect or shit with tom, he can run at defence and score a great goal or into a dead end, but at 24 he will get better as he develops under frank. he is still here where Ben has come and gone(not disrespecting him). its not just at wales he gets same view from a few derby fans to. |
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Post by majorraglan on Nov 19, 2018 11:53:00 GMT
Lawrence isn't bad - just limited. Against Denmark he was cutting inside - into traffic - pretty much without exception - which the Danes were well prepared for. I can't say I've noticed it before - but certainly against Denmark was very one-dimensional in his play. Had he tried to go on the outside on a few occasions he would have been one-on-one against Brentford player Dalsgaard - who he managed to get booked 6 minutes into the second half. Lawrence will always be an asset off the bench - but there's a reason why he's no longer with a Premier League club and I don't think it's to do with raw ability. I think Tom's limitation is the lack of awareness and intelligence in his play. Given he's 24 I doubt that is something that will emerge in his game - it tends to be something you have (e.g. Brooks, Ampadu) or haven't got. I'd love him to prove me wrong though. He’s a tidy little player, but he could be so much better if he had that awareness. You are spent on re Friday night, watching the game it was apparent he was trying to cut inside and running in to numbers in a packed Danish defence, whereas he made no attempt to go outsid. I also noticed when he didn’t have the ball he pulled out wide towards the touch line and had cars of space, sadly nobody picked him up and the ball wasn’t passed to him. |
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Post by bigandydcfc on Nov 22, 2018 14:01:25 GMT
I'm critical of him for Wales and derby, but he seems to come under more than he deserves especially at Derby. Like I have said many times he tries to do these runs instead of passing. At derby with Lawrence Wilson, mount playing with Huddleston it's working Well We should have Brooks Wilson Lawrence working with Allen for Wales. What do the derby fans think of Wilson, watching him week in week out? Wilson is definitely the better player and gives 100% every time. Lawrence can drift away from the game and his last appearance against Villa was probably his worst performance in a Derby shirt. I always stick up for him (being a Welsh lad) but I couldn't after that performance |
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Post by welshiron on Nov 22, 2018 14:05:18 GMT
Runs up too many deaed ends for my liking.
Unless he learns when to pass he won't be a regular starter for wales
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 22, 2018 15:14:25 GMT
He's a decent finisher and can occasionally beat a player, that's about it
I don't understand the apparent clamour for him. Like welshiron said he runs up dead ends and doesn't know when to release the ball, watching him against Denmark was infuriating and it said it all that Gunter was the one delivering crosses from his weaker left foot, as Lawrence just wasn't doing it
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 22, 2018 15:27:10 GMT
What do the derby fans think of Wilson, watching him week in week out? Wilson is definitely the better player and gives 100% every time. Lawrence can drift away from the game and his last appearance against Villa was probably his worst performance in a Derby shirt. I always stick up for him (being a Welsh lad) but I couldn't after that performance frustrating at times, but like some one else said his attitude seems to rile up fans. i think he gets to much critizm of both sets of fans but when he scores winner on saturday he be fans favorite for a week. like andy says we might stick up for tom as he is a rams player ,maybe not as much if he wasnt.... fans are so fickle ... aint we |
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Post by manulike on Nov 22, 2018 22:29:47 GMT
Welcome to the forum bigandy.
I blame Robbie Savage for the torrent of Welsh lads in their 30s supporting the Rams :+)
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Post by alarch on Nov 22, 2018 23:23:56 GMT
To be fair Lawrence does put in a fair amount of work defensively, although he does seem to have a short fuse. Until Woodburn gets himself sorted out we may have to persevere with Lawrence for now, if we are to play Bale up front.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 23, 2018 3:17:33 GMT
To be fair Lawrence does put in a fair amount of work defensively, although he does seem to have a short fuse. Until Woodburn gets himself sorted out we may have to persevere with Lawrence for now, if we are to play Bale up front. Any one think think Ben starts before Tom is living in the starmans one goal fantasy. Come March Tom will be playing regular for a team about to be promoted with some spectacular goals thro the season. ... 😉👍 🤞🤞🤞🤞 |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 23, 2018 3:28:16 GMT
Welcome to the forum bigandy. I blame Robbie Savage for the torrent of Welsh lads in their 30s supporting the Rams :+) It's a long time since I seen the 30s. Terry Hennessey, rod Tomas , Alan Durban and Leighton James would be players of my start of the pain and despair as a derby fan. |
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Post by welshiron on Nov 23, 2018 8:33:03 GMT
Wouldn't start Lawrence or Woodburn if all fit and in current form.
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Post by manulike on Jan 5, 2019 16:26:57 GMT
Sounds like Tom is having a party ;-) An assist and a goal.
Welcome back!
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jan 6, 2019 7:40:16 GMT
Bit naughty with his celebration tho.
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Post by ontheroadagain on Jan 6, 2019 11:41:09 GMT
Bit naughty with his celebration tho. Why? |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jan 6, 2019 11:55:19 GMT
Bit naughty with his celebration tho. Why? |
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Post by manulike on Jan 6, 2019 12:43:40 GMT
Reading the tweets that were flying about in the first half, they were seriously on his back.
They never quite took to liking our Tom at County ;-(
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Post by CrackityJones on Jan 6, 2019 13:44:24 GMT
Haha nice one Tom. Belter of a goal and a classy assist as well, best way to shut them up.
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Post by ontheroadagain on Jan 7, 2019 1:57:34 GMT
Thank you  |
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Post by pendragon on Jan 9, 2019 22:13:05 GMT
There was a time when we were all saying that our players needed to stand up for themselves as they were "too nice". Not any more!  |
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Post by Albert on Jan 16, 2019 22:31:24 GMT
Don't understand these commentators, Lawrence's penalty wasn't a very good one and Keogh's was great . Mirror image penalties !!
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Post by manulike on Jan 16, 2019 22:36:56 GMT
Don't understand these commentators, Lawrence's penalty wasn't a very good one and Keogh's was great . Mirror image penalties !! Fair play to him for stepping up to take one. He really should have scored two in normal play and if he would have missed that penalty he would have been even less popular than he already is ...
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Post by Albert on Jan 16, 2019 22:44:14 GMT
Don't understand these commentators, Lawrence's penalty wasn't a very good one and Keogh's was great . Mirror image penalties !! Fair play to him for stepping up to take one. He really should have scored two in normal play and if he would have missed that penalty he would have been even less popular than he already is ...
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jan 17, 2019 5:40:33 GMT
The two player that get tho most shit of the boo boys came thro and scored. When the last penalty was there and Keogh walked up you could see all look in disbelief. You could see what it meant to them both and the team at the end.. Worth every euro going
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Post by richierich333 on Jan 17, 2019 7:19:18 GMT
Fair play to him for stepping up to take one. He really should have scored two in normal play and if he would have missed that penalty he would have been even less popular than he already is ...
Agreed but what was the matter with his penalty to make it " not very good " I guess it was a bit central and luckily the keeper had already dived the other way when he hit it. |
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Post by richierich333 on Jan 17, 2019 7:21:00 GMT
The two player that get tho most shit of the boo boys came thro and scored. When the last penalty was there and Keogh walked up you could see all look in disbelief. You could see what it meant to them both and the team at the end.. Worth every euro going Lawrence was good in the build up play but his finishing was miles off. That header which went over the bar was inexcusable for an international player. |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jan 17, 2019 8:45:20 GMT
The two player that get tho most shit of the boo boys came thro and scored. When the last penalty was there and Keogh walked up you could see all look in disbelief. You could see what it meant to them both and the team at the end.. Worth every euro going Lawrence was good in the build up play but his finishing was miles off. That header which went over the bar was inexcusable for an international player. 2 headers 🙈 |
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Post by manulike on Jan 17, 2019 20:45:42 GMT
Lawrence was good in the build up play but his finishing was miles off. That header which went over the bar was inexcusable for an international player. 2 headers 🙈 That's all well enough, but at the end of the day neither Harry nor Tom are centre forwards. They each put themselves in great positions and had 3 great opportunists a piece - which is remarkable.
The magic wand is with Harry at the moment, though ;-)
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