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Post by llannerch on Aug 28, 2012 19:56:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2012 21:19:33 GMT
The tackle on 2'26 is top top class I wonder if that lad could comp together Allen's highlights against Bosnia? Not that I'm bitter, of course ;D |
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Post by alarch on Sept 3, 2012 13:41:09 GMT
The appointment of Ramsey as captain was probably Speed's biggest error of judgement as manager. At the time I argued that we should have persisted with an interim captain until Allen was ready. That time has now arrived.
Allen's credentials are impecable. He's very self-assured, without being cocky, articulate and most importantly of all plays in the ideal position for a captain - deep-lying midfield. None of these apply to Ramsey - and it was a poor move to appoint him captain when he was trying to re-establish himself after that horrendous injury. Allen also does so much to define the style of play for Swansea, and now Liverpool. I believe he can do the same for Wales - and I'd be surprised if the captaincy would burden him.
People may wish to refer to our decent record after Ramsey's appointment as captain. But this is more coincidental in my opinion , as Ramsey's personal form has been a bit mixed. To have Ramsey as captain can only be justified if his performances are of such quality that one can overlook his diffident personality. That has not been the case - and with him only starting from the bench for Arsenal, he needs to concentrate on getting back to his best, and forget about the responsibilities of captaining his country, for now at least.
I rate Ramsey very highly, and I have little doubt that he will return to his best in the future, but now, at the start of a new campaign is the time to appoint the best man for the job of captain - and that person without a doubt is Allen.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Sept 3, 2012 13:42:51 GMT
Change our captain 4 days before we kick off our world cup campaign?? You sure mate?
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Post by muaythai on Sept 3, 2012 13:47:00 GMT
Ramsey shouldnt be Captain, he isnt the Character for it .SIMPLES
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Post by abwales on Sept 3, 2012 13:50:16 GMT
Who cares who the captain is? At the end of the day the characters in the dressing room will make themselves heard if they're captain or not. Too much is made of it in my opinion.
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Post by muaythai on Sept 3, 2012 14:09:29 GMT
Na thats nonsense some people can make all the difference as Captain.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Sept 3, 2012 14:12:34 GMT
Up until his drastic loss of form he was doing a good job of captaining our side, can certainly see why speed chose him as captain.
Changing it 4 days before we start our qualifiers surely wouldn't be the best idea
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Post by idiot on Sept 3, 2012 14:13:34 GMT
Who cares who the captain is? At the end of the day the characters in the dressing room will make themselves heard if they're captain or not. Too much is made of it in my opinion. yeah i tend to go with this,take england for example,john terry doesnt become any less of a leader now he hasnt go the armband |
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Post by alarch on Sept 3, 2012 14:30:25 GMT
I beg to differ. A good captain can be the personification of the manager on the pitch. Too often we've looked rudderless - and it's too easy to put all the blame on the manager. Our success under Mike Smith owed a lot to Yorath's role as captain in my opinion. A player of limited ability who inspired those around him by his dedication to the cause.
Even if you're right that the choice of captain isn't that important it's still worth making the best selection available and Allen is a better choice that Ramsey. Or do you disagree with that?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 14:42:06 GMT
Who cares who the captain is? At the end of the day the characters in the dressing room will make themselves heard if they're captain or not. Too much is made of it in my opinion. Agreed. The likes of Myhill, Ashley Williams, Blake, Collins, Gunter, Ramsey, Allen, Bale etc [unless any of them withdraw before] need to make themselves heard Friday before the match - even if there not playing - to give the players around them a lift. Then take it on to the pitch with them. Aside from Myhill, Bellamy and Taylor, there seemed to be complete silence from allthe other players against Bosnia, none of the others daring to be vocal! |
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Post by muaythai on Sept 3, 2012 14:44:15 GMT
I personally think Bale should be made captain, his ego is more than ample and hes good enough to be able to say what he likes if players arnt pulling their weight!
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Post by stu on Sept 3, 2012 16:30:52 GMT
The debate as to who the captain is is a very English topic, most foreigners couldn't give a toss and neither should we.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 18:08:53 GMT
The debate as to who the captain is is a very English topic, most foreigners couldn't give a toss and neither should we. Most foreigners can be trusted to give their all on the pitch. Our bunch of fairies need a Yorath/Keane character to grab them by the bollocks and constantly remind them what playing for your country means judging by the aloofness in their body language all the time. They make international football look worse than a trip to the dentist. For that reason I think having an inspiring captain is actually a very important part of the jigsaw for us. |
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Post by alarch on Sept 3, 2012 18:46:36 GMT
The other aspect of this is what the impact of the captaincy is on the player with the armband. Does he raise his game, or does the pressure have an adverse impact. I think the latter has been the case with Ramsey. I think he tries too hard to play the Hollywood ball, rather than helping retain possession and working the opportunity. When he first burst on the scene, this was his main virtue. His quarter-final appearance for Cardiff against Middlesborough is a perfect example - where his retention of possession was a cornerstone of Cardiff's victory. I think relieving Ramsey of the captaincy will be a weight off his shoulders and allow him to play a more natural game. I don't see Allen being burdened in the same way - especially as his role doesn't require him to do anything magical with the ball in any event.
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 3, 2012 20:24:07 GMT
I wrote on here after the Norway game that the captaincy was beginning to really suit Ramsey. I imagine that Speeds death has really knocked him for six. I mean, put yourself in his shoes- you are 20 years old and the man who made you captain of your country has just killed himself...
...I'm guesing that he just needs a bit of time before he looks like a proper captain again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 17:56:56 GMT
Allen out of Scotland game......yet comes on against Spurs. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21735764Not sure what to make of that, are they milking the use out of him while carrying an injury and then sending him off for an op as soon as the international break kicks in? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 18:32:33 GMT
where does it say he is out?
surely it can wait until after the qualifiers? or is it a case of "it's only wales joe and you can't qualify and nobody gives a shit so you'll just have to miss it".........'"yes boss"
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Post by abwales on Mar 10, 2013 18:34:19 GMT
He will miss the Liverpool game before the international break in all fairness. Its a blow, a bigger blow than Matthews, but not the end of the World.
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Post by welshiron on Mar 10, 2013 18:41:11 GMT
Two down, how many more to follow.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 18:41:37 GMT
where does it say he is out? surely it can wait until after the qualifiers? or is it a case of "it's only wales joe and you can't qualify and nobody gives a shit so you'll just have to miss it".........'"yes boss" Come on, hes out if he needs an operation- unless you think Liverpool will send him for the op now and try and rush him back for Wales game? Its awaiting confirmation that we all know is going to come. Its a big blow, Allen is not exactly setting the world alight at Liverpool but who can come in and pick a pass like the one that put Bale in against Austria? Williams perhaps, but we are in trouble if we are relying on a debutant to give us the edge. Getting really fed up with the persistant injuries to key players every time a qualifier rolls round. |
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Post by welshiron on Mar 10, 2013 18:58:36 GMT
team could be
Myhill
Ricketts
Davies
Williams
Collins
Vaughan
Ledley
Collison
Ramsey
Bale
Bellamy
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Post by yanto on Mar 10, 2013 19:09:14 GMT
team could be Myhill Ricketts Davies Williams Collins Vaughan Ledley Collison Ramsey Bale Bellamy and i would be very happy with that. We are blessed with midfielders so its not as big a blow IMO. But has it actually be confirmed hes out? |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Mar 10, 2013 19:12:36 GMT
Myhill
Ricketts Collins Williams Davies
Collison Ramsey Joniesta
Bale Vokes Bellamy
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 19:27:59 GMT
team could be Myhill Ricketts Davies Williams Collins Vaughan Ledley Collison Ramsey Bale Bellamy and i would be very happy with that. We are blessed with midfielders so its not as big a blow IMO. But has it actually be confirmed hes out? Its not officially confirmed- but seriously, he needs an operation and its Liverpools call when he has it, he is sure to need some recovery time and its two weeks til the match. Do the maths- hes out. |
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Post by alarch on Mar 10, 2013 22:03:52 GMT
I can't believe that people don't think this is a big blow. After Bale and Williams Allen is our most important player right now. The only one who is suited to a defensive mid role. This should advance Joniesta's chances of a call-up, because one of his many qualities is his tackling back. Whichever way you look at it, this is a massive blow.
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Post by abwales on Mar 10, 2013 22:36:42 GMT
I retract my Allen not being that much of a blow comment. Anyway...... with Allen out... my new starting 11.
Myhill
Davies
Williams
Collins
Ricketts
Robson Kanu
Williams
Vaughan
Bellamy
Bale
Morison
This team would be delightful!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 22:55:04 GMT
I retract my Allen not being that much of a blow comment. Anyway...... with Allen out... my new starting 11. Myhill Davies Williams Collins Ricketts Robson Kanu Williams Vaughan Bellamy Bale Morison This team would be delightful!!! No Aaron Ramsey, seriously? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 22:58:21 GMT
I can't believe that people don't think this is a big blow. After Bale and Williams Allen is our most important player right now. The only one who is suited to a defensive mid role. This should advance Joniesta's chances of a call-up, because one of his many qualities is his tackling back. Whichever way you look at it, this is a massive blow. Exactly what I thought! huge blow. You're right Jon Williams was brilliant on the weekend against Leeds United and made 5 or 6 superb tackles really got stuck in, he is special! Maybe Vaughan or Crofts in before him though? But it would definitely be a pleasant surprise if Cookie started him!! My team would be: Myhill Ricketts Nyatanga Williams Davies Ramsey Crofts Collison Bale Morison Bellamy (williams on for him) P.S - This is Preseli school's fault! Idiots had him playing egg-chasing (not sure how swansea city aloud this at the time) and he injured his shoulder there, he's had an operation on it before quite early in his professional career. Mind you it might be a different injury to the shoulder. |
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Post by abwales on Mar 10, 2013 23:11:33 GMT
I retract my Allen not being that much of a blow comment. Anyway...... with Allen out... my new starting 11. Myhill Davies Williams Collins Ricketts Robson Kanu Williams Vaughan Bellamy Bale Morison This team would be delightful!!! No Aaron Ramsey, seriously? Yes. My formation doesn't have room for an ACM, and includes 2 midfielders who sit in front of the back 4, which I believe, he isn't any better at than Vaughan or Williams. I suppose he could play on the left or right, but I'd prefer the pace of Robson Kanu and Bellamy on the wings and Ramsey has zero pace. They'll also provide natural width, which is important and is something Ramsey wouldn't provide. He is also in a run of bad form which has, barring a month or two, been going on for the last few years since the injury and I feel he does not warrant a guaranteed spot in the 11. We should play a high line, which is something which would be good against a Scottish team that includes chubby players with very little pace. Their strikers aren't ones to run in behind. Finally, Chris, If you're reading this, I don't mind you stealing this formation, but once we qualify for a major competition - give me some credit. |
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