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Post by melynwy on Oct 4, 2024 20:20:43 GMT
That's unfair on Bellamy re. the Turkey match. In all but scoreline we hammered them and created plenty of chances to win comfortably. If good chances are being created then changing the system is madness. Getting better finishes from already great chances is not related to changing the system, and that was the issue against Turkey. When chances are not being created, I agree, the system is open to be changed, but the system in that match worked extremely well. We missed an open goal, Ramsey had an uncharacteristic total miscue, had plenty of other good-to-great chances and kept a clean sheet. Can't ask for more than that from any system really - the rest is down to players delivering with the final shot with split-second decisions, and that's beyond "the system". Like the Poland match I would say, lovely little flick ons, nice play, we deserved the win, chances created. Goal ruled out but we just couldn’t win the game in 90. Bellamy started with a new system and we looked good but again we couldn’t kill it off. I would like to see how he changes his game plan when we need to win or we go down a goal. Absolutely agree that he will need to change systems within matches in the future - he has allided to this himself - but he didn’t need to against Turkey, he did his job as well as possible. It was more than flick-ons and “nice” play- it was the best footballing performance by Wales in years, and 3-0 would not have flattered us. From what I remember he did change things during the Montenegro match as it became clear that any decent football was impossible given the condition. So far, for me, Bellamy has been extremely good. |
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Post by dragon64 on Oct 5, 2024 5:51:57 GMT
Like the Poland match I would say, lovely little flick ons, nice play, we deserved the win, chances created. Goal ruled out but we just couldn’t win the game in 90. Bellamy started with a new system and we looked good but again we couldn’t kill it off. I would like to see how he changes his game plan when we need to win or we go down a goal. Absolutely agree that he will need to change systems within matches in the future - he has allided to this himself - but he didn’t need to against Turkey, he did his job as well as possible. It was more than flick-ons and “nice” play- it was the best footballing performance by Wales in years, and 3-0 would not have flattered us. From what I remember he did change things during the Montenegro match as it became clear that any decent football was impossible given the condition. So far, for me, Bellamy has been extremely good. yes totally agree, regards Turkey the worst thing to happen was them going down to 10, they closed up shop |
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Post by kracken88 on Oct 5, 2024 18:44:30 GMT
I remember someone posted a link on here from a Turkish journalist saying he couldn't remember when turkey were under such pressure,he seems quite shocked,but then in the end they came away with a point which was a victory for them,if Bellamy could turn those moments in a game into three points that would be amazing,and that was the major gripe for me with page,he could never effect a game fit the better when we really needed it,or more to the point when the opposition manager changed it and showed footballing knowledge
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Post by highbury06 on Oct 6, 2024 2:49:42 GMT
we only had to play less than 10 mins with 10 men. We would have held on for a draw if we didnt go all attack down 1 man. Instead, we still kicked long balls to their half and eventually conceded We all see things differently, but I'll stick to my belief that having one of our most experienced players sent off late on in a tiring match when we were already struggling to hold it together was a likely tipping point that made us much more likely to lose. And even if you don't buy that, surely it's a fair point that the England game would have just been like a knockout match had we drawn against Iran? No team that has qualified for the World Cup goes into a knockout match thinking it's over before it's started. the way we played down a man, it was obvious that we were going for a win rather than settling for a draw, knowing that it was very difficult to defeat england. We were down a man, it was 9x’ yet we had 4-5 players in the front half, and eventually we were undone by a counter attack. And it was not like a knockout match— if it’s a knockout match we can possibly make it 0:0 and resort to the shootout. If we got 2 points out of the first 6, we still need to beat England in 90 minutes. With a tired Bale and Rambo who didnt have the stamina of 270 mins in a week, an out of form Allen, there was no way we could do that. The only regret was not giving BJ much game time. |
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Post by hooky on Oct 6, 2024 10:20:39 GMT
I love Joe but it seems a bit pointless bringing him back
He is 35 in March, is nowhere near the Swansea first team and has hardly had more than a few minutes of game time. Wales probably looks like a means to get him in the shop window for a final contract somewhere, which he will probably be unlikely to get
His key attribute was his engine, his decision making and being able to keep possession in tight areas. His engine is stalling, he started regularly getting injuries in recent years and you need to be playing regularly and get into a rhythm to be effective in his role.
We could have done with him at the start of the last campaign but his day has come and gone. Experience is no good unless you can still be effective on the pitch
Hope he proves me wrong and I could maybe understand it as a temporary decision to cover Ampadu's absence but not sure it is going to work. Its a shame Crew is not ready or that someone like Levitt or Savage have not progressed much
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 9, 2024 21:03:11 GMT
I love Joe but it seems a bit pointless bringing him back He is 35 in March, is nowhere near the Swansea first team and has hardly had more than a few minutes of game time. Wales probably looks like a means to get him in the shop window for a final contract somewhere, which he will probably be unlikely to get His key attribute was his engine, his decision making and being able to keep possession in tight areas. His engine is stalling, he started regularly getting injuries in recent years and you need to be playing regularly and get into a rhythm to be effective in his role. We could have done with him at the start of the last campaign but his day has come and gone. Experience is no good unless you can still be effective on the pitch Hope he proves me wrong and I could maybe understand it as a temporary decision to cover Ampadu's absence but not sure it is going to work. Its a shame Crew is not ready or that someone like Levitt or Savage have not progressed much You've said it here, this is a key aspect of what Bellamy asks his midfielders to do. Either bring on Allen for the last 20 mins to do this job or ask the likes of Charlie Savage to do it. I think Allen is a much safer bet. Ergo - it's not a pointless recall |
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Post by trippinbillie on Oct 15, 2024 9:01:48 GMT
Last night in his 30min display he showed exactly what we've missed sadly, the way he broke up the Montenegro attack on the front foot, short little passes, he brought a leaders performance when we needed it, although it's debatable whether he can give a 90 minute performance these days are for another day, he was exactly what we needed last night in the absence of JJ and Ampadu, credit to Bellamy for bringing him back into the team
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Post by garynysmon on Oct 15, 2024 13:51:42 GMT
Last night in his 30min display he showed exactly what we've missed sadly, the way he broke up the Montenegro attack on the front foot, short little passes, he brought a leaders performance when we needed it, although it's debatable whether he can give a 90 minute performance these days are for another day, he was exactly what we needed last night in the absence of JJ and Ampadu, credit to Bellamy for bringing him back into the team Couldn't agree more. What an option to bring on, and I doubt that Bellamy would take the piss in terms of pushing him too much either. The pace of international football is much more forgiving than the Championship if you're getting on a bit and/or getting injury prone. |
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Post by underwood on Oct 15, 2024 14:04:15 GMT
My god we’ve missed him.
His cameo last night was a joy to watch & whereas it will unlikely grab any headlines, it went a long way in enabling us to see the game out as we were wobbling before he came on.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Oct 15, 2024 14:58:54 GMT
Nice little cameo Joe, welcome back.
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Post by dai on Oct 16, 2024 8:12:47 GMT
Not going to lie, had a little tear in my eye seeing him come on. He's had an awful time with injuries as well, so to see him back in a Welsh shirt was quite moving. Interesting he said that he was 'easily convinced' to come back. Does make you wonder how poorly Page handled the situation or what was said.  x.com/BBCSportWales/status/1846124809790316935 |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 18, 2024 18:31:47 GMT
It would have been a shame if Qatar was the last we saw of him. Hopefully he has the opportunity to write a more successful final chapter
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Post by manulike on Nov 2, 2024 12:05:56 GMT
Joe starting today! Massive boost for the Turkey game ;-)
PS Sadly, Cooper no longer an option until 2025 AND Joe only got 55 minutes. Very worrying ;-(
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 2, 2024 21:28:33 GMT
Joe starting today! Massive boost for the Turkey game ;-)
PS Sadly, Cooper no longer an option until 2025 AND Joe only got 55 minutes. Very worrying ;-(
Joe was never going to last a whole game, but is making steady progress in terms of minutes. |
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Post by abercymru on Nov 2, 2024 22:36:32 GMT
Joe starting today! Massive boost for the Turkey game ;-)
PS Sadly, Cooper no longer an option until 2025 AND Joe only got 55 minutes. Very worrying ;-(
Joe was never going to last a whole game, but is making steady progress in terms of minutes. Have his minutes been restricted by fitness? He came back from injury over two months ago, so I'd presumed it was form based (or Williams sees other players ahead of him). I think today was the first time he's done over 25 minutes. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 2, 2024 22:40:29 GMT
Injury incoming then…
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Post by dai on Nov 21, 2024 17:16:21 GMT
Looked be really enjoying himself on the pitch Tuesday night.
I will say it again, bloody lovely to see him back in a Welsh shirt.
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Post by morg on Nov 21, 2024 17:24:36 GMT
Looked be really enjoying himself on the pitch Tuesday night. I will say it again, bloody lovely to see him back in a Welsh shirt. Same here. One stray pass aside, thought he was a real asset when he came on. Just looks so assured. Looks in good shape too. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 21, 2024 19:25:37 GMT
Great to have as an option off the bench to help us see out games. Hopefully he starts some games here and there too
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