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Post by dayoo87 on Jun 29, 2015 12:28:23 GMT
Isn't it possible that he could feel fairly equally Welsh and English? It's not something I necessarily agree with, but where someone has a very 'mixed' family tree (Ethan also has at least some Irish and Ghanaian in him) and has lived in more than one country then the pull for one particular nationality over another may not be as strong as the pull we all have towards Wales. I think that’s correct In football terms my kids are qualified to play for Wales, Nigeria and England (my order of preference there) Ask them which they are or which they feel the most and it could be all, one or none of them on any given day – they are pretty comfortable with that too which is the most important thing I think Exactly, it's clearly going to vary from person to person. Some people will find it difficult to plump for one of potentially several nations when they are still in their teens, and may be swayed by the one they perceive as offering the best chance of game time or tournament qualification...others will never play for anyone else even if the one nation they identify with doesn't want them. |
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Post by toshfan on Jun 29, 2015 13:49:31 GMT
Isn't it possible that he could feel fairly equally Welsh and English? It's not something I necessarily agree with, but where someone has a very 'mixed' family tree (Ethan also has at least some Irish and Ghanaian in him) and has lived in more than one country then the pull for one particular nationality over another may not be as strong as the pull we all have towards Wales. You make a fair point in that I agree that identity is an individual thing and I see no problem with someone feeling an affinity for various parts of their background from the land of their fathers, mothers to where they were born. But I do not like the idea of a footballer wearing shirts from two nations in the way that this player has. |
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Post by toshfan on Jun 29, 2015 14:00:03 GMT
I think that’s correct In football terms my kids are qualified to play for Wales, Nigeria and England (my order of preference there) Ask them which they are or which they feel the most and it could be all, one or none of them on any given day – they are pretty comfortable with that too which is the most important thing I think Yes, this is an individual thing and I really do relate to what you are saying as my children qualify for Wales, England, Jamaica & the Cayman Islands (only the Welsh bit in order  ). They have spent all of their lives in England thus far and their visits to Cayman means a great deal to them. Yes, I think strong affinities to more than one nation is perfectly normal but were one of my kids to be a decent footballer, I would give them a hard time if they were wearing shirts from both nations (within the context we are talking about). There will be elements to what I think is acceptable that others do not e.g. were my kids to choose Wales but there were subsequently not deemed good enough I would be perfectly ok with them representing the Cayman Islands. |
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Post by quetzal on Jun 29, 2015 15:23:39 GMT
Isn't he really English though? I don't give a toss about the Anglos tbh I probably didn´t explain myself there. What i mean is that if a kid choses England over Wales because he´s actually English then i don´t have a problem. My children are born and are being raised in Guatemala but they´re also proud to be Welsh. At the same time Ethan is 15 and i´d like him to make a decisión before the U17´s otherwise its not fair on anyone |
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Post by welwyn on Jun 29, 2015 15:33:07 GMT
The one thing I would say is that were I to be related to the kid, I would be strongly advise him to post pictures on social media that send those sort of mixed messages.
If he does become good enough to represent either at senior level, someone would drag the appropriate one to as a millstone to hang him with.
I understand he may not want to commit one way or another right now and that is fine, but if so, avoid posting either.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 19:05:47 GMT
Same here, heritage seems to be given a lot of disrespect in certain quarters on here and in life in general. I honestly dont understand the significance of place of birth, apart from an easy way for governments to pigeon hole you to a definitive place of origin. You can be born in a country and yet have the blood of another running through your veins- I know what is more significant to me out of those two possibilities. I like the David Beckham example, one of his sons was born in Spain- who would you expect him to play f www.google.at/search?hl=en-GB&redir_esc=&client=ms-android-h3g-at&source=android-browser-type&v=133247963&qsubts=1434895852328&q=apostle+welsh+football&v=133247963 or internationally? No doubt if he did play for England he would still get remarks from some supporters to the effect of the Spanish equivalent of 'Anglo'. That term really annoys me as it effectively divides our players into two groups. 'Together Stronger' my ass. but... The thing is you never seem to acknowledge is that it can work the other way too eg.. Neil taylor - born in north wales to non-welsh parents, just like myself. no doubt he feels proudly welsh...but you seem to be suggesting he should be playing for england or india? He has the choice, they are both legitimate routes of qualification and it is down to him as to what he feels the strongest affinity with . Although imo heritage is a stronger tie than birthplace- yet I find myself constantly having to defend why I call myself Welsh not only to braindead English people but braindead Welsh people too who always seem to respond 'but you were born in England' as if that is the be all and end all. It really gets on my goat, quite frankly. |
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Post by flynnfan on Jun 29, 2015 21:56:33 GMT
but... The thing is you never seem to acknowledge is that it can work the other way too eg.. Neil taylor - born in north wales to non-welsh parents, just like myself. no doubt he feels proudly welsh...but you seem to be suggesting he should be playing for england or india? He has the choice, they are both legitimate routes of qualification and it is down to him as to what he feels the strongest affinity with . Although imo heritage is a stronger tie than birthplace- yet I find myself constantly having to defend why I call myself Welsh not only to braindead English people but braindead Welsh people too who always seem to respond 'but you were born in England' as if that is the be all and end all. It really gets on my goat, quite frankly. But i get that too! How can you call yrself welsh when yr parents are english? etc.. heritage doesnt seem to be much of a considerstion for ppl like dave jones, emlyn hughes etc... Give me a neil taylor those guys every day of the week. Surely there are no absolutes here? Can you accept that? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 9:28:14 GMT
He has the choice, they are both legitimate routes of qualification and it is down to him as to what he feels the strongest affinity with . Although imo heritage is a stronger tie than birthplace- yet I find myself constantly having to defend why I call myself Welsh not only to braindead English people but braindead Welsh people too who always seem to respond 'but you were born in England' as if that is the be all and end all. It really gets on my goat, quite frankly. But i get that too! How can you call yrself welsh when yr parents are english? etc.. heritage doesnt seem to be much of a considerstion for ppl like dave jones, emlyn hughes etc... Give me a neil taylor those guys every day of the week. Surely there are no absolutes here? Can you accept that? But thats what I have been trying to say- there are numerous routes to qualification, in my opinion heritage is the strongest, but thats not to say that birthplace is not totally legitimate. Its the morons who are dealing in absolutes. For them having the blood of Welsh ancestors in my veins is not good enough, for them its all about whawat country my mother was in on a certain day in a certain year. I nearly got into a fight in a club in Cardiff the night before I flew to Russia to support Wales when a guy heard my accent and tried to tale a swing because he judged from.my accent that I wasnt Welsh. Even after explaining that the entirety of my dad's family is from and still live in Llannelli the mug still wanted to have a pop. So yeah all I want is for heritage to be seen as the legitimate route that it is. |
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Post by flynnfan on Jun 30, 2015 13:31:50 GMT
'all I want is for heritage to be seen as the legitimate route that it is'
- of course it is. No argument from me there whatsoever.
But when you say:
'heritage is the strongest... (route to qualification)'
...then that to me sounds like an absolute and something I disagree with. If it feels like the most important factor for you PERSONALLY then fine, I 100% accept that. But for me (and others) it isn't. My parents are from the north west of England but I feel nothing for the England football team. Absolutely nothing whatsoever. My heroes growing up were the likes of Mark Hughes and Ian Rush because I grew up in roughly the same area as them (within 30 miles of where both were from) whereas England's biggest stars (Robson, Linekar, Hoddle etc)were from places I'd never even heard of, let alone been.
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Post by ae15 on Jun 30, 2015 14:35:50 GMT
There's this Kyle Edmund playing tennis for GB who was born in Johannesburg but has lived in Yorkshire since he was three. I'm not sure of the nationality of his parents but in my opinion if they are British then he should definitely be British. His talent has been nurtured by the British, not the South Africans, so he should play for Britain. This may be a very similar situation in terms of birthplace qualification in terms of football players as well.
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Post by robin1864 on Jun 30, 2015 16:37:13 GMT
Reaction is always the same on here, but I do think we should consider giving less game-time to Anglos.
Why should we risk developing players who could potentially switch to England for the sake of a fucking Victory Milk Cup Shield, wasting all our efforts and keeping someone willing to give full commitment out of the frame?
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Post by ystradwales on Aug 3, 2015 7:13:43 GMT
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Post by georgetm1 on Aug 3, 2015 17:44:48 GMT
From the couple of games I saw in the Victory Shield, he always started on the bench anyway.
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Post by ystradwales on Aug 10, 2015 20:44:48 GMT
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Post by quetzal on Aug 10, 2015 20:57:03 GMT
Ffs!!! He's playing the system big time!!!!
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Post by biwmares on Aug 10, 2015 21:24:27 GMT
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Post by ae15 on Aug 10, 2015 21:55:54 GMT
The son of Ash Taylor? You hear of young fathers nowadays but as Ash Taylor is 24, 10 is a pretty young age to give birth!  |
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Post by biwmares on Aug 11, 2015 15:24:17 GMT
The son of Ash Taylor? You hear of young fathers nowadays but as Ash Taylor is 24, 10 is a pretty young age to give birth!  |
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Post by ystradwales on Aug 17, 2015 16:59:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 17:53:50 GMT
These rumours are usually hype with kids this young, but I believe this story. At least that clubs in the tops two divisions would be looking at Ethan. The Wales team he has captained has a lot of players at big academies and he's looked just as good in the 5 or so games I've seen him play. I don't know much about Exeter but I'd assume Ampadu is there because his old man was a player there once. They would be up for compensation too perhaps?
I was encouraged by this quote too "...Despite being involved in England camps and Ghana, the country of his father's birth, monitoring the situation, his club have confirmed he has now decided to commit his long-term future to Wales."
Anyway, I shouldn't hype too much as he's still a kid. Good luck to him.
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Post by biwmares on Apr 5, 2016 20:11:53 GMT
He must be qualified for the Republic of Ireland as well if his dad played for them?
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Post by Tim P on Apr 5, 2016 21:28:44 GMT
He must be qualified for the Republic of Ireland as well if his dad played for them? Unless his dad qualified via his grandparents? |
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Post by bracklablue72 on Aug 9, 2016 19:58:09 GMT
Starts for Exeter tonight age 15 yrs 10 months...pretty sure he's on Wales radar? Can anyone confirm?
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Post by gaz on Aug 9, 2016 20:07:49 GMT
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Post by bracklablue72 on Aug 9, 2016 20:15:52 GMT
Cheers gaz, let's hope he continues his development...looks like he's got the potential |
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Post by gaz on Aug 9, 2016 20:21:45 GMT
No worries definitely seems one to keep an eye on
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Post by llannerch on Aug 9, 2016 20:37:55 GMT
Starts for Exeter tonight age 15 yrs 10 months...pretty sure he's on Wales radar? Can anyone confirm? Ampadu and Tyler Roberts were training with the full squad in the days running up to the Sweden friendly |
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Post by biwmares on Aug 10, 2016 7:23:53 GMT
Did very well & highly rated according to the Exeter fans forum. "This is my 50th season watching City and I've been lucky to watch some fantastic young players make their debuts in that time. Nicky Marker and Buster Phillips were both 16 I think and they were both brilliant, but tonight Ethan was a class above the pair of them. Absolutely stunning and fully deserved to be Man of the Match. He made at least 5 fantastic tackles in and around the box, 2 of them when he was the last man, but time after time he cut the ball out and nonchalantly played it to a team mate with ease. I'm sure he won't keep his place on Saturday though and Woodman will be back!" www.exeweb.com/forums/showthread.php?55027-Ethan-Ampadu/page36 |
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