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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 24, 2017 20:39:46 GMT
Rabbi Matondo and Lee Evans were on the scoresheet tonight in the EFL trophy.
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Post by iot on Oct 24, 2017 21:17:26 GMT
Rabbi Matondo and Lee Evans were on the scoresheet tonight in the EFL trophy. But Matondo plays for man city and wasnt in their squad? |
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 24, 2017 21:38:24 GMT
Rabbi Matondo and Lee Evans were on the scoresheet tonight in the EFL trophy. But Matondo plays for man city and wasnt in their squad? He was playing for Man City academy side in the EFL trophy, not cup. Checkatrade not Carabao. They lost. |
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Post by ystradwales on Oct 24, 2017 21:56:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 20:35:37 GMT
New skills compilation of Rabbi at Man City. Interesting that he seems to be dominantly deployed on the right. He was mostly on the left at Cardiff. "the new Shaun Wright Phillips" apparently???
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Post by fiveattheback on Apr 15, 2018 21:36:07 GMT
Some really nice skills in there and seems to know when to release the ball, which isn't always true of young players. Reminds me a bit of Zaha, fast, strong and direct
However it is a worry if these attitude problems are true, in my (admittedly limited) experience of coaching, attitude trumps skill 9 times out of 10
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 9:40:33 GMT
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Post by manulike on Jun 4, 2018 22:34:47 GMT
Looked lightening fast yesterday coming on after 60 minutes v Georgia U21, on the left wing. Benny Woodburn take note ;-)
If there is one criticism that I can levy at him, is that he does appear to over complicate things and seemed to fail to release the ball in time. Again, it was only 30 minutes.
Will look forward to seeing him perhaps starting on Wednesday
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Post by alarch on Sept 29, 2018 22:14:53 GMT
Scored a hat-trick in a 4-1 win for Man City U23s against a very young Swansea team today. Aaron Lewis scored for Swansea.
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Post by zenith on Sept 30, 2018 0:18:24 GMT
Scored a hat-trick in a 4-1 win for Man City U23s against a very young Swansea team today. Aaron Lewis scored for Swansea. Nice to know but I don't think it means anything at that level, unfortunately. Would think he could do a job on loan in League One in January. |
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Post by welshiron on Sept 30, 2018 9:50:58 GMT
He is a young man playing for a top class u23s so he is a very good prospect. Has pace to burn which is a massive plus.
Think he has a very good chance of making it
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Post by alarch on Sept 30, 2018 18:59:26 GMT
Any player deemed good enough for Man City U23s must have a good chance of making it.
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Post by welshiron on Oct 1, 2018 7:03:45 GMT
Could even be used as an impact sub in the upcoming games.
Electric pace against tiring legs always a good thing
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 1, 2018 8:33:45 GMT
Could even be used as an impact sub in the upcoming games. Electric pace against tiring legs always a good thing I was thinking about this the other day. I think in another era of Welsh football he could be picked for the squad, however, at the moment it's just so competitive that it will be difficult to justify picking a player who hasn't played any senior football over players playing at Championship level. That being said, he performed really well against Portugal apparently, and he's obviously having a good spell at Man City too. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Giggs would go for him based on this. A 10 minute cameo would certainly be interesting to watch, with him running at tired defenders. Any longer than that would likely expose his deficiencies to the Senior game. Also similarly to Tyler Roberts, giving him a cameo could boost his standing within the club, and maybe lead to a loan move in the near future. |
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Post by pendragon on Oct 1, 2018 10:42:51 GMT
Could be a good move to bring him in as an impact sub against Spain to see how he gets on.
If all goes well, might make a very good impact sub against Ireland and Denmark.
I'd imagine he might be another one that Giggs may want capped.
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Post by iot on Oct 1, 2018 13:03:52 GMT
Yes, a short cameo against Ireland would tie him down too - Giggs mentioned when he joined that he was in conversation with a dual qualified player who was tempted to switch allegiance, I'm guessing he was talking about matondo.
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 1, 2018 20:39:22 GMT
Cap him.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 2, 2018 8:27:22 GMT
Yes, a short cameo against Ireland would tie him down too - Giggs mentioned when he joined that he was in conversation with a dual qualified player who was tempted to switch allegiance, I'm guessing he was talking about matondo. Where have you read this? So far I've been impressed that so many of our dual qualified players have been very decisive and very passionate for Wales. I believe Osian Roberts has a lot to do with this, but personally I was never worried about Brooks, Woodburn or Ampadu switching allegiance. I'd be interested to hear what Giggs has to say about this. On capping players to tie them down, it hasn't ever been the FA's style and I don't think we would cap him just for the sake of it. I also don't think we should be selecting players who aren't 100% committed to Wales for the first team. You could even make the argument for the youth teams as well. Look at the instability in the Irish setup. If Matondo has value to the first team, which I believe he does, and if he is committed to Wales, which I hope he is, then by all means lets give him a 10-15 minute run out in both games. I wouldn't want to see us put him on with 30 seconds left in the Ireland game. If we don't tie him down and he runs off to another country then so be it, that's not the attitude we are looking for when we say Together Stronger. |
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Post by alarch on Oct 2, 2018 11:02:00 GMT
One concern I have is that it's now getting to the point where dual-qualified players (especially attacking wide players) stand a better chance of getting into the England first team than the Welsh one, such is the quality and depth at our disposal. And I'm only being semi-facetious...
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Post by welshiron on Oct 2, 2018 11:49:48 GMT
Think that is a stretch Alarch
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Post by gruffcymru on Oct 2, 2018 12:50:36 GMT
Is it just me, or is anyone else uncomfortable with the term ‘tied down’. There was a fan next to me ecstatic that we’d ‘managed to tie another down’. Sounds a bit like they were/are forced into it, rather than chose to play for Wales.
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Post by alarch on Oct 2, 2018 13:11:45 GMT
Think that is a stretch Alarch Well, yes - as I said I was being semi-facetious. But if you look at Matondo's situation - he is faced with Bale, Brooks, Woodburn, Lawrence and Wilson as competition for the wide attacking berths. Apart from Bale the rest are all young and likely to offer competition for years to come. Chris Sutton - not exactly known for his compliments - was gushing about Brooks last night - so we definitely have a lot of quality competing for places in the starting eleven, even if most are still in the process of establishing themselves in the professional game. England have a lot of quality to choose from for sure - but are their options that much better than ours? I don't think so. If at all. |
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Post by manulike on Oct 2, 2018 13:19:23 GMT
Just scored for City out in Hoffenheim in the Youth League
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Post by iot on Oct 2, 2018 13:22:14 GMT
Yes, a short cameo against Ireland would tie him down too - Giggs mentioned when he joined that he was in conversation with a dual qualified player who was tempted to switch allegiance, I'm guessing he was talking about matondo. Where have you read this? So far I've been impressed that so many of our dual qualified players have been very decisive and very passionate for Wales. I believe Osian Roberts has a lot to do with this, but personally I was never worried about Brooks, Woodburn or Ampadu switching allegiance. I'd be interested to hear what Giggs has to say about this. On capping players to tie them down, it hasn't ever been the FA's style and I don't think we would cap him just for the sake of it. I also don't think we should be selecting players who aren't 100% committed to Wales for the first team. You could even make the argument for the youth teams as well. Look at the instability in the Irish setup. If Matondo has value to the first team, which I believe he does, and if he is committed to Wales, which I hope he is, then by all means lets give him a 10-15 minute run out in both games. I wouldn't want to see us put him on with 30 seconds left in the Ireland game. If we don't tie him down and he runs off to another country then so be it, that's not the attitude we are looking for when we say Together Stronger. "Where have you read this?" It was early after he was appointed where he was talking about what he'd been up to in the first few weeks. Agree with your comments on the commitment shown by the dual qualified players. I wouldn't suggest capping Matondo just to tie him down - I liked the rationale made by others earlier i.e. to utilise his pace (apparently he's the fastest player at Man City!) late on in the game. However, if we're being completely honest, while I believe the FAW have a healthier attitude than other nations, I think it has been part of the consideration in capping players in the past. Harry Wilson was capped at 16 for a couple of reasons (not least all the injuries we had at that point), but if we're being completely honest I think getting him committed to us was also part of the rationale. Similarly with the half a dozen + capped against Ireland e.g. Matthew Smith and Tyler Roberts, there were probably other reasons too, but I suspect it was partly about tying them down. |
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Post by pendragon on Oct 2, 2018 14:08:24 GMT
Think that is a stretch Alarch Well, yes - as I said I was being semi-facetious. But if you look at Matondo's situation - he is faced with Bale, Brooks, Woodburn, Lawrence and Wilson as competition for the wide attacking berths. Apart from Bale the rest are all young and likely to offer competition for years to come. Chris Sutton - not exactly known for his compliments - was gushing about Brooks last night - so we definitely have a lot of quality competing for places in the starting eleven, even if most are still in the process of establishing themselves in the professional game. England have a lot of quality to choose from for sure - but are their options that much better than ours? I don't think so. If at all. This has also crossed my mind! Not now, but in years to come and if the strength of the side is reflected in successes at tournaments, we may very well get a situation where dual-qualified players will fear they have no chance of getting into the Welsh set-up so will opt for England and we might end up in their situation, particularly if we get complacent and take our eyes off the ball by expecting, rather than encouraging, players to turn out for us! Please bear in mind that I'm talking about a situation that will likely not arise for years and years to come! In terms of capping dual-qualified players, I fully agree that these players should be those who want to play for us, and there should be no twisting of arms etc. Equally, if some want to walk away, we should wish them the best of luck. Bear in mind though that I'm sure these players would not play unless they wanted to (look at the Declan Rice situation), and it can benefit their own club careers. Would Brooks or Woodburn have featured for England by now? I suspect perhaps not. |
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Post by iot on Oct 2, 2018 14:26:47 GMT
Think that is a stretch Alarch Well, yes - as I said I was being semi-facetious. But if you look at Matondo's situation - he is faced with Bale, Brooks, Woodburn, Lawrence and Wilson as competition for the wide attacking berths. Apart from Bale the rest are all young and likely to offer competition for years to come. Chris Sutton - not exactly known for his compliments - was gushing about Brooks last night - so we definitely have a lot of quality competing for places in the starting eleven, even if most are still in the process of establishing themselves in the professional game. England have a lot of quality to choose from for sure - but are their options that much better than ours? I don't think so. If at all.I think you're getting carried away with that last sentence. If you look at the five you just mentioned, Bale is the only one who's ever likely to be a world class talent (i.e. spoken about as a potential Ballon d'Or winner etc.). Lawrence is unlikely at this point to be better than a top championship player. Wilson and Brooks are both 21 and I expect them to be good, premier league players - but I'd be surprised if either were to go on to be successful at a top club. Woodburn still has everything to prove. Then take England's options. They have 3 or 4 youth teams from u17 to u21 who have just won or come very close to winning world cups and european tournaments. They have 17/18yos breaking into sides like Man City and Borussia Dortmund in Foden and Sancho. They have one of the best strikers around in Kane, and around a dozen other CFs who would go straight into our team as a no.9 - rashford, Deeney, Austin etc. They have deeper/wide forwards in Sterling, Lingaard etc. who would also go straight into our team. They will always have better options than us because of the size and wealth at their disposal - we shouldn't even benchmark ourselves against them. |
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Post by alarch on Oct 2, 2018 17:18:54 GMT
I think you're over-stating the talent at England's disposal - especially in wide areas. It's impossible to be sure about Brooks, Woodburn and Wilson but given that the former has gone straight into Bournemouth's first team I think the chances of him making it at a top six team are pretty high. In any event young dual-qualified players who haven't made the choice yet will be focussing on their peers rather than established players like Bale - because the former are likely to offer competition for the duration of their international careers.
Of course England as a whole will have better resources to choose from - reflecting the fact that their population is 18 times ours. But there are some (probably short-lived) scenarios where players in certain positions may be faced with a difficult choice when it comes to assessing their prospects with Wales in comparison to England. I'm still confident that they will select Wales because of the fantastic, emotionally intelligent setup we have at age-grade level, which makes playing for Wales a joy rather than a thankless chore, as it seems to be in the English setup. Having said that, there were more than a few signs in the World Cup that the English are trying to emulate the achievements of the FAW (e.g. media friendly approach, set piece setup), so there's no grounds for complacency if we're going to continue to attract the Brooks' of this world.
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Post by pendragon on Oct 3, 2018 10:37:42 GMT
England have a lot of quality to choose from for sure - but are their options that much better than ours? I don't think so. If at all. I think you're getting carried away with that last sentence. If you look at the five you just mentioned, Bale is the only one who's ever likely to be a world class talent (i.e. spoken about as a potential Ballon d'Or winner etc.). Lawrence is unlikely at this point to be better than a top championship player. Wilson and Brooks are both 21 and I expect them to be good, premier league players - but I'd be surprised if either were to go on to be successful at a top club. Woodburn still has everything to prove. I agree with some of your points but bear in mind, it could have been very different for Bale. According to a recent article with Pochettino, he was at one time, being touted for a possible loan move. Had that have happened, he may never have had the opportunity to fulfill his potential and we'd all be none the wiser about it. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 3, 2018 19:12:54 GMT
Think that is a stretch Alarch Well, yes - as I said I was being semi-facetious. But if you look at Matondo's situation - he is faced with Bale, Brooks, Woodburn, Lawrence and Wilson as competition for the wide attacking berths. Apart from Bale the rest are all young and likely to offer competition for years to come. Chris Sutton - not exactly known for his compliments - was gushing about Brooks last night - so we definitely have a lot of quality competing for places in the starting eleven, even if most are still in the process of establishing themselves in the professional game. England have a lot of quality to choose from for sure - but are their options that much better than ours? I don't think so. If at all. Rabbi's going to the very top imo. Only thing that could stop him is the potential attitude problem. This was the opinion of the guys at Cardiff's academy at the time |
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Post by alarch on Oct 3, 2018 23:24:10 GMT
I think you're getting carried away with that last sentence. If you look at the five you just mentioned, Bale is the only one who's ever likely to be a world class talent (i.e. spoken about as a potential Ballon d'Or winner etc.). Lawrence is unlikely at this point to be better than a top championship player. Wilson and Brooks are both 21 and I expect them to be good, premier league players - but I'd be surprised if either were to go on to be successful at a top club. Woodburn still has everything to prove. I agree with some of your points but bear in mind, it could have been very different for Bale. According to a recent article with Pochettino, he was at one time, being touted for a possible loan move. Had that have happened, he may never have had the opportunity to fulfill his potential and we'd all be none the wiser about it. Can't agree I'm afraid. Bale was always going to make it. It was only a matter of time before someone realised the stupidity of wasting his talent at left back. In fact Toshack realised this folly by playing him as a wing-back before Redknapp finally saw sense. |
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