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Post by ystradwales on Aug 12, 2016 18:35:04 GMT
Seems that Rabbi has left Cardiff City academy to join Man City.
He was born in Liverpool so must have qualified for Wales on education grounds. Has played for England u15s previously. |
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Post by quetzal on Aug 12, 2016 19:20:44 GMT
If a player born in England chooses England then so be it. Even if they come through our system there's nothing we can do about it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 18:55:01 GMT
I've copied and pasted this from the best Cardiff City forum CCMB where I first posted it so it's a bit Cardiff-centric. I had always wanted to keep the fact that I'm a Cardiff fan off of this forum as I'm also a fan of all Welsh clubs. (Great to see the Swans and Newport do well today). Anyway, thanks to anyone who can be bothered to read this!
I have no idea who Rabbi's agent is, what his (assuming it's a bloke) intentions are. He may very well have Rabbi's best intentions at heart. But I'm going to assume, for the sake of putting this point across, that this is not the case because I feel Matondo has made a very silly move here. The dilemma with the agent-player relationship is that the agent often becomes the "mentor" figure for young players and their families. They seem as if they are somehow offering independent advice because they are not affiliated with clubs, but they are not independent from their own interests. The big payday for agents come when players transfer via signing on fees etc. I'll bet that Michael Chopra's agent has made more dollar out of his player because of his journeyman path than say Peter Whittingham's. But of these two players, which will be able to look back on their careers and have fewer regrets? Often times a player is far better off if they stay put when they are developing well. Agents could even stand to make more money if they took a long term view over a short term one, but I feel they see they clients like modern day bets where you can cash out in game while a bet has value. I feel Rabbi has been unsettled at a crucial age in his development.
How ironic that this news broke on the very same day that Emyr Huws moved to Cardiff. Huws was poached from another Welsh club by the very same club - Man City. The terms of the poach of Huws by Man City was quite different from that of Rabbi as the EPPP rules were not in place then so Swansea ended receiving what was, I think (going off memory here), a British record for compensation for a youth player. But had Emyr stayed at Swansea, I'm quite sure he would have broken into their 25 man playing squad by now and in the Premier League. But instead the club's who he has been contracted to since leaving the Swans have treated him like a game of pass the parcel to the detriment of his development. Hopefully now he can settle and grow into the player he deserves to be at Cardiff.
So was the acquiring of Emyr a bad move for Man City? Absolutely not. They made a healthy profit on their DVP captain Huws, despite him only ever getting a sniff at meaningless first team opportunities in pre-season friendlies. They loaned him out, raised his profile and market values so as to sell him for a sizable fee. But I feel there are two clubs especially in the UK where talented youngsters should absolutely not join and that's Chelsea and Man City. Here's why. Both clubs are at best the vanity project of two of the richest people on earth, at worst a multi-multi-million pound public laundering scam. Either way the pot of money to invest into the the senior playing squad is bottomless. But the owners have the obstacle of the FFP rules to get around and the youth academies are the best way to do that. Investment in academies doesn't count towards FFP expenditures, so Man City/Chelsea/Category One clubs can poach the best youth players from Category Two (or below) clubs, sign the better players that "make it" on pro contracts, then fatten up the profile and value of those young players via loans. So when the likes of Man City/Chelsea sell on the DVP graduates in their early 20's, the profits can be offset against their FFP allowance and allow them to spend more in the transfer market. So how many of their academy "products" have fully broken into the first team of Man City/Chelsea since their billionaire owners took over? A combined total of none. Any token first team appearances for their graduates are simply to redeem the profile of their academies which are, failing their supposed remit to produce first team players.
The one thing I will say is a good thing in regard to the top academies is the opportunity to be around and train with the best players to raise your own game. Man City's DVP complex is as impressive as it gets, but there's something in me that looks at all that opulence, investment and grandiose infrastructure and thinks it can't be a good thing to expose to kids. All that money, hype and pressure. Not to mention how this can de-incentivise a young player to push themselves to become the best player they can be. There's also the problem of fame and over-exposure at too young an age. At Cardiff, I really enjoy the vids the club put out for the youth teams, but part of me wishes they wouldn't put anything out in the public realm for age groups under the DVP age group.
In America and in part Australia, the have the draft systems in place. They have managed to make this a very entertaining process in it's own right. But I would loathe to see a system like that implemented into football. I find it to be very much "loony left" in that you effectively have a institutional like intervention in the movement of young sportsman from team to team. But what we have with EPPP rules in the UK and the obsession with the top dogs unsettling and displacing young hopefuls is to me "loony right". It's happening because of England's obsession with the failures of their national team. And it will only fail them even more.
Back to Rabbi Matondo and a final point on Wales. I'm sure England will carry on with their pursuits of young Rabbi. But I don't want another situation like the one we have with Lloyd Jones, who was even made captain of Welsh youth teams before he defected to England. In my view Lloyd Jones used Wales to raise his profile and stole Welsh opportunities from a more worthy player. If Rabbi feels more English than Welsh, so be it.
I hope Matondo makes it and fulfills his potential. I also hope he feels in his heart that he wants to play for Wales, but you can never control what your heart says. Good luck to Rabbi.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 17:52:11 GMT
Rabbi is in the latest Wales 17 squad for friendlies to be played this month.
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Post by ystradwales on Aug 23, 2016 13:19:08 GMT
Is not in the match day squad for today's first game against Hungary. Cameron Berry has been called up to replace Rabbi.
Ethan ampadu is also missing but given its a friendly and he's been playing for Exeter's first team I am assuming he's being rested.
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Post by ystradwales on Aug 23, 2016 19:41:43 GMT
Ampadu playing for Exeter against Hull tonight which explains why he didn't play for Wales u17s today
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 9:31:20 GMT
Is not in the match day squad for today's first game against Hungary. Cameron Berry has been called up to replace Rabbi. Ethan ampadu is also missing but given its a friendly and he's been playing for Exeter's first team I am assuming he's being rested. Rabbi was named in the original squad. Both clubs, man city and exeter, withdrew them apparently. The latter is easy to understand why. We could have another defection on our hands. |
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Post by llannerch on Aug 24, 2016 12:09:01 GMT
I wouldn't know what it's like to have dual citizenship/split allegiance or whatever else it's called so I can't put myself in their shoes, but if they think their career will be furthered more by opting to represent England then so be it. Good luck to them. I'm confident that Osian Roberts, Geraint Williams and his assistant age grade coaches know what they're doing and making as good an impression as they can to the dual qualified youngsters.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 14:57:46 GMT
Agree Llanerch. And we shouldn't be twisting any arms to make players want to turn out for Wales.
Like you say, good luck to him.
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Post by manulike on Sept 24, 2016 11:34:23 GMT
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Post by richierich333 on Mar 13, 2017 13:40:13 GMT
Signed from Cardiff for Man City for around £500k.
Another young player sucked into the vortex of the Man city youth team. This is all too common nowadays and surely no good will come of this. The papers have made comparisons with Ramsey but the difference is Ramsey was playing in Cardiff's first XI before the move and Wenger would have assured him of a place in the first team squad off the back of his performances. Isn't it weird how around 10 years ago we would have been so excited about one of our youngsters joining a big side, whereas today it is just bad news.
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Post by cymroircarn on Mar 13, 2017 13:49:19 GMT
Pretty sure he is originally from Liverpool?
I heard from a good source that Man City were after another player but due to challenges with his discipline (was he expelled from school?), Cardiff allowed Matondo to slip through the net so they could keep the other unnamed player.
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Post by zenith on Mar 13, 2017 14:02:29 GMT
This is old news, he went about 7/8 months ago
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Post by richierich333 on Mar 13, 2017 14:09:31 GMT
This is old news, he went about 7/8 months ago What's your point? |
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Post by zenith on Mar 13, 2017 14:52:52 GMT
This is old news, he went about 7/8 months ago What's your point? My point is this was already debated 7/8 months ago |
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Post by welshiron on Mar 13, 2017 14:57:50 GMT
who is the bad boy?
must be a decent player but with a poor attitude more likely to be a Leon Jeanne than a Gareth Bale
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Post by cymroircarn on Mar 13, 2017 15:00:03 GMT
who is the bad boy? must be a decent player but with a poor attitude more likely to be a Leon Jeanne than a Gareth Bale Matondo I believe was expelled... anyway Cardiff let him go so they could keep another who they rate very highly (better than this wonderkid). Heard this from a source who works at the Academy. |
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Post by welshiron on Mar 13, 2017 15:01:42 GMT
you tease lol
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Post by cymroircarn on Mar 13, 2017 15:03:46 GMT
Ha! Don't know the name of the kid that is highly rated, was told to watch this space!! |
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 13, 2017 15:11:58 GMT
...is he Welsh though?
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Post by eppingblue on Mar 13, 2017 16:16:03 GMT
Played for England at under 15 and Wales at under 17. |
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Post by biwmares on Mar 13, 2017 16:46:37 GMT
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Post by bluetone on Mar 13, 2017 18:25:13 GMT
who is the bad boy? must be a decent player but with a poor attitude more likely to be a Leon Jeanne than a Gareth Bale Matondo I believe was expelled... anyway Cardiff let him go so they could keep another who they rate very highly (better than this wonderkid). Heard this from a source who works at the Academy. I know who this other lad is as I've known his dad for over 30years and him since he was a nipper. He is a grade A student, excels in most sports and is as far progressed in his development as Ramsey was at his age..he is just 16 and his a really nice, humble young man. He was courted by Man City and Chelsea (& others) but his heart is set on making his debut for Cardiff and to be the youngest player to play for the Bluebirds. Who says there isn't any loyalty in Football. Hes already played in a few U23 Development games and holds his own without any issues. Im hoping when it is mathematically impossible to gain a place off place Warnock will give him a run out. #WatchThisSpace |
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Post by bluetone on Mar 13, 2017 18:26:58 GMT
Haha, yes he is and he's VERY Welsh. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 13, 2017 18:38:20 GMT
Glad to hear it!
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Post by richierich333 on Mar 14, 2017 7:49:46 GMT
My point is this was already debated 7/8 months ago Well I am debating it now as the international clearance has only just gone through. If you think it is pointless then don't comment rather than shoot down a whole post, goodness me. |
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Post by richierich333 on Mar 14, 2017 7:51:16 GMT
How does Matondo qualify for Wales and who is this other 'wonderkid' I wonder? The only one who has been pulled into the first team is Mark Harris I believe.
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Post by ystradwales on Mar 14, 2017 8:24:16 GMT
I believe that he qualifies under the 5 years of statutory education rule.
I think the other cardiff city youngster mention is Sion Spence. He is 16 and is now involved in Cardiff's u23 squad
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Post by bluetone on Mar 15, 2017 13:55:41 GMT
I believe that he qualifies under the 5 years of statutory education rule. I think the other cardiff city youngster mention is Sion Spence. He is 16 and is now involved in Cardiff's u23 squad BINGO  |
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Post by mortillsy on Sept 28, 2017 18:38:48 GMT
Rabbi Matondo 🔥🔥🔥🔥
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