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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 22:48:47 GMT
Needs to do a lot more for us to be in the same category as Rodgers and Martinez. Merely a Sousa at the moment.
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Post by alarch on May 15, 2019 9:38:53 GMT
Sousa was very much a pragmatist, albeit one in a continental mould, with an emphasis on possession. Potter is far superior to him, and he only needs time to emulate the achievements of Martinez and Rodgers. If only Swansea had Aberystwyth-born Stuart Webber as Director of Football. This article makes for fascinating reading: trainingground.guru/articles/stuart-webber-climb-of-the-canariesMuch of what he says is plain common sense, but it's pretty exceptional in British football to see the sort of joined-up, long-term vision that he espouses. Take his comments on German coaching: "When I speak to my colleagues out there, they almost laugh when I tell them what’s going on here in those areas. ‘Are you only just doing that?!’ But there are areas where we’re way ahead of them, in terms of sports science protocols or having a loan manager, for example. They don’t have that role over there. Culturally, too, our players tend to work hard, are tough and have a great mentality. Then again, there are areas where we can learn from them, such as when you see Moritz Leitner in the canteen and the way he picks his food so carefully for his lunch. That rubs off on our players, so now I see Jamal Lewis doing the same things, because he’s learning from a top professional. With different football cultures, you have to take the best from each and then you develop a powerful mix. It’s not the case that one football culture is best." If only Swansea could prise Stuart Webber away from Norwich - some chance. He'd be very welcome if only for his comment in the video that "he wouldn't pay to see Cardiff play"  If Potter does leave then a German coach, or one who's been through the rigours of the German coaching programme would be a good place for Swansea to look. There must be a chance that there's a Farke or a Franck out there somewhere. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 11:48:32 GMT
Interviews with him are a good watch and I highly recommend people find some time for them.
We're not far off his model though, in fairness.
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Post by insertname on May 15, 2019 14:35:02 GMT
Sousa was very much a pragmatist, albeit one in a continental mould, with an emphasis on possession. Potter is far superior to him, and he only needs time to emulate the achievements of Martinez and Rodgers. If only Swansea had Aberystwyth-born Stuart Webber as Director of Football. This article makes for fascinating reading: trainingground.guru/articles/stuart-webber-climb-of-the-canariesMuch of what he says is plain common sense, but it's pretty exceptional in British football to see the sort of joined-up, long-term vision that he espouses. Take his comments on German coaching: "When I speak to my colleagues out there, they almost laugh when I tell them what’s going on here in those areas. ‘Are you only just doing that?!’ But there are areas where we’re way ahead of them, in terms of sports science protocols or having a loan manager, for example. They don’t have that role over there. Culturally, too, our players tend to work hard, are tough and have a great mentality. Then again, there are areas where we can learn from them, such as when you see Moritz Leitner in the canteen and the way he picks his food so carefully for his lunch. That rubs off on our players, so now I see Jamal Lewis doing the same things, because he’s learning from a top professional. With different football cultures, you have to take the best from each and then you develop a powerful mix. It’s not the case that one football culture is best." If only Swansea could prise Stuart Webber away from Norwich - some chance. He'd be very welcome if only for his comment in the video that "he wouldn't pay to see Cardiff play" If Potter does leave then a German coach, or one who's been through the rigours of the German coaching programme would be a good place for Swansea to look. There must be a chance that there's a Farke or a Franck out there somewhere. I wonder where this puts The FAW’s coaching programme, seeing as the best up and coming coaches these days all seem to have learned their art in the bundesliga? |
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Post by CrackityJones on May 17, 2019 14:08:21 GMT
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Post by alarch on May 17, 2019 15:39:17 GMT
I wonder where this puts The FAW’s coaching programme, seeing as the best up and coming coaches these days all seem to have learned their art in the bundesliga? I don't know, but although the FAWs coaching programmes compare well with others in the UK, I suspect that they're not up to the same standard as the German ones. Stuart Webber would probably be a good person to make that call. |
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Post by iantov on May 18, 2019 18:46:36 GMT
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Post by Albert on May 18, 2019 18:55:17 GMT
Will they take Coleman on ??
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Post by alarch on May 18, 2019 19:40:23 GMT
Will they take Coleman on ?? It's bad enough losing Potter, appointing Coleman, Pulis or Flynn would be the last straw. Knowing the clueless American owners there's every chance any of the above will get the job. |
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Post by Albert on May 18, 2019 19:59:33 GMT
If Bradley got the job then who knows. Coleman must be favourite as it stands surely ?
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Post by cadno on May 19, 2019 10:42:13 GMT
Don't think Coleman would want to do it.
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Post by welshiron on May 19, 2019 11:38:13 GMT
It will be Cameron Toshack.
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Post by alarch on May 19, 2019 15:31:13 GMT
It will be Cameron Toshack. Not certain, but a very good chance - if only because he'd be the cheap option for the board. I also think that he has a redundancy notice hanging over him, like pretty much everybody else outside the players - and his position is particularly vulnerable given he shares the U23s role with Gary Richards. So, if he's offered the job it will be pretty difficult for him to turn the poisoned chalice down. He wouldn't be the worst option -he's a congruent choice given the Swansea possession football identity, and he talks very intelligently on the SwansTV live broadcasts. He comes across as being very diplomatic - surprising given his dad - but perhaps lacks a bit of hwyl. It might help Swansea hang on to some of their youngsters a while longer - because no doubt many will want to leave. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 22:22:12 GMT
We spent £700k on a management team last summer, and are receiving £3m for them now. After offering to make Potter one of the highest paid managers in the division (according to reports). I don't think a budget internal option is a given to be honest.
The u23s/u18s coaching staff was never at real risk of redundancy once we committed to Cat One status for another season. There are strict minimums in terms of staff qualifications, hours, and numbers per player that have to be maintained. The letters that went out were very general advisory notices for the club as a whole, and offered a chance for staff to take voluntary redundancy packages (which Alan Curtis and Kate Rees seem to have done, calling time on exemplary careers at the club).
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Post by alarch on May 20, 2019 12:58:01 GMT
I think it's fair to say that Toshack would be the fallback choice. At least it's encouraging to hear that the club want another manager in the Potter mould, which will automatically exclude the dinosaurs such as Pulis, Allardyce and Pardew.
It's very much in Swansea and Wales' interests that the Swans get a possession-style manager who will look to the U23s first, rather than simply picking seasoned pros. Stuart Webber's interview on youtube is pretty scathing about Cardiff in that regard. What's the point of them having an academy if the players aren't given the chance to play? Hopefully Swansea can pinch the likes of Sion Spence - if only to prove the potential of Cardiff's academy if it's given the chance to shine.
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Post by welshiron on May 22, 2019 9:10:38 GMT
Think they could be in trouble next season.
Manager gone players going minimal investment.
All points to a long season
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 14:44:25 GMT
People said the same last summer. And then the narrative shifted to how Potter must be performing miracles.
In reality we have a good squad for this level. The Premier League years prepared us well (not financially, obviously). Losing 2 or 3 breakout stars won't suddenly make us a League One team.
If Potter had fixed our set piece vulnerability (like, say, picking a goalkeeper that wasn't one of the worst in the division at everything but passing) we'd have been in the playoffs. Only two sides conceded less from open play than we did (Sheff Utd & Boro). No one conceded more from set plays.
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Post by barry on May 22, 2019 17:38:31 GMT
People said the same last summer. And then the narrative shifted to how Potter must be performing miracles. In reality we have a good squad for this level. The Premier League years prepared us well (not financially, obviously). Losing 2 or 3 breakout stars won't suddenly make us a League One team. If Potter had fixed our set piece vulnerability (like, say, picking a goalkeeper that wasn't one of the worst in the division at everything but passing) we'd have been in the playoffs. Only two sides conceded less from open play than we did (Sheff Utd & Boro). No one conceded more from set plays. Chairman Birch has come out with a great statement. Says there will be no fire sale which would be my greatest fear. Hope he is true to his word. Hasn't done much wrong so far. www.swanseacity.com/news/update-chairman |
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Post by biwmares on Jun 6, 2019 12:49:10 GMT
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Post by gifford on Jun 20, 2019 18:48:18 GMT
I see Swansea are playing Mansfield in Portugal - Remember going to the same stadium in 2009 to see Wales lose 1-0 to Poland in a friendly.
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Post by manulike on Aug 25, 2019 13:00:52 GMT
Another magical display of football.
Connor really stood out, going forward, with almost every cross or threaded pass creating havoc.
He caused the pen and should have caused/created another pen.
Although Joe wasn't really tested at the back, he did - IMHO - look a little shaky with his passing.
Lost the ball a couple of times in dangerous areas and missed his target when passing both short and long - more often than not. I feel, on this display, he should start v Belarus, but perhaps not v Azerbaijan.
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Post by alarch on Aug 25, 2019 16:55:37 GMT
Not quite how I saw it. Roberts was solid, but unremarkable. Good assist for penalty mind. Rodon was also unremarkable, but literally had one bad pass which created an opportunity for Birmingham - but he recovered to get the block in. Pass completion of 96% testifies to the solidity of his display.
If it's a straight choice between Lockyear and Rodon, then Rodon should start versus Azerbaijan - he's simply a better player and is experienced playing alongside Mepham. The only other option is playing Davies - but it doesn't look as if he's going to have many minutes under his belt. What's the bet Giggs will go with Lawrence or Lockyear.
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Post by robin1864 on Aug 25, 2019 18:07:32 GMT
Not quite how I saw it. Roberts was solid, but unremarkable. Good assist for penalty mind. Rodon was also unremarkable, but literally had one bad pass which created an opportunity for Birmingham - but he recovered to get the block in. Pass completion of 96% testifies to the solidity of his display. If it's a straight choice between Lockyear and Rodon, then Rodon should start versus Azerbaijan - he's simply a better player and is experienced playing alongside Mepham. The only other option is playing Davies - but it doesn't look as if he's going to have many minutes under his belt. What's the bet Giggs will go with Lawrence or Lockyear. I don't have an issue with Lockyer starting, he's got 250+ senior appearances to his name and worked his way up the leagues, whereas Rodon has only started appearing recently (and through sheer necessity, at that) because of Swansea's poor recruitment. I hope Rodon turns out to be another Ben Davies-style find, but on merit Lockyer should have a fair hearing. |
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Post by cadno on Aug 25, 2019 19:53:20 GMT
rodon is class
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Post by jbt95 on Aug 25, 2019 21:27:35 GMT
Not quite how I saw it. Roberts was solid, but unremarkable. Good assist for penalty mind. Rodon was also unremarkable, but literally had one bad pass which created an opportunity for Birmingham - but he recovered to get the block in. Pass completion of 96% testifies to the solidity of his display. If it's a straight choice between Lockyear and Rodon, then Rodon should start versus Azerbaijan - he's simply a better player and is experienced playing alongside Mepham. The only other option is playing Davies - but it doesn't look as if he's going to have many minutes under his belt. What's the bet Giggs will go with Lawrence or Lockyear. I don't have an issue with Lockyer starting, he's got 250+ senior appearances to his name and worked his way up the leagues, whereas Rodon has only started appearing recently (and through sheer necessity, at that) because of Swansea's poor recruitment. I hope Rodon turns out to be another Ben Davies-style find, but on merit Lockyer should have a fair hearing. LOL If that were the case nobody would ever play U25s for country's with huge populations. If you've made 0 senior appearances it doesn't mean you are crap compared to somebody who has played 1000 games for Albion Rovers FC Seniors. |
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Post by robin1864 on Aug 25, 2019 21:58:13 GMT
I don't have an issue with Lockyer starting, he's got 250+ senior appearances to his name and worked his way up the leagues, whereas Rodon has only started appearing recently (and through sheer necessity, at that) because of Swansea's poor recruitment. I hope Rodon turns out to be another Ben Davies-style find, but on merit Lockyer should have a fair hearing. LOL If that were the case nobody would ever play U25s for country's with huge populations. If you've made 0 senior appearances it doesn't mean you are crap compared to somebody who has played 1000 games for Albion Rovers FC Seniors. I never said Rodon was crap. The fact is Lockyer has played dozens of times at multiple levels, and is now a first choice pick for a Championship side - he's worked his way up from the bottom, and should be in equal contention; the same way Bradshaw should have been when instead we were calling up Simon f**king Church. And I'd strongly advise the player with 0 senior appearances to get some ambition and find a new club, rather than hope there's an injury crisis or the club's owners are trying to bleed the club dry - look at what Sancho has become since he left City. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 22:15:17 GMT
Not quite how I saw it. Roberts was solid, but unremarkable. Good assist for penalty mind. Rodon was also unremarkable, but literally had one bad pass which created an opportunity for Birmingham - but he recovered to get the block in. Pass completion of 96% testifies to the solidity of his display. If it's a straight choice between Lockyear and Rodon, then Rodon should start versus Azerbaijan - he's simply a better player and is experienced playing alongside Mepham. The only other option is playing Davies - but it doesn't look as if he's going to have many minutes under his belt. What's the bet Giggs will go with Lawrence or Lockyear. I don't have an issue with Lockyer starting, he's got 250+ senior appearances to his name and worked his way up the leagues, whereas Rodon has only started appearing recently (and through sheer necessity, at that) because of Swansea's poor recruitment. I hope Rodon turns out to be another Ben Davies-style find, but on merit Lockyer should have a fair hearing. Joe didn't get games out of "sheer necessity". Been part of the club's long-term plans for years. It was between him and Cian Harries for who would step in once Fernandez and Amat were gone, his presence meant we could easily let them go, and while we had the CCV loan lined up for weeks beforehand knew we didn't have to rush into it with such able deputies available. He then kept his place up until Spurs complained their player couldn't get a game, and Joe broke his foot. There's still an attitude around that the young players at Swansea were all random kids brought in off a local park and we've been lucky they've turned out to be decent footballers. Couldn't be further from the truth. Spent millions of quid over 4-5 years assembling, developing and honing a squad of players that were in the end long overdue opportunities to play (not many teenagers in the group last season, despite being a young squad). Had we been relegated one or two seasons earlier DJ, Joe and Connor were already waiting in the wings, just as McBurnie, Fulton, Grimes, Byers were alongside them. Poor senior recruitment got us relegated but the academy was stated to be the "safety net" in the event of disaster years before that, and a strong one it has proved. |
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Post by insertname on Aug 26, 2019 10:48:57 GMT
I don't have an issue with Lockyer starting, he's got 250+ senior appearances to his name and worked his way up the leagues, whereas Rodon has only started appearing recently (and through sheer necessity, at that) because of Swansea's poor recruitment. I hope Rodon turns out to be another Ben Davies-style find, but on merit Lockyer should have a fair hearing. LOL If that were the case nobody would ever play U25s for country's with huge populations. If you've made 0 senior appearances it doesn't mean you are crap compared to somebody who has played 1000 games for Albion Rovers FC Seniors. Oi trappy- Bristol Rovers aren’t *that* bad!  We finished just outside the relegation places last season but that’s Because we struggled to score goals, our defence (of which Lockyer was a vital part) was one of the best in the league. I think Rovers fans have only come to appreciate how good he actually was since he left... |
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Post by iot on Aug 26, 2019 16:11:44 GMT
LOL If that were the case nobody would ever play U25s for country's with huge populations. If you've made 0 senior appearances it doesn't mean you are crap compared to somebody who has played 1000 games for Albion Rovers FC Seniors. Oi trappy- Bristol Rovers aren’t *that* bad! We finished just outside the relegation places last season but that’s Because we struggled to score goals, our defence (of which Lockyer was a vital part) was one of the best in the league. I think Rovers fans have only come to appreciate how good he actually was since he left... Lockyer seems to have had a great start at Charlton. I thought you and other rovers fans didn't rate him? That's why I'd assumed he'd reached his ceiling at league 1. But from the start he's had at championship level and considering his vast experience, he would certainly merit a start with mepham ahead of rodon. It's a 50-50 call for me. I get the impression that rodon has much more potential but that he does have a few shaky moments in him - all we need to do is concede from such a moment early on and there could be a shock on the cards! |
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Post by pendragon on Aug 26, 2019 16:23:48 GMT
Swansea are flying in the Championship right now!
Unremarkable or not, Roberts is usually solid for us and for me, he and Rodon start ahead of Gunter and Lawrence.
Wake up Giggs. This is a must-win game and we need a convincing win to get the campaign back on track.
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