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Post by cadno on Jul 29, 2020 20:49:56 GMT
Yep, scanning the Forest Green Rovers released player list is the sure fire way to secure promotion to the Prem for next season! When are Swansea going to finally learn that their raison d'etre is to provide complimentary playing time to any Welsh qualified professional footballer that is struggling to find it elsewhere? Hey, George Williams is a good player :-) |
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Post by iot on Jul 29, 2020 21:05:59 GMT
Damn, no Welsh clubs in the prem next year then. Swansea were as comprehensively beaten as Cardiff were the other day.
Easy to say in hindsight, and I've only watched swansea a few times this season so I may be wide of the mark, but I thought they played the wrong shape in both games. To be fair, I did say it here after the first game, I know the change in formation had been really effective in the run-in, but it was obvious in the first game that swansea were getting completely overrun in midfield.
I can't see swansea making a push next season. If brewster doesn't come back on loan, there's no way they'll find anyone as good to replace him. They will try to move Ayew on, and rightly so because he's not good value for money, but I suspect they won't really splash out on a replacement. And I think their midfield is really poor. Grimes is a good player, but there's no one decent to play alongside him. I don't rate fulton at all, so if I were cooper i would prioritise a deep-lying midfielder along with some firepower up front.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 29, 2020 21:09:14 GMT
I still can't quite believe they put a cardboard cutout of Boris Johnson in their dressing room and made it look like he was wearing a Swansea top
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Post by wirralwelsh on Jul 29, 2020 21:39:12 GMT
Yep, scanning the Forest Green Rovers released player list is the sure fire way to secure promotion to the Prem for next season! When are Swansea going to finally learn that their raison d'etre is to provide complimentary playing time to any Welsh qualified professional footballer that is struggling to find it elsewhere? Hey, George Williams is a good player :-) I'd say he had the potential to be a good player certainly as the talent was there but doesn't look like that potential is being fulfilled, to a large part due to injury issues, to the extent he is looking at struggling for a future in the professional game perhaps. It just makes me chuckle on here every time one of our players is frozen out at their club or struggling to breakthrough Swansea City always get nominated as the charity champions to come to their rescue! As for Swansea tonight I think they are just unfortunate Brentford have their mojo back tonight as when they are playing like they can do there's no championship side can live with them. The midfield looks decent overall but yes Fulton not been playing great. Mostly it is defensive issues though with them, since Rodon got injured certainly. Roberts looked decent again tonight though. Could we got back to three centre backs again and with wing backs in the Wales set up? That would see Davies back in the centre but who at left wing back? Didn't that Bale lad start there?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 21:53:20 GMT
Showed how far off it the team really was tonight. Can't argue that Fulham and Brentford haven't been much the better sides this season.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 29, 2020 22:19:31 GMT
Hey, George Williams is a good player :-) I'd say he had the potential to be a good player certainly as the talent was there but doesn't look like that potential is being fulfilled, to a large part due to injury issues, to the extent he is looking at struggling for a future in the professional game perhaps. It just makes me chuckle on here every time one of our players is frozen out at their club or struggling to breakthrough Swansea City always get nominated as the charity champions to come to their rescue! As for Swansea tonight I think they are just unfortunate Brentford have their mojo back tonight as when they are playing like they can do there's no championship side can live with them. The midfield looks decent overall but yes Fulton not been playing great. Mostly it is defensive issues though with them, since Rodon got injured certainly. Roberts looked decent again tonight though. Could we got back to three centre backs again and with wing backs in the Wales set up? That would see Davies back in the centre but who at left wing back? Didn't that Bale lad start there?
Hennessey
Mepham Chester Davies
Roberts Bale
Allen
Wilson Ramsey
Brooks Moore James This is how we win the Euros this time round! Bale would retire from internationals if Giggs suggested he play at left back |
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Post by cadno on Jul 29, 2020 22:28:00 GMT
I'd say he had the potential to be a good player certainly as the talent was there but doesn't look like that potential is being fulfilled, to a large part due to injury issues, to the extent he is looking at struggling for a future in the professional game perhaps. It just makes me chuckle on here every time one of our players is frozen out at their club or struggling to breakthrough Swansea City always get nominated as the charity champions to come to their rescue! As for Swansea tonight I think they are just unfortunate Brentford have their mojo back tonight as when they are playing like they can do there's no championship side can live with them. The midfield looks decent overall but yes Fulton not been playing great. Mostly it is defensive issues though with them, since Rodon got injured certainly. Roberts looked decent again tonight though. Could we got back to three centre backs again and with wing backs in the Wales set up? That would see Davies back in the centre but who at left wing back? Didn't that Bale lad start there?
Hennessey
Mepham Chester Davies
Roberts Bale
Allen
Wilson Ramsey
Brooks Moore James This is how we win the Euros this time round! Bale would retire from internationals if Giggs suggested he play at left back He would put good crosses in but you want our top goalscorer of all time in and around the box really! |
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Post by dai on Jul 29, 2020 22:38:07 GMT
Well its not a terrible idea. Speed played at LB when younger, then developed into a left sided attaacking midfielder, before shifting back into a LB role during the latter stages of his career. Could Bale’s career follow a similar path?
So certainly not impossible, but does Bale still have the fitness to play in what is quite a physically demanding role in modern football?
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Post by barry on Jul 29, 2020 22:47:35 GMT
Hey, George Williams is a good player :-)
Mepham Chester Davies
Roberts Bale
Allen
Wilson Ramsey
Brooks Moore James
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Post by wirralwelsh on Jul 30, 2020 0:28:08 GMT
Well we'd certainly not be dull to watch! I think after another year getting splinters on the Real bench Bale should welcome the opportunity to bound down the touchline to his heart's content.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 30, 2020 8:53:54 GMT
Hey, George Williams is a good player :-) I'd say he had the potential to be a good player certainly as the talent was there but doesn't look like that potential is being fulfilled, to a large part due to injury issues, to the extent he is looking at struggling for a future in the professional game perhaps. It just makes me chuckle on here every time one of our players is frozen out at their club or struggling to breakthrough Swansea City always get nominated as the charity champions to come to their rescue! As for Swansea tonight I think they are just unfortunate Brentford have their mojo back tonight as when they are playing like they can do there's no championship side can live with them. The midfield looks decent overall but yes Fulton not been playing great. Mostly it is defensive issues though with them, since Rodon got injured certainly. Roberts looked decent again tonight though. Could we got back to three centre backs again and with wing backs in the Wales set up? That would see Davies back in the centre but who at left wing back? Didn't that Bale lad start there?
Hennessey
Mepham Chester Davies
Roberts Bale
Allen
Wilson Ramsey
Brooks Moore James This is how we win the Euros this time round! Play with 12 players? Interesting tactic - not sure we'll get away with it on Europe's biggest stage though. In all seriousness I think the 5 at the back option should be considered as a plan B just in case. Couple of things though. 1) Davies wouldn't have to play at CB though as we have a choice between; Rodon, Mepham, Cabango, Chester, Ash, Lockyer. Davies would be our wing back. 2) If we're playing 5 back, Neco is even more likely to get in our team as he is better going forward and 3 CBs provide stability behind him. 3) We played with a flat two across the middle (that's where you snuck the extra player in). Meaning it would just be Allen-Ampadu there 4) Dan James is more likely to make a decent wingback than Bale at this point. Bale openly admits he hates defending. 5) If you play a front three with Moore as the target man that leaves Ramsey & Bale for the two floating 10 roles, meaning Brooks etc. would miss out. 6) The alternative to this last point is playing Bale as a 9 with Brooks/Ramsey behind - something I hope do try again when all are fit to do so. Ultimately, I think a 5 at the back is more likely to look like this as of next summer; Hennessey Neco-Mepham-Cabango-Rodon-Davies Allen-Ampadu Ramsey-Bale Moore Although could easily be Ramsey-Bale-Brooks if it works. Still think 4-2-3-1 suits our squad much better as I'd favour a front 4 of... Brooks-Ramsey-Bale Moore If all are fit |
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Post by texan on Jul 30, 2020 8:53:58 GMT
Hey, George Williams is a good player :-) I'd say he had the potential to be a good player certainly as the talent was there but doesn't look like that potential is being fulfilled, to a large part due to injury issues, to the extent he is looking at struggling for a future in the professional game perhaps. It just makes me chuckle on here every time one of our players is frozen out at their club or struggling to breakthrough Swansea City always get nominated as the charity champions to come to their rescue! As for Swansea tonight I think they are just unfortunate Brentford have their mojo back tonight as when they are playing like they can do there's no championship side can live with them. The midfield looks decent overall but yes Fulton not been playing great. Mostly it is defensive issues though with them, since Rodon got injured certainly. Roberts looked decent again tonight though. Could we got back to three centre backs again and with wing backs in the Wales set up? That would see Davies back in the centre but who at left wing back? Didn't that Bale lad start there?
Hennessey
Mepham Chester Davies
Roberts Bale
Allen
Wilson Ramsey
Brooks Moore James This is how we win the Euros this time round! Well...playing with 12 players would certainly give us an advantage! |
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Post by wirralwelsh on Jul 30, 2020 10:03:36 GMT
I'd say he had the potential to be a good player certainly as the talent was there but doesn't look like that potential is being fulfilled, to a large part due to injury issues, to the extent he is looking at struggling for a future in the professional game perhaps. It just makes me chuckle on here every time one of our players is frozen out at their club or struggling to breakthrough Swansea City always get nominated as the charity champions to come to their rescue! As for Swansea tonight I think they are just unfortunate Brentford have their mojo back tonight as when they are playing like they can do there's no championship side can live with them. The midfield looks decent overall but yes Fulton not been playing great. Mostly it is defensive issues though with them, since Rodon got injured certainly. Roberts looked decent again tonight though. Could we got back to three centre backs again and with wing backs in the Wales set up? That would see Davies back in the centre but who at left wing back? Didn't that Bale lad start there?
Hennessey
Mepham Chester Davies
Roberts Bale
Allen
Wilson Ramsey
Brooks Moore James This is how we win the Euros this time round! Well...playing with 12 players would certainly give us an advantage! Oh yes thought it looked too good to be true! Guess Wilson would have to sit that one out then |
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Post by alarch on Jul 30, 2020 10:24:47 GMT
Damn, no Welsh clubs in the prem next year then. Swansea were as comprehensively beaten as Cardiff were the other day. Easy to say in hindsight, and I've only watched swansea a few times this season so I may be wide of the mark, but I thought they played the wrong shape in both games. To be fair, I did say it here after the first game, I know the change in formation had been really effective in the run-in, but it was obvious in the first game that swansea were getting completely overrun in midfield. I can't see swansea making a push next season. If brewster doesn't come back on loan, there's no way they'll find anyone as good to replace him. They will try to move Ayew on, and rightly so because he's not good value for money, but I suspect they won't really splash out on a replacement. And I think their midfield is really poor. Grimes is a good player, but there's no one decent to play alongside him. I don't rate fulton at all, so if I were cooper i would prioritise a deep-lying midfielder along with some firepower up front. A number of very good points, especially regarding the lack of a decent player to play alongside Grimes. I see your point about the shape, but to be honest the wing backs system has worked for better for Swansea than four at the back, and has actually seen the Swans play some football, a novel concept under Cooper's tenure. The opening two goals came from defensive frailties that have been largely absent this season. An unfit Van De Hoorn didn't help. Swansea were deservedly beaten by a superior Brentford side, but the absence of Rodon, Wilmott and Woodman didn't help. With respect to Wales playing with wing backs, I think there's lots to commend it. I couldn't understand why Coleman went with wing-backs at the start of the Euro 2006 campaign. It meant accommodating two wing backs, in Gunter and Taylor, who offered very little going forward - a justified concern as things turned out. But what I didn't appreciate at the time was how solid the formation would make us defensively - reflected in us conceding only 4 goals in qualifying, two of which were soft decisions. How much better would we be now, with two or three genuine wing-backs with attacking credentials in Roberts and Davies, with Neco Williams pushing for a place too? I wouldn't rule out Declan John coming into the picture either, who's a natural for the role, as he showed against China. The downside, as allezlesrouges has alluded to, is it makes it harder to accommodate our attacking talent. But a 3-4-2-1 with Ramsey and Brooks as twin 10s and Bale up front has a lot to commend it in my opinion. It's certainly something we should be experimenting with before the Euros. |
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Jul 30, 2020 11:15:34 GMT
Good team Brentford.
I wonder how long they will hold on t the manager.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 11:16:36 GMT
Don't think Woodman and Wilmot especially were big misses. Mulder's just as good a keeper as Woodman, if a little fragile mentally and shy on his line. Was unfairly dropped last season for a shambolic Nordfeldt, and hasn't had a look in until one of Cooper's precious England boys got injured. Wilmot has had 2 decent games all season. An erratic defender, to put it kindly. Cabango was deservedly ahead of him when everyone was fit.
Wales have to stick with a back 4 for me. Ben Davies playing as he does under Jose as a conservative fullback, allowing the RB on the opposite side to bomb on and join in, and with a proper winger in front providing the attacking width down the left. Wingbacks are for teams with little or no quality in wide forward players, which isn't our situation at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 11:17:12 GMT
Good team Brentford. I wonder how long they will hold on t the manager. Oct/Nov when they sack him. |
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Post by barneycat1 on Aug 6, 2020 20:58:33 GMT
Interesting that Swansea appear to have adopted a much stronger Welsh identity recently. Historically, they've been connected more to a British identity with union jacks at the ground and infamously a small loyalist, far right group who I gather were down in London a couple of months ago to protect Churchill's statue! I know it's always been a mix, with a strong following further west as well, but that's been the perception. Interesting then that over the last decade or so hymns and arias has been one of the main chants. Over these play off games they've plastered the dressing room with welsh flags and apparently they're trying to pump up the players tonight with Yma o hyd and other Welsh classics. Isn't that quite a strange tactic for a predominantly english group of players? Isn't framing it as an england v wales game counterproductive? Or does the fact that lots of the players aren't welsh not really matter because they can respect the fact they're representing a welsh club and what it means for the welsh fans? strange one The BNP lot look an embarrassment. Horrendous how any person with knowledge of Cymru can even slightly support Churc*ill. Yeah glad they’re learning their identity .....slowly. Yeah i should think it’s to create a siege mentality. Hopefully it’s here to stay. Also perhaps the US and Brasil Swansea flags are there to show how ‘big’ the club is. Edit- Scratch what I’ve just said, they’ve a cut-out of Boris Johnson in the dressing room. i’ll support the Welsh players, but not the club. There are 2 union jacks on display on match days at The Liberty. One isn't there most of the time, so it's usually down to one. Then there are a few hundred Welsh flags. Fact. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 18:17:47 GMT
Battered 7-1 by Southampton today in a game of 4 30 minute quarters, although it was 7-0 after 45 minutes with Southampton using their strongest 11 in the first hour. More Welshmen in the Swans second hour side, though. Just saying Mr. Cooper. Woodman Rushesha Naughton Cabango Lewis Bidwell Smith Grimes Dhanda  Benda Roberts B.Cooper Rodon Guehi O.Cooper Fulton Gibbs-White Routledge Cullen Lowe www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDRm0aV4rrYedit: Jack Evans is there at the start as well... Being reported now that we're out of the Category One academy list. Not just the doom-sayers talking about it. Not a surprise, or the end of the world, but still a bit sad. Hopefully it's only down to Cat Two, not further (which would effect the younger age groups the hardest). |
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Aug 29, 2020 18:27:57 GMT
Should Rodon not be in the Welsh squad then? Seems like he's going to play competitively against Newport anyway during the international break?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 18:44:05 GMT
Should Rodon not be in the Welsh squad then? Seems like he's going to play competitively against Newport anyway during the international break? Not sure he's fit enough to be worth bringing along. Don't know if he played our first friendly against Cardiff Met but he's very much working his way back in. If he plays 90 against Newport there might be cause for complaint but not sure that's on the cards even with our lack of options. |
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Aug 29, 2020 19:16:44 GMT
Should Rodon not be in the Welsh squad then? Seems like he's going to play competitively against Newport anyway during the international break? Not sure he's fit enough to be worth bringing along. Don't know if he played our first friendly against Cardiff Met but he's very much working his way back in. If he plays 90 against Newport there might be cause for complaint but not sure that's on the cards even with our lack of options. Who else do you think plays in the game if he can't play? Guehi, Cabango, Joe Lewis and Brandon Cooper are all out on international duty, and it looks like Cooper wants to play a back five. Naughton can and will play on the right side of a three, but not sure we have much if any other options? I guess he can always revert to a back four, although it's definitely not the most comfortable if we're having to play four natural full backs. Rushenga - Naughton - ? - Bidwell - D. John Looking at that, I'd say Rodon needs to play 90 really. Either that, or a kid will have to be thrown in who's behind Joe Lewis and Brandon Cooper in the pecking order who haven't really had much of an opportunity yet themselves. |
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Post by jbt95 on Aug 31, 2020 13:51:23 GMT
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Post by evans1282 on Aug 31, 2020 14:22:28 GMT
This is a big problem for Wales in the future if it continues for any length of time, category 2 just doesn't do it .
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Post by manulike on Sept 19, 2020 14:12:37 GMT
Our defence trio in action. Cullen on for last 10'.
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Oct 16, 2020 14:47:57 GMT
Bit of a mental day in terms of rumours at the Swans.
Linked with:
- Borini (unattached)
- Ryan Manning (QPR) - SSN saying bid accepted
- Ryan Bennett (Wolves)
- Joel Latibeaudiere (Man. City)
- Kasey Palmer (Bristol City)
You'd imagine a few of those deals will rest on whether Joe Rodon leaves Swansea. Only just over an hour for anything to happen though.
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Post by iot on Oct 16, 2020 15:14:22 GMT
Bit of a mental day in terms of rumours at the Swans. Linked with: - Borini (unattached) - Ryan Manning (QPR) - SSN saying bid accepted - Ryan Bennett (Wolves) - Joel Latibeaudiere (Man. City) - Kasey Palmer (Bristol City) You'd imagine a few of those deals will rest on whether Joe Rodon leaves Swansea. Only just over an hour for anything to happen though. I'm annoyed that Tottenham don't rate Rodon to be worth £18m when Godfrey went for up to £30m. Reports that the Swans only want £18m and that is a fair way off Spur's valuation - rumoured to be just £8m! If the Swans accept anything below £15m it will be ridiculous! It's concerning because it appears Tottenham see his signing of ca. £10m as a low-risk gamble, rather than seeing him as a big part of their plans, which will likely mean he won't be a first team player this season |
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Oct 16, 2020 15:36:03 GMT
Bit of a mental day in terms of rumours at the Swans. Linked with: - Borini (unattached) - Ryan Manning (QPR) - SSN saying bid accepted - Ryan Bennett (Wolves) - Joel Latibeaudiere (Man. City) - Kasey Palmer (Bristol City) You'd imagine a few of those deals will rest on whether Joe Rodon leaves Swansea. Only just over an hour for anything to happen though. I'm annoyed that Tottenham don't rate Rodon to be worth £18m when Godfrey went for up to £30m. Reports that the Swans only want £18m and that is a fair way off Spur's valuation - rumoured to be just £8m! If the Swans accept anything below £15m it will be ridiculous! It's concerning because it appears Tottenham see his signing of ca. £10m as a low-risk gamble, rather than seeing him as a big part of their plans, which will likely mean he won't be a first team player this season I think Spurs will value him at £18 million, I just think they know that we'll fold and accept a poor offer. I've got the feeling Levy is going to rob the Swans blind today. I don't think it necessarily means they won't see him as a first team player, they went in for him on deadline day because they wanted him as part of their Europa League squad but couldn't agree a fee. I just think they see it as good value for money. They've signed Doherty and Hojbjerg for less and they're regular first team players. |
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Post by manulike on Nov 3, 2020 21:06:56 GMT
Connor robbed of a pen in second half and then robbed of an assist right at the death.
#Shocking.ref
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Post by barry on Nov 3, 2020 21:57:55 GMT
Another great performance. Looking good. Ayew did look offside and didn't complain much.
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