Joe Rodon

[vaulksthrowfanclub]

Feb 4, 2021 20:08:09 GMT erasedcitizen said:

Disappointing that he's been dropped, but right now Toby is probably their best defender and Dier is Mourinho's golden boy. In a back 2 Rodon is probably just behind them in the pecking order.

I suspect that won't be the case for long however.

I should hope not. Criminal how Tottenham/Jose have handled his transfer were he not frequently playing PL football given he’s out of the Europa League squad.

The EL would have been ideal for bedding Rodon in if Jose didn’t think he was quite ready yet.

[iot]

Talk of him nailing a starting spot appears to have been premature, again...

[hooky]

He made mistakes but playing for a no risk manager such as Mourinho is probably the worst thing for their development that a young player can do, especially at centre back.

Think Mourinho adds unnecesssary pressure on players at times - maybe this works for some players, but its difficult to see how it works for young players.

Nevertheless Joe did have a 'small' chance to grab a starting spot - he may know be stuck on the becnh with Bale for the rest of the season.

[allezlesrouges]

Nah I just think that without Reguilon, Mourinho has realised he can't play a wing-back formation, so has reverted to a back 4. In a back 4 Rodon is not a guaranteed starter, but in a back 3 I'd say he's still likely to start most games

It looked like Mourinho was going to be using a back 5 moving forwards, but I think he's re-evaluated that with Reguilon's injury

[hal]

You’ve got to remember Spurs are in europa league too. Joe and Gareth will get plenty of game time between now and euros.

[marsvolta]

Feb 8, 2021 5:28:49 GMT hal said:

You’ve got to remember Spurs are in europa league too. Joe and Gareth will get plenty of game time between now and euros.

I don’t think that Joe is in the Europa squad

Mourinho said he’s sticking with the original Europa squad from before he signed.

[alarch]

You may be right, but I thought he couldn't play in the Europa League during the group stage, but could in the knock-out phase.

[allezlesrouges]

Feb 9, 2021 9:58:23 GMT alarch said:

You may be right, but I thought he couldn't play in the Europa League during the group stage, but could in the knock-out phase.

He could have, but Mourinho didn't include him in that squad. Was discussed a bit earlier on in this thread I believe

[robin1864]

It's likely going to be Spurs only route into the Champions League next season. He might pick up a few games in the league or cups, but I can't see Mourinho risking a chance at the CL next season to give Joe a run out.

[erasedcitizen]

It might not be overly ideal for our Euros prep, but I wasn't expecting Joe to establish himself in the starting XI fully this season, or at least this early on. I'm sure next year he'll form a more integral part of the squad.

Spurs fans appear to rate him, even after a few mistakes. Alderweireld isn't getting any younger and is injury prone, and I would expect Rodon to surpass Mourinho's golden boy Eric Dier ability-wise soon enough. Rodon is already ahead of Sanchez in the pecking order I would think so it's just those 2 standing in the way.

[walesgolfmadrid]

Feb 9, 2021 10:49:43 GMT robin1864 said:

It's likely going to be Spurs only route into the Champions League next season. He might pick up a few games in the league or cups, but I can't see Mourinho risking a chance at the CL next season to give Joe a run out.

It's not down to him not wanting to risk him, or him not thinking he's good enough. He's just sticking with the same squad that played the groups. Dele Alli made it, despite not being trusted at all by Jose.

[allezlesrouges]

Feb 9, 2021 10:58:09 GMT erasedcitizen said:

It might not be overly ideal for our Euros prep, but I wasn't expecting Joe to establish himself in the starting XI fully this season, or at least this early on. I'm sure next year he'll form a more integral part of the squad.

Spurs fans appear to rate him, even after a few mistakes. Alderweireld isn't getting any younger and is injury prone, and I would expect Rodon to surpass Mourinho's golden boy Eric Dier ability-wise soon enough. Rodon is already ahead of Sanchez in the pecking order I would think so it's just those 2 standing in the way.

Also look how shagged Liverpool's players look at the moment. Tons of games still to go and they are playing like shadows of themselves. England must be cursing the fact that TAA & Henderson are playing every minute, same as Scotland for Robertson. Spurs will probably over use Kane as well. Our players being rotation is a blessing in disguise I feel

[hal]

Feb 8, 2021 6:50:04 GMT marsvolta said:

Feb 8, 2021 5:28:49 GMT hal said:

You’ve got to remember Spurs are in europa league too. Joe and Gareth will get plenty of game time between now and euros.

I don’t think that Joe is in the Europa squad

Mourinho said he’s sticking with the original Europa squad from before he signed.

I didn’t know that, disappointing for Joe! Considering he can’t play in league cup final either.

[iot]

Unless there's an injury that hasn't been reported anywhere in the news, Joe Rodon isn't even making the matchday squad for spurs these days. Add that to the fact that he wasn't included in the Europa squad. I'm not overly worried medium to long term, but it's not ideal at all going into the euros! It's a weird one, because he wasn't dropped after the howler against liverpool. He played in the following game against brighton where he was partially at fault for their goal (but nothing major), and didn't do anything else wrong in that game, so it's strange that Mourinho's completely discarded him after that, having actually defended and praised him after the liverpool game.

[vaulksthrowfanclub]

Feb 21, 2021 11:16:59 GMT iot said:

Unless there's an injury that hasn't been reported anywhere in the news, Joe Rodon isn't even making the matchday squad for spurs these days. Add that to the fact that he wasn't included in the Europa squad. I'm not overly worried medium to long term, but it's not ideal at all going into the euros! It's a weird one, because he wasn't dropped after the howler against liverpool. He played in the following game against brighton where he was partially at fault for their goal (but nothing major), and didn't do anything else wrong in that game, so it's strange that Mourinho's completely discarded him after that, having actually defended and praised him after the liverpool game.

Yeah I’m concerned I must admit. I really hope now Reguilon is back, Jose switches to a 3 at the back soon and that Jose trusts Rodon more in a 3 than a 2. It’s a really annoying situation right now, as we haven’t even a reason as to why Joe has been excluded entirely.

[dai]

Hard to turn down a move to the PL these days when you're a young player, but he really should have considered staying at Swansea for one more season. Completely wasted his talent since joining Spurs and stunting his development.

[walesgolfmadrid]

Spurs have lost four of their last five league games. They're already one nil down, Dier blamed for the goal. Mourinho I guess going for more experienced players.

Ultimately it's not huge cause for concern, although disappointing. They're playing four at the back, so today they've favoured Sanchez, Dier and Alderweireld over him.

I don't know how much longer Mourinho will be there. Fans aren't happy with the style of play, or the results. He needs to win a trophy this season to justify the football, and league results.

[robin1864]

I think he's done well to get the amount of games he's had so far, and he hasn't performed badly, either.

Offering a bit of perspective, he's joined one of the biggest clubs in England from Swansea, he was never going to walk into the team no matter how good we think he is.

[iot]

Feb 21, 2021 14:31:53 GMT robin1864 said:

I think he's done well to get the amount of games he's had so far, and he hasn't performed badly, either.

Offering a bit of perspective, he's joined one of the biggest clubs in England from Swansea, he was never going to walk into the team no matter how good we think he is.

I don't disagree with that and I'm not naive enough to think he's a victim of some form of anti-Welsh bias. Just making the point that it's not ideal for our euros preparation! 

[robin1864]

Feb 21, 2021 16:08:36 GMT iot said:

Feb 21, 2021 14:31:53 GMT robin1864 said:

I think he's done well to get the amount of games he's had so far, and he hasn't performed badly, either.

Offering a bit of perspective, he's joined one of the biggest clubs in England from Swansea, he was never going to walk into the team no matter how good we think he is.

I don't disagree with that and I'm not naive enough to think he's a victim of some form of anti-Welsh bias. Just making the point that it's not ideal for our euros preparation! 

I'll agree it's not ideal, I think our lads should only consider big moves if they're well-established and likely to be starters like prime Bale or Ramsey, or join clubs where there is a very reasonable chance of becoming a first team player, like Brooks at Bournemouth.

James to United has largely been a disaster, and I think he'd have been better off under Bielsa at Leeds.

[erasedcitizen]

Spurs fans calling for him and Alderweireld to come in for the back 2 who started today. Good to have the fans on side at least.

[erasedcitizen]

Feb 21, 2021 11:59:31 GMT dai said:

Hard to turn down a move to the PL these days when you're a young player, but he really should have considered staying at Swansea for one more season. Completely wasted his talent since joining Spurs and stunting his development.

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Under Mourinho he'll be learning far more than he could at Swansea.

Be patient, this isn't ideal for our Euros prep but once he becomes a regular in that side (which shouldn't be long) he will show us why moving there was the right decision.

[iot]

What the hell's going on? No news on an injury. I can't see any reasons given on why he's not making the bench even.

[erasedcitizen]

Spurs fans seem concerned too. He definitely has the quality.

[iot]

So it looks like he's fifth choice now with Tanganga on the bench ahead o him today, who's been awful every time I've watched him

[walesgolfmadrid]

Mar 4, 2021 17:07:14 GMT iot said:

So it looks like he's fifth choice now with Tanganga on the bench ahead o him today, who's been awful every time I've watched him

Tanganga is a lot more versatile than Joey, and able to play at right back and left back as well as centre-back, so it make sense in terms of cover. 

[dai]

What an absolute waste of a move this was.

For a player who was fast becoming our no1 centre back this is very worrying and frustrating. Dier and Sanchez are both awful players.

He's 23 as well so hardly a young up and coming player. The guy needs to be playing games now, maybe a loan move on the cards after this season hopefully.

[hooky]

Annoying to say the least!

Dier is truly dire as a centre back

Sanchez is error prone - tonight he nearly gave a goal away

The worst thing is Sanchez is only 24. I really don't see why Rodon should be viewed as the apprentice to him. I know who I would rather have in a Welsh shirt come the Euros

Unfortunately he will waste the rest of the season as we know what Jose is like.

[allezlesrouges]

Everyone was saying the same about Bale being outcast earlier this month, it all changes very quickly with Jose

Perhaps it's a bit of tough love to make him work really hard to improve & get up to Premier League speed. Jose stated that he liked his mentality, I doubt he's 360'd on that

Given how.poor Spurs's defence is, I'm convinced he will work his way back in to the reckoning before long

[iot]

Mar 5, 2021 11:31:24 GMT allezlesrouges said:

Everyone was saying the same about Bale being outcast earlier this month, it all changes very quickly with Jose

Perhaps it's a bit of tough love to make him work really hard to improve & get up to Premier League speed. Jose stated that he liked his mentality, I doubt he's 360'd on that

Given how.poor Spurs's defence is, I'm convinced he will work his way back in to the reckoning before long

Yes, but if I remember correctly, I think you also suggested earlier last month that Rodon had established himself in the first team. As always, there's a spectrum of opinion on here from the ridiculously cynical/pessimistic to the naively optimistic with the truth somewhere in between.

I'm not at all concerned about Rodon in the long term, my only co corn is his sharpness going into world cup qualifiers and the euros. I very much doubt Jose is trying to make a point by leaving him out because it's well documented how dedicated rodon is, how he stays in training way longer than everyone else. So Jose would know he doesn't need a kick up the backside, he probably just doesn't think he's good enough yet