Joe Rodon

[spiritof16]

Started today v Lorient. Currently halftime and 0-0

[flutterdinho]

Home loss on his debut but the fans seem happy with him on Twitter, strong debut by all accounts.

[bobbyghoul]

First 90mins at club level in ages. Decent league too, this could be good for Joe.

[morg]

Saw about 15 minutes of the game. Played in a back 4 with another new signing Arthur Theate who played for Belgium against us. Didn't have a lot to do from the little I saw but Rennes looked like a decent side. Was surprised to see they'd lost. Think it's a decent move for him.

[allezlesrouges]

[welshwhite]

Watched the whole game and Joe was utterly imperious throughout. It was a bad day for Rennes, giving the ball away repeatedly in the upper third, and looking uncharacteristically toothless in attack, but Joe was not responsible in any way for the Lorient goal. He looked composed and every inch the international CB we know he can be. He was organising the Rennes back four, pointing and talking throughout. Very impressive debut. I agree this will be a great loan move for Joe.

[jimexotic]

This sounds very encouraging, I always thought he just needed a run of games in any side and his qualities would shine through. He's fearless and he loves defending, he said that he gets a real buzz from defending, the physical side of it, stopping attacks, you're always going to do well eventually if that's your mindset.

[hooky]

What am I missing with him?

Seems he was an unused sub for Rennes today.

Has he already lost his place? Rennes for goodness sake?

[caeboy]

There's some suggestion that his backpass that indirectly lead to Rennes conceding last week has led to him being dropped, others suggesting that he doesn't suit risk taking Rennes style of play, others suggesting that he needs to time to come up to speed including with the language. It's frustrating either way.

[hooky]

He cannot afford to waste his time at a club going nowhere.

I hope there is a clause that allows him to escape quickly if he occupies the subs bench on a permanent basis. This is not what he needs.

[jbt95]

Aug 21, 2022 20:17:50 GMT hooky said:

He cannot afford to waste his time at a club going nowhere.

I hope there is a clause that allows him to escape quickly if he occupies the subs bench on a permanent basis. This is not what he needs.

He’d be there until January at least?

[iot]

Aug 21, 2022 19:13:12 GMT hooky said:

What am I missing with him?

Seems he was an unused sub for Rennes today.

Has he already lost his place? Rennes for goodness sake?

Time for a reality check maybe? Pretty sure this is the third or fourth time you've asked 'What am I missing with him?' in the last couple of years, with 4 or 5 managers not selecting him. Another poster summed it up pretty well in another thread - he's just not at the level many Welsh fans seem to think he is. I can think of loads of examples where he's been found out at international level, but because he also makes 3 or 4 heroic blocks or last ditch tackles he doesn't get the criticism others would. As another said, his positioning is often questionable, and his decision-making can be poor - there's been so many times where he's tried to be aggressive and rushed up with a CF, only for the ball to be played around him and for them to be through on goal. He had a brain fart against the Dutch where he rushed over to block an angle mepham was already covering, only for their player to turn the other way and bend one in around him. On top of that, he's not of the required standard on the ball. He's still our best centre back and in my view, with the right team, a decent premier league player. But he's far from the world beater some fans seem to have thought. 

[melynwy]

Aug 22, 2022 10:29:46 GMT iot said:

Aug 21, 2022 19:13:12 GMT hooky said:

What am I missing with him?

Seems he was an unused sub for Rennes today.

Has he already lost his place? Rennes for goodness sake?

Time for a reality check maybe? Pretty sure this is the third or fourth time you've asked 'What am I missing with him?' in the last couple of years, with 4 or 5 managers not selecting him. Another poster summed it up pretty well in another thread - he's just not at the level many Welsh fans seem to think he is. I can think of loads of examples where he's been found out at international level, but because he also makes 3 or 4 heroic blocks or last ditch tackles he doesn't get the criticism others would. As another said, his positioning is often questionable, and his decision-making can be poor - there's been so many times where he's tried to be aggressive and rushed up with a CF, only for the ball to be played around him and for them to be through on goal. He had a brain fart against the Dutch where he rushed over to block an angle mepham was already covering, only for their player to turn the other way and bend one in around him. On top of that, he's not of the required standard on the ball. He's still our best centre back and in my view, with the right team, a decent premier league player. But he's far from the world beater some fans seem to have thought. 

I agree. 'Heroic' last ditch blocks are usually required to cover up for previous bad positioning. The very best, like Maldini, rarely needed to make a sliding tackle or get down on the floor because their initial positioning were spot on. And when they did have to to it, it was usually to cover the bad positioning of another player (like Ben Davies often has to do for us)

Same goes with goalkeepers. The very best don't need to fly around so much because they're already standing in the right place. Good goalkeepers appear to have more shots "straight at them". A lesser keeper may well let the shot in, but their full length flying dive would make it look like a worldie there was nothing they could have done about. *cough* see Nainggolan v Hennessey in the Euro 16 quarter final... Quite possible that same shot would have been "straight at" Manuel Neuer...    *cough*

[insertname]

Aug 22, 2022 10:29:46 GMT iot said:

Aug 21, 2022 19:13:12 GMT hooky said:

What am I missing with him?

Seems he was an unused sub for Rennes today.

Has he already lost his place? Rennes for goodness sake?

Time for a reality check maybe? Pretty sure this is the third or fourth time you've asked 'What am I missing with him?' in the last couple of years, with 4 or 5 managers not selecting him. Another poster summed it up pretty well in another thread - he's just not at the level many Welsh fans seem to think he is. I can think of loads of examples where he's been found out at international level, but because he also makes 3 or 4 heroic blocks or last ditch tackles he doesn't get the criticism others would. As another said, his positioning is often questionable, and his decision-making can be poor - there's been so many times where he's tried to be aggressive and rushed up with a CF, only for the ball to be played around him and for them to be through on goal. He had a brain fart against the Dutch where he rushed over to block an angle mepham was already covering, only for their player to turn the other way and bend one in around him. On top of that, he's not of the required standard on the ball. He's still our best centre back and in my view, with the right team, a decent premier league player. But he's far from the world beater some fans seem to have thought. 

I’m always suspicious of players known for numerous heroic blocks, it’s often symptomatic of poor positioning/reading of the game in the build up. James Collins was a good example of this.

[njdragon]

Aug 22, 2022 10:29:46 GMT iot said:

Aug 21, 2022 19:13:12 GMT hooky said:

What am I missing with him?

Seems he was an unused sub for Rennes today.

Has he already lost his place? Rennes for goodness sake?

Time for a reality check maybe? Pretty sure this is the third or fourth time you've asked 'What am I missing with him?' in the last couple of years, with 4 or 5 managers not selecting him. Another poster summed it up pretty well in another thread - he's just not at the level many Welsh fans seem to think he is. I can think of loads of examples where he's been found out at international level, but because he also makes 3 or 4 heroic blocks or last ditch tackles he doesn't get the criticism others would. As another said, his positioning is often questionable, and his decision-making can be poor - there's been so many times where he's tried to be aggressive and rushed up with a CF, only for the ball to be played around him and for them to be through on goal. He had a brain fart against the Dutch where he rushed over to block an angle mepham was already covering, only for their player to turn the other way and bend one in around him. On top of that, he's not of the required standard on the ball. He's still our best centre back and in my view, with the right team, a decent premier league player. But he's far from the world beater some fans seem to have thought. 

Those 4 or 5 managers not selecting him are for the majority the same managers who bought him, brought him through the ranks and took him on loan. They obviously saw enough to play him for Swansea (cooper and potter), buy him for spurs and then take him to Rennes. Good enough for page too.

I dont think anyone has ever seen him as a world beater but regular for swansea - couldnt break through in a top 5 team (hardly a surprise) and now been dropped for a game or 2. He's only 24 and he has 28 caps to his name.

Probably not good enough for Tottenham but too good for a good Swansea side - he falls in the middle somewhere which is good enough for wales.

[talyfan]

Only been there a couple of weeks, I think it'd be fair to cut him some slack a bit give at least a month or two. In the grand scheme of things given his age he's not actually played much regular first team domestic football, it's not suprising to me see some of the errors. I certainly feel he's too emotional and rash when he plays but with a run of games he could hopefully iron that out.

He's not particularly had that where he's played. Between being injured at Swansea and not favoured at Spurs.
The vibe always got with Rodon at Spurs is he was sort of on the cusp of the first team when he started there. Too useful to be loaned out somewhere else in case someone got injured so he could fill in if required. Where in an ideal world he should've been playing week in week out.

[llan123]

I don't think he's as good as some welsh fans think he is but to be honest you could say that about 95% of our players, if every player, particularly the younger players, were as good as some of our fans made out we would have won the World Cup several times over by now.

I'm glad Rodon went to Spurs from the Swans and have a good go at it, I think he's always going to be destined for 4th choice there though, he probably would have been kept on to play in the Europa or Conference league had they not got in the champions league.

It's a big season for him, if he plays well over there then he can pick up a contract at a top Championship club for sure. For him to start regularly in the premier league would take him to come up with a side I think, the money being splashed around now in the PL is obscene and lower premier league teams now have the pick of players who even play for Champions league sides outside of the massive club., I just cant see him getting in anywhere under these circumstances.

[welshwhite]

Really surprised if he's been dropped on the basis of that back pass alone, I fail to see how a rookie 19 year old sub keeper inexplicably turning across his own goal in the six yard area and trying to dribble the ball away from Embolo could be in anyway attributed to Joe when he'd made himself available for a simple return pass and Arthur Theate was in bags of space on the left to receive the ball as well. Theate scored an own goal against Lorient and wasn't sanctioned the way Joe has been if this is indeed the case. Having said that moments later Joe missed a bread and butter header that almost gifted Monaco a winner.
Shame because I thought he looked really comfortable against Lorient.

[morg]

Rodon who moved to the French side this month with a €20million (£16.8m) option for them to buy him permanently, was benched with Rennes boss Bruno Genesio instead selecting young defender Loic Bade.

Genesio explained his decision after the game: "Loic has shown a good level in training since the beginning of his preparation. Joe arrived late, and didn't play much with Tottenham. I found him this week in training, maybe a little less fresh physically and mentally.

"It's not related to his performance at all, far from it. I found it on the two matches rather reassuring too. I observe what I see in training, and Loic deserved to start."

[CrackityJones]

Classic Apostle over reaction right there

[underwood]

He’s back in the starting line-up tonight.

[iot]

Good news: back in the first xi.
Bad news: just had an absolute howler for their second goal. That won't go down well.

He was very solid in the first half, but that was a shocker

[Deleted]

i think the truth is some of our younger player who have been coming through just are not as good as we would have hoped our wanted them to be,apart from brooks and neco

[llan123]

Just had a quick search of his name on twitter, brutal.

[talyfan]

streamja.com/embed/nzkMB

Link to said error

[hooky]

it was not horrific but he should have lashed it away. tried to be too clever, had a little stumble and too late to do anything.

its one he will learn from

[dai]

Watched it after the comments on here and on Twitter. Yes, a bit slow and got caught out, but not a howler or anything terribly dramatic.

Seems like he's become an easy target for some on here and beyond after his spell at Tottenham.

[ddirpytnop]

I was surprised when I saw the footage. Joe should certainly have done better. But it's not what I would call a howlee.

[bobbyghoul]

Aug 28, 2022 17:43:57 GMT ddirpytnop said:

I was surprised when I saw the footage. Joe should certainly have done better. But it's not what I would call a howlee.

He does everything right up until the point he has to touch the ball. Which us quite an important moment to he fair.

[morg]

Started and scored v Brest tonight