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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 12:49:29 GMT
Result first. Performance second. Cardiff haven’t got a strong enough squad and Warnock doesn’t keep clubs in the top flight.
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 17, 2018 13:05:45 GMT
Result first. Performance second. Cardiff haven’t got a strong enough squad and Warnock doesn’t keep clubs in the top flight. I'd rather we had a go at sides and performed well than just sit back and take a beating |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Sept 17, 2018 13:18:54 GMT
Can't see them getting 30 points this time. Bunch of cloggers. Bringing nothing to the league, again. That goal they scored robbed me of a clean sheet in FPL! |
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Post by iot on Sept 17, 2018 16:47:32 GMT
Still early days but they definitely have the weakest squad on paper, so it's going to be a big ask
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Post by pendragon on Sept 17, 2018 21:36:29 GMT
Apart from the Arsenal game and the first quarter of the Chelsea game, I don't see an awful lot of fight going on. It is as if they are just content with being in the Premiership!
I appreciate that some of their opening fixtures haven't been the easiest but they are soon going to have to change tact if they want to remain in the Premier League next season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 7:43:52 GMT
Result first. Performance second. Cardiff haven’t got a strong enough squad and Warnock doesn’t keep clubs in the top flight. I'd rather we had a go at sides and performed well than just sit back and take a beating You've got to be pragmatic about these things. No point playing like Barcelona when you don't have the players to do so. Warnock failed to keep Notts County, Sheffield United, QPR and Crystal Palace in the top flight. He either took them down again or didn't look like he could do it and was replaced. |
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Post by welshiron on Sept 18, 2018 8:00:54 GMT
Some players are very good championship players but struggle in the premier league.
History shows Warnock is the managers equivalent, he knows the championship inside out but is out of his depth at a higher level.
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Post by pendragon on Sept 18, 2018 12:55:33 GMT
Look at some of the little teams playing attacking football and look at where they now are in the premiership - such as Bournemouth and Watford.
They do have good players but no Mané, Salah or Firmino among them and yet they're in the top six.
I think Cardiff need to show a bit more fight than they have recently done. That Arsenal game was a close shave and they could have gone on to win it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 13:45:31 GMT
Bournemouth and Watford have been in the top flight for more than one season. It's very much a learning curve.
There's something like five or six clubs who've been ever present (I can't be bothered to work it out) and that's it. Maybe half of all League clubs have had a spell in the Premier League.
Cardiff can yo yo for a few years. Retaining status this season will be a huge achievement.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Sept 18, 2018 14:13:20 GMT
they quite welcome taking our record for points in premier if they want but cant see anybody being as bad as we were.
look below Cardiff there is burnley and Newcastle, a run of 2-3 games and they could move up the table.
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Post by jbt95 on Sept 18, 2018 14:17:58 GMT
Bournemouth and Watford have been in the top flight for more than one season. It's very much a learning curve. There's something like five or six clubs who've been ever present (I can't be bothered to work it out) and that's it. Maybe half of all League clubs have had a spell in the Premier League. Cardiff can yo yo for a few years. Retaining status this season will be a huge achievement. You are right in saying 6. All the big 6 apart from Man City, and Everton. Of the remaining 14 only Bournemouth & Huddersfield haven't been relegated. |
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Post by pendragon on Sept 18, 2018 16:58:12 GMT
Bournemouth and Watford have been in the top flight for more than one season. It's very much a learning curve. There's something like five or six clubs who've been ever present (I can't be bothered to work it out) and that's it. Maybe half of all League clubs have had a spell in the Premier League. Cardiff can yo yo for a few years. Retaining status this season will be a huge achievement. But then there's Burnley who had a very good season last year and are now in the relegation zone (although that could very well change). Even West Ham are struggling. So seniority is no guarantee of success. I do agree that if Cardiff managed to hold on, it would be a great achievement. Even better from a Welsh footballing perspective, if Swansea City joined them at the end of the season. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 19, 2018 21:37:44 GMT
I'd rather we had a go at sides and performed well than just sit back and take a beating You've got to be pragmatic about these things. No point playing like Barcelona when you don't have the players to do so. Warnock failed to keep Notts County, Sheffield United, QPR and Crystal Palace in the top flight. He either took them down again or didn't look like he could do it and was replaced. Our squad is the weakest on paper, we have the lowest wage bill and our squad cost the least. According to all the ways that people figure out how you'll fare, that guarantees 20th position, so what's the point sticking 11 men behind the ball for a season and going down, rather than going down swinging? Warnock realised this after the results against Newcastle & Huddersfield, defending and siting back won't work, committing men forward almost got us a draw against Arsenal and we were in the game at Chelsea (Reid had just grazed the post) before Bamba had a moment of madness If we go down, it isn't a failure |
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Post by majorraglan on Sept 19, 2018 23:18:16 GMT
Personally I don’t think Cardiff are good enough to stay up, but you never know.
I believe Cardiff had debts in excess of £100m and this was after Vincent Tan converted some of the debt owed to him in to equity. Running the club on a tight budget will enable the Tan to reduce that debt to a more sustainable level, or even pay it off after a season or two if costs can be kept down and the parachute payments still coming in. If I were Tan, I would try to make the team competitive but also accept there was a high chance of being relegated. Keeping the costs down will mean that if the club is relegated (which I think they will be) Warnock will be able to retain most of the squad with a view to having a good go at bouncing back up to the Premier League. Love him or loathe him, Warnock has shown he knows how to get clubs out of the Championship and once the debt is repaid its a different ball game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 7:42:21 GMT
You've got to be pragmatic about these things. No point playing like Barcelona when you don't have the players to do so. Warnock failed to keep Notts County, Sheffield United, QPR and Crystal Palace in the top flight. He either took them down again or didn't look like he could do it and was replaced. Our squad is the weakest on paper, we have the lowest wage bill and our squad cost the least. According to all the ways that people figure out how you'll fare, that guarantees 20th position, so what's the point sticking 11 men behind the ball for a season and going down, rather than going down swinging? Warnock realised this after the results against Newcastle & Huddersfield, defending and siting back won't work, committing men forward almost got us a draw against Arsenal and we were in the game at Chelsea (Reid had just grazed the post) before Bamba had a moment of madness If we go down, it isn't a failure So why turn up if you're already resigned to defeat all season? That'd finish me. |
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Post by welshiron on Sept 20, 2018 7:50:47 GMT
They aren't resigned to going down, they have just cut their cloth accordingly.
I'm not sure Cardiff has the lowest wage bill as I can't imagine Huddersfield being any higher.
What Warnock has done is realised that no matter what he did relegation would be a strong possibility. He has therefore signed players who can get them back up Next season if they go down.
He has also given a group of players a chance at top level football which they never expected and is Hoping this will be enough to keep them up.
I would imagine if they are still in touch in January you will see a couple of players coming in, probably on loan.
Personally stand by my prediction of less than 30 points but you never know, two wins on the bounce, confidence rises and so do performances.
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 20, 2018 12:15:15 GMT
Our squad is the weakest on paper, we have the lowest wage bill and our squad cost the least. According to all the ways that people figure out how you'll fare, that guarantees 20th position, so what's the point sticking 11 men behind the ball for a season and going down, rather than going down swinging? Warnock realised this after the results against Newcastle & Huddersfield, defending and siting back won't work, committing men forward almost got us a draw against Arsenal and we were in the game at Chelsea (Reid had just grazed the post) before Bamba had a moment of madness If we go down, it isn't a failure So why turn up if you're already resigned to defeat all season? That'd finish me. I didn't say I was resigned to defeat, I said I'd rather we actually went for it rather than just stick 11 behind the ball and hope for a lucky bounce off of a set piece |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 12:29:47 GMT
Constant defeats all season will do nothing but demoralise the club. Relegation can shock to its core and picking yourself up again after such a terrible time is difficult. The fans will begin to drift away too. I assume season ticket sales improved?
The only thing I care about here is Welsh football holding its own in the top flight. I made an effort to watch both South Wales derbies a few seasons back and was awash with pride.
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Post by captaincabbages on Sept 20, 2018 13:16:58 GMT
We are all realistic about this season. Anything other than relegation would be a massive bonus as we are not ready to compete at this level yet. The fact we are even here at all is down to one man and we all right behind him.
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Post by manulike on Sept 20, 2018 19:34:37 GMT
Roll on Manchester City, I say :-)
I'll be in the Canton for the first time ... as they were the only tickets left ;-(
Will keep my expensive jewelry at home ;-)
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Post by welshiron on Sept 21, 2018 6:32:10 GMT
I will be at a Welsh league game myself, and an u14s girls game on Sunday.
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Post by richierich333 on Sept 21, 2018 7:35:43 GMT
Quite miraculously we have doing absolutely nothing and yet we are STILL outside the relegation zone. I think we may just bloody well pull this off. If we can draw at home to Man City it would be massive. We have Burnley at home then which is both winnable and a six pointer. All the other teams down there are doing us massive favours and we need all the luck/help we can get.
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Post by cymroircarn on Sept 21, 2018 7:51:35 GMT
Quite miraculously we have doing absolutely nothing and yet we are STILL outside the relegation zone. I think we may just bloody well pull this off. If we can draw at home to Man City it would be massive. We have Burnley at home then which is both winnable and a six pointer. All the other teams down there are doing us massive favours and we need all the luck/help we can get. Burnley is a must win. If Cardiff are to stay up they must finish above teams like Burnley. That for me is the biggest challenge. No more West Broms, Sunderland, Palace have got their act together. I can see Huddersfield finishing in the bottom three. Cardiff need to finish above them and 2 others. |
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Post by welshiron on Sept 26, 2018 10:56:16 GMT
How many points would Cardiff fans have expected by now. Think 4 - 6 points probably so not too far behind the eight ball.
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Post by richierich333 on Sept 26, 2018 11:35:40 GMT
Some missed opportunities for sure so far. We should have beaten Newcastle and possibly drew with Arsenal. Hopefully we will beat Burnley in the next game which is a realistic chance of 3 points.
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Post by pendragon on Sept 26, 2018 11:47:31 GMT
I reckon Cardiff City might only start getting themselves into gear towards the end of the season. A few teams were hovering dangerously close to the relegation zone last season and Swansea were in 15th or 16th place. Lo and behold, Swansea ended up getting relegated as some of the others decided to pick themselves up. Maybe this is the long-term game plan.
I've got to hand it to Fulham, playing attacking football and giving it everything they've got. They've had a few ugly results but in the main, they're doing ok and seem to be improving. Aside from the fact that they have Mitrovic, perhaps Cardiff would do well to follow Fulham's example. They do look like a team who are fighting.
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Post by iot on Sept 26, 2018 11:51:13 GMT
I reckon Cardiff City might only start getting themselves into gear towards the end of the season. A few teams were hovering dangerously close to the relegation zone last season and Swansea were in 15th or 16th place. Lo and behold, Swansea ended up getting relegated as some of the others decided to pick themselves up. Maybe this is the long-term game plan. I've got to hand it to Fulham, playing attacking football and giving it everything they've got. They've had a few ugly results but in the main, they're doing ok and seem to be improving. It helps when you spend £100m+! I'd obviously like to see Cardiff staying up but can't see it happening personally as I'm struggling to think of a weaker squad in the league's history. A couple of wins could change everything though |
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Post by richierich333 on Sept 26, 2018 13:42:58 GMT
The quality on paper is not there, THAT we can say for sure. That doesn't mean we can't win enough games at home to stay up through sheer grit and determination. A few loan players in January just might tip the balance in our favour. Defoe, Ampadu and Grujic would do.
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Post by saints19 on Sept 26, 2018 14:07:04 GMT
If Warnock gets fired there is no loyalty and basic decency in football any more. He's been given nothing to spend and if he is expected to keep them up, it's crazy - Guardiola couldn't keep them up ffs.
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Post by kingstonred on Sept 26, 2018 15:33:53 GMT
Isn't there a limit on loan players in the Premier League?
I was under the impression it was 2.
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