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Post by claretcymro on Oct 2, 2018 18:36:48 GMT
Cardiff were unlucky or unfortunate not to get a point and I'm sure had they played like this in the Championship last season they would have picked up all three points.However they are now in the Premier League where they will every week compete against better organised teams and classier individuals. If they want a second season in this league they need to massively improve their defensive play and make better use of the limited chances they are likely to get in most matches as Burnley did today.Really pleased for Sam Vokes scoring with a clever little header with the only chance he had in the whole match, his 100th in the Premier League. By the way Warnock was quite right when he said that the 'smaller' teams get nothing from Premier League refs - he must have been referring to Vokes being denied a penalty which had it been given would have been Burnley's first since the season before last Vokes kicked his own leg. Never a penalty The penalty shout was for Morrison holding him back. Haven't seen anyone claiming that he was tripped. |
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Oct 2, 2018 21:14:12 GMT
Cardiff were unlucky or unfortunate not to get a point and I'm sure had they played like this in the Championship last season they would have picked up all three points.However they are now in the Premier League where they will every week compete against better organised teams and classier individuals. If they want a second season in this league they need to massively improve their defensive play and make better use of the limited chances they are likely to get in most matches as Burnley did today.Really pleased for Sam Vokes scoring with a clever little header with the only chance he had in the whole match, his 100th in the Premier League. By the way Warnock was quite right when he said that the 'smaller' teams get nothing from Premier League refs - he must have been referring to Vokes being denied a penalty which had it been given would have been Burnley's first since the season before last The big teams always get awarded penalties, the likes of Man City are the worst cheats they just fall over when opposition players get near to them, might be that they employ foreign managers. |
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Post by welshiron on Oct 3, 2018 10:14:54 GMT
They tend to get more penalties mainly because they attack more.
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Post by pendragon on Oct 20, 2018 16:30:14 GMT
Superb victory for Cardiff City this afternoon.
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Post by quetzal on Oct 20, 2018 16:53:21 GMT
Superb victory for Cardiff City this afternoon. What about Welsh kids coming through. Not seeing it with Cardiff. |
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Post by garynysmon on Oct 20, 2018 16:56:33 GMT
I honestly can't see how Cardiff City being in the EPL helps us at all tbh.
If anything, Swansea have shown that its better for the national side if they play in the Championship.
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Post by cymru98 on Oct 20, 2018 17:03:51 GMT
Good win today.
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Post by manulike on Oct 20, 2018 18:36:40 GMT
I honestly can't see how Cardiff City being in the EPL helps us at all tbh. If anything, Swansea have shown that its better for the national side if they play in the Championship. In terms of exposure and awareness, it is essential that the Welsh Way brand will have representation in the EPL. For the last seven years I have been telling foreigners that I am "from a city near Swansea City" - as no one knows where Cardiff is. Four or five more years in the Prem for City, and that will change ;-)
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Post by garynysmon on Oct 20, 2018 22:38:33 GMT
Does it though? They may have heard of Swansea now but Wales as a whole? Nah, not having it personally.
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Post by Griff105 on Oct 21, 2018 6:37:17 GMT
Excellent win.
I've had a great week and I love football again!😁😁😁😀🐑
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Post by cymroircarn on Oct 21, 2018 7:08:13 GMT
I honestly can't see how Cardiff City being in the EPL helps us at all tbh. If anything, Swansea have shown that its better for the national side if they play in the Championship. Investment in youth, develop more players for the future. Look at Swansea now after 7 years in the Prem. This is the first batch they have produced since Ben Davies |
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Post by welshiron on Oct 21, 2018 10:35:25 GMT
What yesterday showed is how poor Fulham are defensively.
It currently looks like there are 4 poor sides, so on that basis they have a chance of staying up.
Still don't think they will get 25 points, but 24 may be enough.
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Post by garynysmon on Oct 21, 2018 10:39:12 GMT
I honestly can't see how Cardiff City being in the EPL helps us at all tbh. If anything, Swansea have shown that its better for the national side if they play in the Championship. Investment in youth, develop more players for the future. Look at Swansea now after 7 years in the Prem. This is the first batch they have produced since Ben Davies But would they be playing in the first team now had Swansea stayed up? I doubt that very much. |
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Post by eppingblue on Oct 21, 2018 10:55:35 GMT
Investment in youth, develop more players for the future. Look at Swansea now after 7 years in the Prem. This is the first batch they have produced since Ben Davies But would they be playing in the first team now had Swansea stayed up? I doubt that very much. I think Connor Roberts would be and hopefully Rodon not far behind. TBH I've not seen much of him but really hope he goes on to be as good as some of the reports suggest. The central defensive area seems to be the weakest part of the jigsaw going on from here. Get that right and qualification for next few tournaments becomes a much more likely prospect. |
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 21, 2018 11:06:50 GMT
The cold hard truth of it is Welsh players aren't getting game time because they aren't good enough. Calvert-Lewin, Declan Rice, Ryan Sessegnon and our very own Dai Brooks play every week because they are.
Out of all of our 'younger' players aside from Brooks, I'd say Lawrence was the only one 'good enough' to play PL football weekly.
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Post by NP10 on Oct 21, 2018 13:02:34 GMT
The cold hard truth of it is Welsh players aren't getting game time because they aren't good enough. Calvert-Lewin, Declan Rice, Ryan Sessegnon and our very own Dai Brooks play every week because they are. Out of all of our 'younger' players aside from Brooks, I'd say Lawrence was the only one 'good enough' to play PL football weekly. That's the truth. People act like there is an endless supply of talented Welsh players that should be in the Cardiff and Swansea squad. |
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Post by eppingblue on Oct 21, 2018 13:08:13 GMT
The cold hard truth of it is Welsh players aren't getting game time because they aren't good enough. Calvert-Lewin, Declan Rice, Ryan Sessegnon and our very own Dai Brooks play every week because they are. Out of all of our 'younger' players aside from Brooks, I'd say Lawrence was the only one 'good enough' to play PL football weekly. That's the truth. People act like there is an endless supply of talented Welsh players that should be in the Cardiff and Swansea squad. That's partly true but if any of those 3 were at Chelsea or Man City I'm not sure they'd be much closer to the first team than Ampadu or Smith. |
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 21, 2018 13:17:37 GMT
The cold hard truth of it is Welsh players aren't getting game time because they aren't good enough. Calvert-Lewin, Declan Rice, Ryan Sessegnon and our very own Dai Brooks play every week because they are. Out of all of our 'younger' players aside from Brooks, I'd say Lawrence was the only one 'good enough' to play PL football weekly. That's the truth. People act like there is an endless supply of talented Welsh players that should be in the Cardiff and Swansea squad. It's 2018, Cardiff has no more right to develop Welsh youth than Southampton or Newcastle do. Some of our best players have been developed by English clubs and weighing league status over the development of a player who might not even get capped, the sane person would pick league status any day. This is largely why Wrexham haven't bothered with Welsh youth for 15 or so years now, we're so low down nobody would ever be considered for Wales *cough* Maxwell *cough* Ward, so getting back into the league is a priority instead. That aside, club rivalry arguments would resurface as X amount of players were selected from Swans, but only Y amount of players were selected from Cardiff. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 13:22:09 GMT
Getting that first win was vital. Earn most of your points at home plus pick up what you can away. There’s trouble at Newcastle (relegated twice in recent seasons) and Huddersfield have had a slow start too. Survival is a possibility.
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Post by NP10 on Oct 21, 2018 13:27:16 GMT
That's the truth. People act like there is an endless supply of talented Welsh players that should be in the Cardiff and Swansea squad. That's partly true but if any of those 3 were at Chelsea or Man City I'm not sure they'd be much closer to the first team than Ampadu or Smith. Smith and Ampadu would probably start for Cardiff if they were at the club. Says more about football and the monopoly clubs have rather than Cardiff and Swansea. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 21, 2018 21:41:59 GMT
Cardiff's best young player since Ramsey got nicked off them for a few hundred thousand, why would they bother investing a lot of time into the academy when their best players get bought by the big boys?
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 21, 2018 22:48:50 GMT
Cardiff's best young player since Ramsey got nicked off them for a few hundred thousand, why would they bother investing a lot of time into the academy when their best players get bought by the big boys? In fairness, they're a PL side now so not subject to EPPP bullshit - they'd get 15m or so for a Ramsey-like youngster these days. Swansea could get pillaged for pittance though, so there's little incentive in bringing up your own in the Football League. |
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Post by welshiron on Oct 22, 2018 7:30:50 GMT
That's the truth. People act like there is an endless supply of talented Welsh players that should be in the Cardiff and Swansea squad. It's 2018, Cardiff has no more right to develop Welsh youth than Southampton or Newcastle do. Some of our best players have been developed by English clubs and weighing league status over the development of a player who might not even get capped, the sane person would pick league status any day. This is largely why Wrexham haven't bothered with Welsh youth for 15 or so years now, we're so low down nobody would ever be considered for Wales *cough* Maxwell *cough* Ward, so getting back into the league is a priority instead. That aside, club rivalry arguments would resurface as X amount of players were selected from Swans, but only Y amount of players were selected from Cardiff. Ok, let's rely on the English to produce all our players shall we? Also if the have no interest in the Welsh team then we shouldn't play any games there. Hopefully your views are the minority otherwise we may as well cancel all junior football in Wales |
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 22, 2018 9:13:26 GMT
It's 2018, Cardiff has no more right to develop Welsh youth than Southampton or Newcastle do. Some of our best players have been developed by English clubs and weighing league status over the development of a player who might not even get capped, the sane person would pick league status any day. This is largely why Wrexham haven't bothered with Welsh youth for 15 or so years now, we're so low down nobody would ever be considered for Wales *cough* Maxwell *cough* Ward, so getting back into the league is a priority instead. That aside, club rivalry arguments would resurface as X amount of players were selected from Swans, but only Y amount of players were selected from Cardiff. Ok, let's rely on the English to produce all our players shall we? Also if the have no interest in the Welsh team then we shouldn't play any games there. Hopefully your views are the minority otherwise we may as well cancel all junior football in Wales We pretty much are relying on English clubs - Bale, Brooks, Lawrence, Ampadu, Wilson, Williams, Roberts, Hennessey, Mepham etc. - We're not doing too badly, so I don't know why it's important they come from Welsh clubs. If anything, it's better for us as they're playing for English clubs which are fighting for promotion to the PL, rather than Swansea who have to field Welsh kids out of necessity, or Cardiff who will be fighting relegation. English clubs also have no issue sorting the wheat from the chaff, saving us fielding useless players out of blind loyalty. We also haven't had a Wales game in Wrexham for 12 years or so, and unlikely to have any in the near future, so that retort doesn't hold up well. |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Oct 22, 2018 10:34:45 GMT
Ok, let's rely on the English to produce all our players shall we? Also if the have no interest in the Welsh team then we shouldn't play any games there. Hopefully your views are the minority otherwise we may as well cancel all junior football in Wales We pretty much are relying on English clubs - Bale, Brooks, Lawrence, Ampadu, Wilson, Williams, Roberts, Hennessey, Mepham etc. - We're not doing too badly, so I don't know why it's important they come from Welsh clubs. If anything, it's better for us as they're playing for English clubs which are fighting for promotion to the PL, rather than Swansea who have to field Welsh kids out of necessity, or Cardiff who will be fighting relegation. English clubs also have no issue sorting the wheat from the chaff, saving us fielding useless players out of blind loyalty. We also haven't had a Wales game in Wrexham for 12 years or so, and unlikely to have any in the near future, so that retort doesn't hold up well. Unless the Racecourse is re-developed into a four stand stadium then they'll never play there. Training perhaps. If Wrexham fail to get back into the football league, and I hope they return asap, the re-development won't go ahead so no Internationals in Wrexham, which is a great shame. |
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Post by alarch on Oct 22, 2018 11:23:06 GMT
There's a lot of confusion in this thread, understandably so, because getting your head around all this academy business isn't straightforward. To get one thing clear, the league a club is playing in is irrelevant when it comes to the compensation that a club gets for its academy players, when they leave for another club. If Wrexham had a category one academy (would love to see it, shame it's a pipe-dream) then it would be much harder for their academy products to be poached, and they would get more compensation for them. The fact that Swansea are now a Championship club is irrelevant. If an academy player were to be poached by another academy (and I'm not sure if this can happen at all) they would get more compensation that if an academy product (such as Matondo) were poached from Cardiff's 2 status academy.
From a purely selfish Swansea perspective it's great that Swansea is the only Welsh club with a category 1 academy. But from a Welsh perspective it would be good if Cardiff were to have one too. Is this an aspiration of Tan's? If not, then the ability of Cardiff to contribute to the Welsh cause is limited.
Attaining Category One status takes time and a lot of investment (although money does come from the Premier League too to support academies) and the return is long-term. For a player entering an academy at age 8 it can take a decade or more for their potential to translate into a tangible reward for the club. Joe Rodon is a case in point - however, he entered the academy several years before Category One status was achieved. This suggests that Swansea should be producing a lot more Welsh talent in years to come, especially since they have development centres throughout Wales, including Cardiff and North Wales.
Cardiff's contribution to the Welsh cause can only be fairly judged by it's commitment to developing youngsters. With the riches of playing in the Premier League and any potential parachute payments there's no excuse for Cardiff not to get back to what they were doing so well under Sam Hamman. If Vincent Tan is serious about Cardiff's long-term success, and in fully restoring his standing, then investing in a Category One status academy would be a smart thing to do.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 11:37:29 GMT
A quick Google tells me the Cardiff City Stadium holds over 33,000 now. 33,280 to be precise! Is it likely they'll extend for future years? I'm thinking the Principality / CCS argument here over anything else. Chances are Denmark will sell out.
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Post by pendragon on Oct 22, 2018 11:37:46 GMT
Ok, let's rely on the English to produce all our players shall we? Also if the have no interest in the Welsh team then we shouldn't play any games there. Hopefully your views are the minority otherwise we may as well cancel all junior football in Wales We pretty much are relying on English clubs - Bale, Brooks, Lawrence, Ampadu, Wilson, Williams, Roberts, Hennessey, Mepham etc. - We're not doing too badly, so I don't know why it's important they come from Welsh clubs. If anything, it's better for us as they're playing for English clubs which are fighting for promotion to the PL, rather than Swansea who have to field Welsh kids out of necessity, or Cardiff who will be fighting relegation. English clubs also have no issue sorting the wheat from the chaff, saving us fielding useless players out of blind loyalty. We also haven't had a Wales game in Wrexham for 12 years or so, and unlikely to have any in the near future, so that retort doesn't hold up well. I have to agree with you I'm afraid. While it would be mightily nice if all our young prospects were developed or fielded, by Welsh clubs, our top prospects will eventually find themselves in the Liverpool, Manchester City and Chelsea U23s if they're good enough - where they are more likely to develop further and perhaps fulfill their potential. Is it really so different for our players to develop this way as it is for other countries' players? How many young South American players find themselves in the Spanish and Italian youth set-ups for example? I think all clubs should have strong academy set-ups that provide direct pathways into the first team however, I don't think national loyalty plays a huge role in club football. The Premier League and Championship are businesses first and foremost, and many of these clubs are foreign-owned anyway. Their goal is to select the best available players to ensure they get good results and keep the profits from club supporters flowing. |
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Post by cymroircarn on Oct 22, 2018 11:38:16 GMT
There's a lot of confusion in this thread, understandably so, because getting your head around all this academy business isn't straightforward. To get one thing clear, the league a club is playing in is irrelevant when it comes to the compensation that a club gets for its academy players, when they leave for another club. If Wrexham had a category one academy (would love to see it, shame it's a pipe-dream) then it would be much harder for their academy products to be poached, and they would get more compensation for them. The fact that Swansea are now a Championship club is irrelevant. If an academy player were to be poached by another academy (and I'm not sure if this can happen at all) they would get more compensation that if an academy product (such as Matondo) were poached from Cardiff's 2 status academy. From a purely selfish Swansea perspective it's great that Swansea is the only Welsh club with a category 1 academy. But from a Welsh perspective it would be good if Cardiff were to have one too. Is this an aspiration of Tan's? If not, then the ability of Cardiff to contribute to the Welsh cause is limited. Attaining Category One status takes time and a lot of investment (although money does come from the Premier League too to support academies) and the return is long-term. For a player entering an academy at age 8 it can take a decade or more for their potential to translate into a tangible reward for the club. Joe Rodon is a case in point - however, he entered the academy several years before Category One status was achieved. This suggests that Swansea should be producing a lot more Welsh talent in years to come, especially since they have development centres throughout Wales, including Cardiff and North Wales. Cardiff's contribution to the Welsh cause can only be fairly judged by it's commitment to developing youngsters. With the riches of playing in the Premier League and any potential parachute payments there's no excuse for Cardiff not to get back to what they were doing so well under Sam Hamman. If Vincent Tan is serious about Cardiff's long-term success, and in fully restoring his standing, then investing in a Category One status academy would be a smart thing to do. Nice balanced post 👍 |
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Post by cymroircarn on Oct 22, 2018 11:41:08 GMT
A quick Google tells me the Cardiff City Stadium holds over 33,000 now. 33,280 to be precise! Is it likely they'll extend for future years? I'm thinking the Principality / CCS argument here over anything else. Chances are Denmark will sell out. There is potential to expand the Canton and Grange End stand by 2500 - 3000 each. Unless the FAW are paying for it can’t see it being discussed for a few years yet |
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