Giggs

[saints19]

Jan 12, 2018 17:54:17 GMT alarch said:

Jan 12, 2018 17:42:00 GMT saints19 said:

Style of play is irrelevant. Anyone could see our weakness over the last few years (except for the 2016 campaign) has been defensive. Does Giggs know anything in that regard? I haven't seen any evidence.

I remain hopeful it will be Roberts, and if the FAW do appoint Giggs they can't say the fans didn't try to warn them of the impending disaster.

The stats don't support that view saints19. Even in the last campaign we were in the top ten on goals conceded in Europe. The previous campaign we were in the top 5. Our problems have consistently been at the other end. Take out the Moldova goals and we managed to score fewer than a goal a game.

I'm not keen on Giggs at all - but there's little evidence to suggest he is likely to be a disaster.

Conceding silly goals is something we did a lot of though. The second goal against Austria, arguably the goal against Georgia, the goal against ROI were all eminently preventable either through individual mistakes or through tactical choices. And Austria at home we should have conceded at least once.

Really, given the talent we have going forward and the way teams have been adapting to be much more defensive against us ever since 2016 it is not surprising we have been scoring less, but to concede in the manner we have in some games has been disappointing.

I would argue that all Giggs's statements so far about the job point to a lack of footballing and diplomatic intelligence, which is hardly proof it will be a disaster but definitely not a positive sign either. I predict if Giggs or Bellamy get it, we will not qualify for 2020. I'd love to be proven wrong but I would bet a lot of money on that being the case.

[pendragon]

Giggs has apparently stated that he favours an attacking and possession-based style of football. He will presumably also work alongside Osian Roberts, who is a strong proponent of the "Welsh way".
I do share people's concerns and Osian was my preferred option.
However, as one of Manchester United's star players who worked under the leadership of one of the Premier League's most successful managers for so long, I cannot think that he would not at least have a sound knowledge and understanding of tactical strategies. I'm not saying that the playing experience alone qualifies him to undertake this role, but neither do I feel there is scope to imply that his appointment might prove to be an unmitigated disaster. Only time will really tell. At least we have the China Cup and a friendly to come. That might prove the opportune moment to start experimenting with strategies, formations and the team's cohesion and continued development.

[zenith]

If he gets the job we will all support him, no question. Bellamy or Osian would both be favoured in front of him though if it was down to me.

[cadno]

Jan 12, 2018 17:42:00 GMT saints19 said:

Style of play is irrelevant. Anyone could see our weakness over the last few years (except for the 2016 campaign) has been defensive. Does Giggs know anything in that regard? I haven't seen any evidence.

I remain hopeful it will be Roberts, and if the FAW do appoint Giggs they can't say the fans didn't try to warn them of the impending disaster.

I disagree, we've been pretty solid defensively. The lack of goals we score is a bigger problem than the amount of goals we concede!

But I agree, I hope Osian gets the job.

[zenith]

William Hill have closed their odds on Giggs

[saints19]

Shocking decision if borne out.

[badfinger]

Jan 12, 2018 17:42:00 GMT saints19 said:

Style of play is irrelevant. Anyone could see our weakness over the last few years (except for the 2016 campaign) has been defensive. Does Giggs know anything in that regard? I haven't seen any evidence.

I remain hopeful it will be Roberts, and if the FAW do appoint Giggs they can't say the fans didn't try to warn them of the impending disaster.

some fans warned them.
it was not a great choice of candidates ..Giggs should he win has won over 2 people, one of whom has spent his entire career falling out with anything that moves.
and another stepped up to no2 when Kit Symons resigned half way through a campaign we were unbeaten in at that point.

2 things strike me..how much of a disruption does a player have to be for his club to allow him a loan move to his hometown club,and pay the lions share of his wages because he refused to go to all other  interested club.?

and..why did Coleman opt to take Symonds and not the irreplaceable Osian to Sunderland.?

im not pro Giggs..just anti the anti Giggs

[saints19]

Jan 13, 2018 20:05:31 GMT badfinger said:

Jan 12, 2018 17:42:00 GMT saints19 said:

Style of play is irrelevant. Anyone could see our weakness over the last few years (except for the 2016 campaign) has been defensive. Does Giggs know anything in that regard? I haven't seen any evidence.

I remain hopeful it will be Roberts, and if the FAW do appoint Giggs they can't say the fans didn't try to warn them of the impending disaster.

and..why did Coleman opt to take Symonds and not the irreplaceable Osian to Sunderland.?

Maybe Osian told him he wanted to apply for the national team manager's job he vacated.

[conwy10]

Jan 13, 2018 20:05:31 GMT badfinger said:

Jan 12, 2018 17:42:00 GMT saints19 said:

Style of play is irrelevant. Anyone could see our weakness over the last few years (except for the 2016 campaign) has been defensive. Does Giggs know anything in that regard? I haven't seen any evidence.

I remain hopeful it will be Roberts, and if the FAW do appoint Giggs they can't say the fans didn't try to warn them of the impending disaster.

some fans warned them.
it was not a great choice of candidates ..Giggs should he win has won over 2 people, one of whom has spent his entire career falling out with anything that moves.
and another stepped up to no2 when Kit Symons resigned half way through a campaign we were unbeaten in at that point.

2 things strike me..how much of a disruption does a player have to be for his club to allow him a loan move to his hometown club,and pay the lions share of his wages because he refused to go to all other  interested club.?

and..why did Coleman opt to take Symonds and not the irreplaceable Osian to Sunderland.?

im not pro Giggs..just anti the anti Giggs

If you only see Osian Roberts as the guy who sits in the Wales dugout you haven't scratched the surface of what he does.

Kit Symons is an assistant manager. He works for Wales, leaves to go to Fulham, Sunderland, wherever the money takes him.

Osian Roberts is assistant manager to the national team and Technical Director of the Welsh Football Trust, in both roles gets paid and has massive freedom and respect. If Kit was getting a second wage from the WFT he might not have upped sticks to Sunderland. Nearly on a daily basis I hear the next elite player is doing his coaching qualification in Wales, Osian is bringing the greatest minds in football to Wales passing on what he learns to the next generation of coaches. I seriously don't get why people think a relegation dogfight in the Championship is more appealing than basically being the godfather of Welsh football.

[bracklablue72]

Jan 13, 2018 20:05:31 GMT badfinger said:

Jan 12, 2018 17:42:00 GMT saints19 said:

Style of play is irrelevant. Anyone could see our weakness over the last few years (except for the 2016 campaign) has been defensive. Does Giggs know anything in that regard? I haven't seen any evidence.

I remain hopeful it will be Roberts, and if the FAW do appoint Giggs they can't say the fans didn't try to warn them of the impending disaster.

some fans warned them.
it was not a great choice of candidates ..Giggs should he win has won over 2 people, one of whom has spent his entire career falling out with anything that moves.
and another stepped up to no2 when Kit Symons resigned half way through a campaign we were unbeaten in at that point.

2 things strike me..how much of a disruption does a player have to be for his club to allow him a loan move to his hometown club,and pay the lions share of his wages because he refused to go to all other  interested club.?

and..why did Coleman opt to take Symonds and not the irreplaceable Osian to Sunderland.?

im not pro Giggs..just anti the anti Giggs

You’re also obtuse to the point of being unintelligible

[badfinger]

Jan 14, 2018 0:45:14 GMT bracklablue72 said:

Jan 13, 2018 20:05:31 GMT badfinger said:

some fans warned them.
it was not a great choice of candidates ..Giggs should he win has won over 2 people, one of whom has spent his entire career falling out with anything that moves.
and another stepped up to no2 when Kit Symons resigned half way through a campaign we were unbeaten in at that point.

2 things strike me..how much of a disruption does a player have to be for his club to allow him a loan move to his hometown club,and pay the lions share of his wages because he refused to go to all other  interested club.?

and..why did Coleman opt to take Symonds and not the irreplaceable Osian to Sunderland.?

im not pro Giggs..just anti the anti Giggs

You’re also obtuse to the point of being unintelligible

[badfinger]

Jan 14, 2018 0:45:14 GMT bracklablue72 said:

Jan 13, 2018 20:05:31 GMT badfinger said:

some fans warned them.
it was not a great choice of candidates ..Giggs should he win has won over 2 people, one of whom has spent his entire career falling out with anything that moves.
and another stepped up to no2 when Kit Symons resigned half way through a campaign we were unbeaten in at that point.

2 things strike me..how much of a disruption does a player have to be for his club to allow him a loan move to his hometown club,and pay the lions share of his wages because he refused to go to all other  interested club.?

and..why did Coleman opt to take Symonds and not the irreplaceable Osian to Sunderland.?

im not pro Giggs..just anti the anti Giggs

You’re also obtuse to the point of being unintelligible

[badfinger]

ah right....or maybe you just do not like the truth.

[saints19]

The only "truth" here is that Giggs and Bellamy are woefully underqualified for the job, and even Bowen and Roberts would not have been my first choices. The FAW have f*cked this one up completely.

[badfinger]

Jan 14, 2018 2:37:16 GMT saints19 said:

The only "truth" here is that Giggs and Bellamy are woefully underqualified for the job, and even Bowen and Roberts would not have been my first choices. The FAW have f*cked this one up completely.

we are a small nation with limited revenue and allthough your correct about all four being under qualified , we simply dont have the finances to attract better candidates.if we did im sure Chris Coleman would still be running the show.

[gwernybwch]

Jan 13, 2018 20:05:31 GMT badfinger said:

Jan 12, 2018 17:42:00 GMT saints19 said:

Style of play is irrelevant. Anyone could see our weakness over the last few years (except for the 2016 campaign) has been defensive. Does Giggs know anything in that regard? I haven't seen any evidence.

I remain hopeful it will be Roberts, and if the FAW do appoint Giggs they can't say the fans didn't try to warn them of the impending disaster.

some fans warned them.
it was not a great choice of candidates ..Giggs should he win has won over 2 people, one of whom has spent his entire career falling out with anything that moves.
and another stepped up to no2 when Kit Symons resigned half way through a campaign we were unbeaten in at that point.

2 things strike me..how much of a disruption does a player have to be for his club to allow him a loan move to his hometown club,and pay the lions share of his wages because he refused to go to all other  interested club.?

and..why did Coleman opt to take Symonds and not the irreplaceable Osian to Sunderland.?

im not pro Giggs..just anti the anti Giggs

Let's not forget that Bellamy fell out with one club (Newcastle) because he wanted to play for his COUNTRY whilst injured and needing pain killing injections and he engineered a move from Man City, so that he could play his HOME TOWN club.

How do you know that Coleman opted to take Symonds? More likely that when Osian stopped pissing himself laughing that Coleman was going to the shambles that was Sunderland, decided that he would rather stay at the FAW and coach some of the best players in the world into being excellent Managers.

[cadno]

Remember how much a lot of fans absolutely hated Coleman for about 2 years?

Bizzarly, it took until the Euros before fans really started to sing his name.

[saints19]

Jan 14, 2018 3:01:32 GMT badfinger said:

Jan 14, 2018 2:37:16 GMT saints19 said:

The only "truth" here is that Giggs and Bellamy are woefully underqualified for the job, and even Bowen and Roberts would not have been my first choices. The FAW have f*cked this one up completely.

we are a small nation with limited revenue and allthough your correct about all four being under qualified , we simply dont have the finances to attract better candidates.if we did im sure Chris Coleman would still be running the show.

Wales Online talked about a £750k salary for Giggs! Even if that figure was £500k in reality, that is still enough to attract a decent, experienced manager.

I do note Pulis was bookies' favourite and didn't rule himself out like Hughes did, despite speculation linking him with the job. Why oh why did we not just offer it to him straight away. He should not have been placed on a short-list next to Giggs and Bellamy. No wonder he took the Boro job.

[saints19]

Jan 14, 2018 9:54:45 GMT cadno said:

Remember how much a lot of fans absolutely hated Coleman for about 2 years?

Bizzarly, it took until the Euros before fans really started to sing his name.

We were shit for the first two years of Coleman. That's what we can look forward to now if we go down the Giggs/Bellamy route. Bale and Ramsey's peak years wasted. Absolute disgrace.

[yanto]

Jan 14, 2018 12:24:29 GMT saints19 said:

Jan 14, 2018 3:01:32 GMT badfinger said:

we are a small nation with limited revenue and allthough your correct about all four being under qualified , we simply dont have the finances to attract better candidates.if we did im sure Chris Coleman would still be running the show.

Wales Online talked about a £750k salary for Giggs! Even if that figure was £500k in reality, that is still enough to attract a decent, experienced manager.

I do note Pulis was bookies' favourite and didn't rule himself out like Hughes did, despite speculation linking him with the job. Why oh why did we not just offer it to him straight away. He should not have been placed on a short-list next to Giggs and Bellamy. No wonder he took the Boro job.

Just because its football does not mean that anyone is above going through due process, if Pulis took a job because he resented having to compete with others below his standard, then fuck him who wants that kind of attitude? Apply that to our everyday work place and ask the same question, you would be viewed as an arrogant cock. Ffs.

[conwy10]

Jan 14, 2018 9:54:45 GMT cadno said:

Remember how much a lot of fans absolutely hated Coleman for about 2 years?

Bizzarly, it took until the Euros before fans really started to sing his name.

To be fair anyone who only beats Andorra 2-1 in the last 10 minutes is fair game for criticism, especially with a fully fit Gareth Bale. He dug deep though and turned things around.

[cymruramdcfc]

Jan 14, 2018 12:26:28 GMT saints19 said:

Jan 14, 2018 9:54:45 GMT cadno said:

Remember how much a lot of fans absolutely hated Coleman for about 2 years?

Bizzarly, it took until the Euros before fans really started to sing his name.

We were shit for the first two years of Coleman. That's what we can look forward to now if we go down the Giggs/Bellamy route. Bale and Ramsey's peak years wasted. Absolute disgrace.

Why you think we go backwards. We still have a good squad with good young talent coming thro. Who ever takes over has a good foundation

[conwy10]

Jan 14, 2018 15:32:59 GMT cymruramdcfc said:

Jan 14, 2018 12:26:28 GMT saints19 said:

We were shit for the first two years of Coleman. That's what we can look forward to now if we go down the Giggs/Bellamy route. Bale and Ramsey's peak years wasted. Absolute disgrace.

Why you think we go backwards. We still have a good squad with good young talent coming thro. Who ever takes over has a good foundation

Because who they're considering as our manager perhaps... I can't think of anyone worse than Giggs to be honest, at least Bellamy would have some passion, watching Giggs on TV is draining. Can't wait for him to vacuum the personality out of the changing room.

[gwernybwch]

Jan 14, 2018 12:47:50 GMT yanto said:

Jan 14, 2018 12:24:29 GMT saints19 said:

Wales Online talked about a £750k salary for Giggs! Even if that figure was £500k in reality, that is still enough to attract a decent, experienced manager.

I do note Pulis was bookies' favourite and didn't rule himself out like Hughes did, despite speculation linking him with the job. Why oh why did we not just offer it to him straight away. He should not have been placed on a short-list next to Giggs and Bellamy. No wonder he took the Boro job.

Just because its football does not mean that anyone is above going through due process, if Pulis took a job because he resented having to compete with others below his standard, then fuck him who wants that kind of attitude? Apply that to our everyday work place and ask the same question, you would be viewed as an arrogant cock. Ffs.

Well, I'm pretty sure that was the process when they appointed Speed (and maybe even Coleman). The board decided 'who was their man' and then someone went to Speed or his agent, agreed terms and the job was done in a few days. No need for an interview or other forms of due process.

As it was reported that all along the job was Giggs' if he wanted it, I suspect that the interviews that they conducted were nothing more than a sham to make Osian feel needed (and he is needed) and to save a month's of Giggs wages (circa. £60k).

[1gwaunview]

Anyone but Osian and I'm afraid we'll kiss EURO2020 goodbye before we start. There's a lot to be said for continuity, and with the players we've got at the moment it would be a real shame to rip it all up and start again from scratch. Remember, we only just failed to reach the play-offs.

[conwy10]

Jan 14, 2018 16:11:57 GMT gwernybwch said:

Jan 14, 2018 12:47:50 GMT yanto said:

Just because its football does not mean that anyone is above going through due process, if Pulis took a job because he resented having to compete with others below his standard, then fuck him who wants that kind of attitude? Apply that to our everyday work place and ask the same question, you would be viewed as an arrogant cock. Ffs.

Well, I'm pretty sure that was the process when they appointed Speed (and maybe even Coleman). The board decided 'who was their man' and then someone went to Speed or his agent, agreed terms and the job was done in a few days. No need for an interview or other forms of due process.

As it was reported that all along the job was Giggs' if he wanted it, I suspect that the interviews that they conducted were nothing more than a sham to make Osian feel needed (and he is needed) and to save a month's of Giggs wages (circa. £60k).

I'd feel the other way if I was Osian, I got interviewed for a different role where I worked and at the end they turned me down for the job so I quit. I felt humiliated having to sell myself to people I know, that I have to see everyday and decided if they don't appreciate what I do and see value in what I can offer the workplace I'll go somewhere that would.

If he's too valuable in his role he's in they probably could have said to him "don't apply, you're more important to us than being the manager and we're looking for something different. We don't want you dragged through the press as a failed candidate for the job or the humiliation of preparing a sales pitch for a job you won't be successful for"

[ae15]

Sounds like Giggs has got it despite a "hollywood" interview from Bellamy.

[yanto]

Jan 14, 2018 16:11:57 GMT gwernybwch said:

Jan 14, 2018 12:47:50 GMT yanto said:

Just because its football does not mean that anyone is above going through due process, if Pulis took a job because he resented having to compete with others below his standard, then fuck him who wants that kind of attitude? Apply that to our everyday work place and ask the same question, you would be viewed as an arrogant cock. Ffs.

Well, I'm pretty sure that was the process when they appointed Speed (and maybe even Coleman). The board decided 'who was their man' and then someone went to Speed or his agent, agreed terms and the job was done in a few days. No need for an interview or other forms of due process.

As it was reported that all along the job was Giggs' if he wanted it, I suspect that the interviews that they conducted were nothing more than a sham to make Osian feel needed (and he is needed) and to save a month's of Giggs wages (circa. £60k).

And how may i enquire do you have the absolute inside line on what went on previously? With respect is there any circumstance whereby you would be happy with an faw decision?

[manulike]

Jan 14, 2018 20:16:48 GMT ae15 said:

Sounds like Giggs has got it despite a "hollywood" interview from Bellamy.

I would have had a lot more faith in that article if it was written by Chris Wathan and not Mr Abbandonato...

www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/wales-close-ryan-giggs-despite-14154068

[erasedcitizen]

Jan 14, 2018 12:24:29 GMT saints19 said:

Jan 14, 2018 3:01:32 GMT badfinger said:

we are a small nation with limited revenue and allthough your correct about all four being under qualified , we simply dont have the finances to attract better candidates.if we did im sure Chris Coleman would still be running the show.

Wales Online talked about a £750k salary for Giggs! Even if that figure was £500k in reality, that is still enough to attract a decent, experienced manager.

I do note Pulis was bookies' favourite and didn't rule himself out like Hughes did, despite speculation linking him with the job. Why oh why did we not just offer it to him straight away. He should not have been placed on a short-list next to Giggs and Bellamy. No wonder he took the Boro job.

Which experienced manager would you have hired, out of interest? Pulis and Hughes would both demand salaries in the millions and neither really suit the style of play we'll have to adapt to without a lot of depth in defence. As for any other Welsh manager, they wouldn't have the same pulling power that Giggs or Bellamy will have. What I mean by that, is that we're more likely to get an Ampadu or Brooks on board if our manager is a big name.