Giggs

[conwy10]

Jul 18, 2023 9:33:56 GMT cymro said:

Sensational return incoming? 👀

No. We went through a lot with it. He didn't resign from it until years after, kept his employment status an untreatable wound before resigning much later. Obviously he has to be considered innocent, but I also think he allowed his private life to affect the organisation.

It was going to be a long process, if he'd had resigned on day one to protect the team I'd have him back now. But he didn't. He made his personal decisions affect everything and everyone.

[surge]

His life story is bound to be made into a TV series one day and, even though so much happening in the public eye, people will struggle to believe it could all be centered around one person.

[wft]

We haven't played sensible football since he left. So lets bring this innocent victimised man back.
Like Julian Assange he's done nothing wrong.

[conwy10]

Jul 18, 2023 10:55:16 GMT wft said:

We haven't played sensible football since he left. So lets bring this innocent victimised man back.
Like Julian Assange he's done nothing wrong.

The fear was always that he'd bring issues for Wales... and he did. Move forward instead of back. What happened to that guy who wanted the bring Arteta and Henry into the coaching team before moving to another country that out of nowhere made it to the World Cup Semi Final after he accepted a job in the Premier League? Maybe he'd be interested?

[jimexotic]

I don't care what anyone says, I'd take him over Page right now, Page is edging towards Gould levels in alarmingly rapid fashion and doing a lot of potential Gould style damage with it.

[welshrover]

Did Kate Greville cost us a World Cup win?

Discuss!

[saturn9]

Jul 18, 2023 15:25:25 GMT jimexotic said:

I don't care what anyone says, I'd take him over Page right now, Page is edging towards Gould levels in alarmingly rapid fashion and doing a lot of potential Gould style damage with it.

Don't disagree with any of your observations.

[cogancoronation31]

There may be a way back for Giggs one day, but not in the near future. If anyone is breathing down Page's neck, it's Osian Roberts.

I reckon Giggs may look for a management role abroad.

[1gwaunview]

Time to forget him. Morally bankrupt piece of work.

[wft]

He was the beloved and much admired manager of our team before he gallantly stepped away to prevent us being tarnished by the Shituation forced upon him. He was victimised and had to bravely fight for his dignity and to clear his name whilst having to endure the crippling vicissitudes of the callous and cruel hearted. BUT after 2 and 1/2 years of unbearable unimaginable pressures emerged valiant As a leader with guile might....Surely we owe him an opportunity to return, shouldn't we humbly welcome him back into the fold and stand next to him. After A judge of the land declares him not guilty of all charges.

[allezlesrouges]

Jul 19, 2023 10:31:57 GMT wft said:

He was the beloved and much admired manager of our team before he gallantly stepped away to prevent us being tarnished by the Shituation forced upon him. He was victimised and had to bravely fight for his dignity and to clear his name whilst having to endure the crippling vicissitudes of the callous and cruel hearted. BUT after 2 and 1/2 years of unbearable unimaginable pressures emerged valiant As a leader with guile might....Surely we owe him an opportunity to return, shouldn't we humbly welcome him back into the fold and stand next to him. After A judge of the land declares him not guilty of all charges.

Nonsense, the woman withdrew from testifying the 2nd hearing because of the psychological toll this ordeal has placed on her and her family. The ridiculous legal system in this country that has stretched this out over 3 years has worsened her mental state, which is ridiculous given that case is relating to abuse in the first place. If you think her withdrawing for these reasons makes Giggs any less of a piece of sh*t then I feel sorry for you

Do you also think MJ was innocent because he didn't get convicted of anything? Do me a favour. The facts of the matter are obvious, the legal system is biased against women who are abused. I don't want Giggs anywhere near the national setup, or football in Wales for the rest of his life. Manchester can have him

[wft]

The law of the land says he is not guilty no need for personal abuse. Nearly seven thousand opinions you must know what you are talking about.

[allezlesrouges]

Jul 19, 2023 10:53:37 GMT wft said:

The law of the land says he is not guilty no need for personal abuse. Nearly seven thousand opinions you must know what you are talking about.

So what? The law of the land says that many criminals are not guilty, the legal system is imperfect. Benjamin Mendy was also recently considered not guilty, but guess what - only 1% of rape accusations are convicted. This is the world we live in

Giggs doesn't deserve to get another job in football imo

[wft]

Giggs' case was never contingent on other peoples cases who were facing charges.
Not relevant very poor argument..but haters gotta hate.

[CrackityJones]

In what world was he 'beloved and much admired' by Wales fans....is that you Ryan?

[allezlesrouges]

Jul 19, 2023 11:05:15 GMT wft said:

Gigg's case was never contingent on other peoples cases who were facing charges.
Not relevant very poor argument..but haters gotta hate.

You must be trolling

[wft]

what? because i have an opinion on a thread entitled Giggs and it is different to yours. Moral issues aside naturally.
Give him another go ladies and gentlemen.

[superunknown]

Jul 19, 2023 11:21:45 GMT wft said:

what? because i have an opinion on a thread entitled Giggs and it is different to yours. Moral issues aside naturally.
Give him another go ladies and gentlemen.

No thanks. Consigned to the dustbin of history where he belongs. See ya never Giggs.

[wft]

Just been reading about the 'Presumption of innocence' kind of thing that stops people being hung when the pitch fork and lighted torch brigade turn up. I have no idea which side was telling the truth , mercifully it was up to professional people and the jury to take that decision. As you know they found him innocent. Through lack of evidence apparently. Of course Giggs denied the accusations therefore believing himself to be innocent. I suppose if you think our former wizard of a player, team captain and manager is lying then do say so. Even proven criminals are given a second chance in our compassionate society.

[janglingjack]

Of course the shifty scumbag is lying,probably stealing someone else's wife as i type this

[wft]

The quality of mercy isn't strained, it falls from heaven as a gentle rain upon the place beneath,
it is twice blessed, blessing they that give as well as those that receive. it is mightiest in the mighty.

Shakespeare... well almost i changed it a bit to make it flow..he didn't quite write proper.

[conwy10]

Jul 19, 2023 10:31:57 GMT wft said:

He was the beloved and much admired manager of our team before he gallantly stepped away to prevent us being tarnished by the Shituation forced upon him. He was victimised and had to bravely fight for his dignity and to clear his name whilst having to endure the crippling vicissitudes of the callous and cruel hearted. BUT after 2 and 1/2 years of unbearable unimaginable pressures emerged valiant As a leader with guile might....Surely we owe him an opportunity to return, shouldn't we humbly welcome him back into the fold and stand next to him. After A judge of the land declares him not guilty of all charges.

He resigned from other football and business positions he held on day one of accusatuons. He held onto his job here, not allowing us to bring in someone as permanent manager, for over a year was it?

Like I said earlier if he'd have resigned straight away, similar to other roles he held, and now after not being found guilty came out and said I proved I'd done nothing wrong and now I want to return to the job I loved, I'd welcome him back. Sticking around like an open wound we can't treat whilst not putting his business interests through the same was shocking in my view. Even if he didnt resign from his other business or from Wales either at least its consistent.

[wft]

Interesting to hear opinions

[allezlesrouges]

I think there's a big asterisk by "found innocent" given that it's down to the accuser withdrawing citing their mental health

Innocent in the eyes of the high standards of the law isn't the same as actually innocent. I don't think you'll see many clubs looking to associate with him

[gwernybwch]

With the money that the Saudi's have, they can choose the pick of the bunch. I can't see them wanting to touch him at the moment. If he can tear himself away from his beloved Manchester, maybe a coaching job in a league in Asia or a country where his reputation hasn't been quite so damaged.

In the short term, a career of autograph and paid-for selfie sessions awaits.

[hooky]

Its a strange one is it not?

We all on balance assume he is guilty because of his womanising reputation but there have been no previous allegations of battering women and you'd assume someone would have come up from his past if that was part of his make up. Drink and violence do not tend to be something that come out of thin air. These kind of behaviours tend to be a pattern - they don't tend to happen out of the blue when you are 50 do they? Look at Huw Edwards and how one publicised event has triggered at least another 4 people coming forward

Then you have a witness. The problem is that witness is the plaintiff's sister.

Its a good point about there being a low conviction rate for men in terms of crimes against women. It is obvious that there are a lot of guilty men. It is absolutely disgusting and women should be far more protected in the system than they are when they come forward with their case.

On balance - I don't think he will be prevented from getting back into the game. Otherwise one is saying that anyone accused of something should be banned / treated like a criminal and that is simply unfair and in some cases dangerous. Mental health is a series subject and people being denied a job or a normal life for 2 years and everyone assuming they are guilty must be devastating - 'if' they are innocent. Imagine if it were a member of your family. We have seen people take their own life under such circumstances. Its also unhelpful that the plaintiff decided to drop the case now? Why after waiting for the retrial do you drop out when the time for the retrial arrives. Suggests the evidence is not clear cut - and everything was going to come down to her (and her sister's) word against that of Giggs.

I am not saying that Giggs is a good person - he isn't - but everyone assuming he batters women based on no evidence, given he has not been convicted, and when there has never been an accusation against him other than in this case, seems wrong. I suggest people should reflect on who they think they are to make such judgements when they are in no position to do so. I am not saying he should ever manage Wales again - I am just correcting the assumption he is actually guilty without a doubt based on nothing. In terms of his well publicised bad behaviour, then I am sure you all know that his dad was a womanising piece of crap who left the home when Ryan was very young and we know that there are many cases where children repeat the bad behaviours of their parents. Its not excusing anything - but just noting that his background is very different to many of ours and does explain the root of many anti-social / unkind behaviours.

Wish we could have Ryan Giggs the manager but not the man to replace Page. It is just madness all the things that have gone wrong with our managerial situation over the years (and nearly happened with Coleman - who was on the verge of quitting / close to being sacked perhaps during his early tenure with Wales).

[surge]

Jul 19, 2023 10:38:03 GMT allezlesrouges said:

Jul 19, 2023 10:31:57 GMT wft said:

He was the beloved and much admired manager of our team before he gallantly stepped away to prevent us being tarnished by the Shituation forced upon him. He was victimised and had to bravely fight for his dignity and to clear his name whilst having to endure the crippling vicissitudes of the callous and cruel hearted. BUT after 2 and 1/2 years of unbearable unimaginable pressures emerged valiant As a leader with guile might....Surely we owe him an opportunity to return, shouldn't we humbly welcome him back into the fold and stand next to him. After A judge of the land declares him not guilty of all charges.

Nonsense, the woman withdrew from testifying the 2nd hearing because of the psychological toll this ordeal has placed on her and her family. The ridiculous legal system in this country that has stretched this out over 3 years has worsened her mental state, which is ridiculous given that case is relating to abuse in the first place. If you think her withdrawing for these reasons makes Giggs any less of a piece of sh*t then I feel sorry for you

Do you also think MJ was innocent because he didn't get convicted of anything? Do me a favour. The facts of the matter are obvious, the legal system is biased against women who are abused. I don't want Giggs anywhere near the national setup, or football in Wales for the rest of his life. Manchester can have him

I don't disagree that serious questions need to be asked at the legal process given that none of us could put our lives on hold for 3 years. Giggs and his ex-girlfriend have both had to do that. 

Neither alleged victim or Giggs get justice out of this because there's been no definitive answer. As such, Giggs must be presumed innocent as he's not guilty of a crime, and now companies/clubs get to decide whether they want the risk of associating with him. 

A number of years ago the FAW decided they were comfortable with that risk but this is bigger than him being a cheat in his personal life. I think the time to work closely has passed so obvious option is to not entertain the question because there is no need. 

Personally speaking, I wouldn't want him at my club but do want him to be able to work in club football again because this is his profession and he's not guilty of a crime, but I think international football is an honour and that's something you should lose through bad behaviour...at least until you've earned it back. 

[morg]

In spite of Ched eventually being found not guilty was still uncomfortable with the prospect of his playing for Wales again. With that in mind, will be interesting to see how the Mendy situation pans out. High profile support from fellow pros and a contract with Lorient already. If he recaptures his old form, wouldn't bet against a national recall?