Giggs

[aberbeeg]

Great day of negative press in store for Wales and the FAW today. Giggs to appear at court.

[marsvolta]

Apr 28, 2021 6:16:01 GMT aberbeeg said:

Great day of negative press in store for Wales and the FAW today. Giggs to appear at court.

It’s been reported that a ‘lingerie model is supporting him through the court case’.
Sounds like he’ll manage to cope with the negative press.

[aberbeeg]

Apr 28, 2021 15:37:59 GMT marsvolta said:

Apr 28, 2021 6:16:01 GMT aberbeeg said:

Great day of negative press in store for Wales and the FAW today. Giggs to appear at court.

It’s been reported that a ‘lingerie model is supporting him through the court case’.
Sounds like he’ll manage to cope with the negative press.

Is it something to joke about? Can you honestly see the English FA standing by Southgate and having all his dirty washing aired in public?

it’s already been revealed he head butted one woman and has basically stalked and harnessed the women with a fear of physical violence. How much longer does the Welsh public have to listen to this sickening disgusting stuff while his name is still being associated as being the Welsh manager!!! 
Even if he DIDNT do any of the above .... he got himself into such a position that all this shit follows him about.

[marsvolta]

Apr 28, 2021 17:00:53 GMT aberbeeg said:

Apr 28, 2021 15:37:59 GMT marsvolta said:

It’s been reported that a ‘lingerie model is supporting him through the court case’.
Sounds like he’ll manage to cope with the negative press.

Is it something to joke about? Can you honestly see the English FA standing by Southgate and having all his dirty washing aired in public?

it’s already been revealed he head butted one woman and has basically stalked and harnessed the women with a fear of physical violence. How much longer does the Welsh public have to listen to this sickening disgusting stuff while his name is still being associated as being the Welsh manager!!! 
Even if he DIDNT do any of the above .... he got himself into such a position that all this shit follows him about.

What has my post got to do with anything you’ve said?

I’ve directly quoted several media outlets, even to the part where several newspapers have put inverted commas around the word ‘supported by a lingerie model’

[aberbeeg]

Apr 28, 2021 17:13:42 GMT marsvolta said:

Apr 28, 2021 17:00:53 GMT aberbeeg said:

Is it something to joke about? Can you honestly see the English FA standing by Southgate and having all his dirty washing aired in public?

it’s already been revealed he head butted one woman and has basically stalked and harnessed the women with a fear of physical violence. How much longer does the Welsh public have to listen to this sickening disgusting stuff while his name is still being associated as being the Welsh manager!!! 
Even if he DIDNT do any of the above .... he got himself into such a position that all this shit follows him about.

What has my post got to do with anything you’ve said?

I’ve directly quoted several media outlets, even to the part where several newspapers have put inverted commas around the word ‘supported by a lingerie model’

If I read your reply wrong I apologise.....I’m sad that all the dirty laundry is being associated with us

[marsvolta]

Apr 28, 2021 19:55:24 GMT aberbeeg said:

Apr 28, 2021 17:13:42 GMT marsvolta said:

What has my post got to do with anything you’ve said?

I’ve directly quoted several media outlets, even to the part where several newspapers have put inverted commas around the word ‘supported by a lingerie model’

If I read your reply wrong I apologise.....I’m sad that all the dirty laundry is being associated with us

No probs.

Yeah, I agree that it’s a real nightmare that we’re being associated with this.

The only saving grace is that he’s so famous in his own right that it’s kind of being sensationalised as ‘superstar Ryan Giggs’ rather than ‘Wales manager Ryan Giggs’

[gwernybwch]

"Ryan Giggs wants what is best for Wales at Euro 2020" (apart from when foregoing his wages or any compensation which could otherwise be invested in Welsh football)
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/56998729

[jackanapes]

Trial set for January next year (2022). His contract expires after the World Cup and he’s going to miss the entire qualifying campaign. If he had any respect for the FAW he’d resign.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57280487

[allezlesrouges]

Would make sense for him to resign, although I'm sure he'll stick it out for the payday. I guess this means in effect that he'll never manage us again, and Page is now our manager full time. If I were the FAW (and it was financially viable) I'd just pay him off now in full & cut ties

[1gwaunview]

Agreed, time for him to relinquish the job now before it becomes a complete farce.

[dai]

It's difficult really, look at the Ched Evans scenario, guilty>innocent. But at least Ched was dropped (obviously jailed at first), and then dropped indefinitely - whether you agree with that is your opinion.

But, is it really fair to let this dark cloud hang over Welsh football? It will have been over a year come January.

I have no doubt in my mind that he would have been sacked in most other countries.

[allezlesrouges]

Apologies I read that he was missing the entire World Cup campaign, but just noticed that he would only miss the qualifiers. That might change things. If he's cleared in January I'd expect him to want to carry on if we've qualified

[Deleted]

Wouldn't there be something in the contract he signed saying if he brought the FAW into diprepute or other such wording that he could be let go and lose a pay off or whatever,i know nothing of contracts but i thought they covered things like this,but i guess as he hasn't been found guilty that's not something they would like to be seen doing anyway.

[conwy10]

He’ll be on gardening leave until this plays itself out. It’ll be a massive open wound we can’t treat. It is beyond now but I doubt either side will pull the trigger.

Imagine Page won the Euros as a interim manager.

[allezlesrouges]

May 29, 2021 16:32:42 GMT conwy10 said:

He’ll be on gardening leave until this plays itself out. It’ll be a massive open wound we can’t treat. It is beyond now but I doubt either side will pull the trigger.

Imagine Page won the Euros as a interim manager.

I think if that happened we'd find the money to pay Giggs off

[marsvolta]

It’s getting to the stage where it will cost the same to pay him off as paying his monthly wages until this is all over.

[conwy10]

May 29, 2021 19:00:27 GMT marsvolta said:

It’s getting to the stage where it will cost the same to pay him off as paying his monthly wages until this is all over.

Surely he won’t be getting paid. If he is I hope it’s being paid be insurers or something. What would happen if he’s guilty, could we get the money back?

[marsvolta]

May 29, 2021 22:23:20 GMT conwy10 said:

May 29, 2021 19:00:27 GMT marsvolta said:

It’s getting to the stage where it will cost the same to pay him off as paying his monthly wages until this is all over.

Surely he won’t be getting paid. If he is I hope it’s being paid be insurers or something. What would happen if he’s guilty, could we get the money back?

Yes, he almost certainly will be on full pay as at this stage he hasn’t been found guilty of anything.

Also, I’m not aware of any insurance that would cover this.

[gwernybwch]

Imagine being such a cnut that you pass up the chance to manage this group of players at a major championship (and possibly a chance to manage his beloved United), just because you want to control some piece of skirt.

[hooky]

Jun 16, 2021 19:52:47 GMT gwernybwch said:

Imagine being such a cnut that you pass up the chance to manage this group of players at a major championship (and possibly a chance to manage his beloved United), just because you want to control some piece of skirt.

Can we stop this spite?

I am massively disappointed but he did help us on this journey and took a big risk blooding all those youngsters, while somehow getting results.

Its tragic for him that he has self destructed. No symapthy if he has done what was alleged but the bile goes over the top and helps no one 

[gwernybwch]

Jun 16, 2021 20:37:19 GMT hooky said:

Jun 16, 2021 19:52:47 GMT gwernybwch said:

Imagine being such a cnut that you pass up the chance to manage this group of players at a major championship (and possibly a chance to manage his beloved United), just because you want to control some piece of skirt.

Can we stop this spite?

I am massively disappointed but he did help us on this journey and took a big risk blooding all those youngsters, while somehow getting results.

Its tragic for him that he has self destructed. No symapthy if he has done what was alleged but the bile goes over the top and helps no one 

Whilst he continues to fill his pockets at the expense of every Welsh football fan in this country he will continue to receive my spite.



In him bloody youngsters, can we stop pretending he was some kind of revolutionary. In him coaching the best set of players we have ever had, lets stop saying he got us results.

[aberbeeg]

67 caps should read 167 caps…..selfish to the bitter end. Sooner he goes the better

[melynwy]

Jun 16, 2021 19:52:47 GMT gwernybwch said:

Imagine being such a cnut that you pass up the chance to manage this group of players at a major championship (and possibly a chance to manage his beloved United), just because you want to control some piece of skirt.

Imagine being such a cnut that you refer to a (potentially abused) person as “some piece of skirt”.

[saints19]

Jun 16, 2021 20:49:38 GMT gwernybwch said:

Jun 16, 2021 20:37:19 GMT hooky said:

Can we stop this spite?

I am massively disappointed but he did help us on this journey and took a big risk blooding all those youngsters, while somehow getting results.

Its tragic for him that he has self destructed. No symapthy if he has done what was alleged but the bile goes over the top and helps no one 

Whilst he continues to fill his pockets at the expense of every Welsh football fan in this country he will continue to receive my spite.



In him bloody youngsters, can we stop pretending he was some kind of revolutionary. In him coaching the best set of players we have ever had, lets stop saying he got us results.

i) Giggs is innocent until proven guilty, just like everyone else before the law, not to say he will not be proven guilty, but until/unless he is, he is innocent. And whilst this is the case there really isn't any reason he should not remain in post albeit suspended on full pay. People saying otherwise are making an argument that allegations (as opposed to a conviction) should be able to deprive someone of their job. That is not the kind of thing that should happen in a free country. It's the kind of bollocks that has been going on too often in the US and elsewhere lately where people are being dismissed, having honours taken away, on the basis of allegations, not proven charges. If someone is proven guilty of actual crimes, that's a totally different matter.

ii) Giggs's accomplishments as a player and manager are irrelevant to the court case and whether or not he is guilty of the things he has been accused of. He can have been a world class player and an OK manager whilst still committing assault. For what it's worth in my view you either take the view that Giggs got us those results or the players did. In which case Giggs deserves about the same credit as Coleman or now Page. Either the manager's consistently meaningless or he's not.

I was against Giggs getting the job, thought he did OK ultimately despite being shit initially, and will wait for the outcome of his trial before judging him as guilty or not of the serious allegations against him. I think that's a reasonable attitude. If he's found guilty however these are very serious charges and he should not be let off on account of his fame and wealth.

[gwernybwch]

Jun 16, 2021 22:24:03 GMT melynwy said:

Jun 16, 2021 19:52:47 GMT gwernybwch said:

Imagine being such a cnut that you pass up the chance to manage this group of players at a major championship (and possibly a chance to manage his beloved United), just because you want to control some piece of skirt.

Imagine being such a cnut that you refer to a (potentially abused) person as “some piece of skirt”.

That is not my opinion on women and certainly not my behaviour towards women. It was attempted to be written in the third person to reflect that it is almost certainly Giggs view on this woman. I unfortunately have to support domestically abused women in a fairly regular basis. Having this experience has further added to the contempt that I have for the man.

Regardless of whether he is proven innocent or guilty, I'll guarantee that the trial will show that the leader of our men's game in Wales continues not to express poor judgement and behaviours towards women.

[insertname]

Jun 16, 2021 20:49:38 GMT gwernybwch said:

Jun 16, 2021 20:37:19 GMT hooky said:

Can we stop this spite?

I am massively disappointed but he did help us on this journey and took a big risk blooding all those youngsters, while somehow getting results.

Its tragic for him that he has self destructed. No symapthy if he has done what was alleged but the bile goes over the top and helps no one 

Whilst he continues to fill his pockets at the expense of every Welsh football fan in this country he will continue to receive my spite.



In him bloody youngsters, can we stop pretending he was some kind of revolutionary. In him coaching the best set of players we have ever had, lets stop saying he got us results.

He’s not been found guilty yet. I’d be interested to hear the evidence.

My club hired Joey Barton as manager with a court case hanging over his head for abh. The word on the street was he had head butted Daniel Stendel and he was banged to rights. When the evidence that the CPS had collated was actually presented it turned out that at worst he had given him a shove from behind and he had fallen into the side of the tunnel and dislodged a tooth. You wonder whether it’s in the public interest to take stuff like this to crown court. So I would first wait to hear what the substance of the allegation against him consists of and what supporting evidence there is before throwing the book at him. He is innocent until proven guilty don’t forget and as such is entitled to earn a wage.

[melynwy]

Jun 17, 2021 1:38:59 GMT gwernybwch said:

Jun 16, 2021 22:24:03 GMT melynwy said:

Imagine being such a cnut that you refer to a (potentially abused) person as “some piece of skirt”.

That is not my opinion on women and certainly not my behaviour towards women. It was attempted to be written in the third person to reflect that it is almost certainly Giggs view on this woman. I unfortunately have to support domestically abused women in a fairly regular basis. Having this experience has further added to the contempt that I have for the man.

Regardless of whether he is proven innocent or guilty, I'll guarantee that the trial will show that the leader of our men's game in Wales continues not to express poor judgement and behaviours towards women.

Ok my apologies. But that wasn’t entirely clear in the post I don’t think.

[gwernybwch]

Jun 17, 2021 6:19:38 GMT melynwy said:

Jun 17, 2021 1:38:59 GMT gwernybwch said:

That is not my opinion on women and certainly not my behaviour towards women. It was attempted to be written in the third person to reflect that it is almost certainly Giggs view on this woman. I unfortunately have to support domestically abused women in a fairly regular basis. Having this experience has further added to the contempt that I have for the man.

Regardless of whether he is proven innocent or guilty, I'll guarantee that the trial will show that the leader of our men's game in Wales continues not to express poor judgement and behaviours towards women.

Ok my apologies. But that wasn’t entirely clear in the post I don’t think.

My apologies as well. It was a poorly worded post, fuelled on a huge amount of adrenaline and a certain amount of alcohol.


We're in the golden era of Welsh football and lifelong fans like me should be celebrating our achievements (regardless of who we think are responsible for them) not sniping at others.

[CrackityJones]

The trial has been put back to August. When is his contract up so we can just cut ties?

[erasedcitizen]

Jan 18, 2022 14:04:05 GMT CrackityJones said:

The trial has been put back to August. When is his contract up so we can just cut ties?

After the world cup.