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Giggs
Jan 7, 2018 15:40:22 GMT
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Post by CrackityJones on Jan 7, 2018 15:40:22 GMT
This thread title for starters should be changed as I have not seen hate on this message board, but discussion on a high profile candidate. Title of thread amended as requested. Some people on social media do act like they hate him tho, the debate on here is a bit fairer obviously, but some on social media have been vile and its pathetic really. Give it a rest |
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Post by cadno on Jan 7, 2018 16:26:23 GMT
I think Giggs would get us to play exciting, attacking football. A similar style that perhaps Gary Speed was working towards.
My problem with him is that I'm not sure he'd put all of his heart into the job, like Cookie did.
Carl Robinson on the other hand, would probably have us play in a similar way to Cookie - something I think probably suits our players.
And I have absolutely no doubt about his passion and commitment to Wales and Welsh football.
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Post by manulike on Jan 7, 2018 18:35:57 GMT
Well done the Mods, for changing the really unfortunate thread name.
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Giggs
Jan 7, 2018 20:30:13 GMT
Post by pendragon on Jan 7, 2018 20:30:13 GMT
I second the call to remove ‘hate’ from the title of this thread, it makes those opposed to Giggs seem irrational. One of the mods will have to do it because the OP hasn’t been on here much since they started the thread, something I’ve always found a bit suspect. Yep... Where is the OP now I wonder?........ |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 7, 2018 22:35:50 GMT
I second the call to remove ‘hate’ from the title of this thread, it makes those opposed to Giggs seem irrational. One of the mods will have to do it because the OP hasn’t been on here much since they started the thread, something I’ve always found a bit suspect. Yep... Where is the OP now I wonder?........ Off to Ludlow preparing to interview for the Wales manager's job  |
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Post by cymroircarn on Jan 8, 2018 0:13:47 GMT
Yep... Where is the OP now I wonder?........ Off to Ludlow preparing to interview for the Wales manager's job Heard he just checked into the Royal under the name “Brian Biggs” |
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Post by saints19 on Jan 8, 2018 20:23:56 GMT
Qualification has to be the aim with top two in group automatically qualifying, plus Nations League play-offs. The only easier tournament to qualify for was Euro 2016. Is the squad good enough to finish in the top 2 with a decent draw? Yes. Haven't looked at the seedlings in months but I'm guessing we'll get Germany, Italy, Wales, Holland, Georgia, Kosovo We may be in pot 2 or 3, depending on how the NL goes.... To be honest I wouldn't fear the Dutch right now, and Italy can't be too hot to lose to Sweden over two legs. Not that in such a group we would not be fourth favourites, but it wouldn't be an impossible task by any stretch.... |
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Jan 8, 2018 22:24:38 GMT
Post by joseywales37 on Jan 8, 2018 22:24:38 GMT
Some people on social media do act like they hate him tho, the debate on here is a bit fairer obviously, but some on social media have been vile and its pathetic really. Give it a rest Give what a rest ?, giving an opinion on something ?, I said its obviously fairer on here, yes its a good thing the title changed on here. |
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Giggs
Jan 8, 2018 22:42:29 GMT
Post by biwmares on Jan 8, 2018 22:42:29 GMT
I completely respect that you were one of the hardcore around when Giggs was a player for us, but imo there are a hell of a lot who were not and a lot are taking to social media going on about the friendlies and who he slept with like they were all around when he played to half empty stadiums, or you might have had the odd few who went when the Mill stad was occasionally full. The furore about the friendlies was almost non existent compared to now when Giggs was being substituted on his 64th cap, in fact he had standing ovation. A lot of the people have never even considered reading his book where it touches on the supposed agreement between Utd and Wales and how this changed when Toshack took charge again. With Hartson having zero coaching experience id love to see him doing something with the really low age groups, because as you said that man has won so many battles already, absolutely love the guy, I think we would all love him on board somehow. As for working with youngsters who are now 1st teamers, I just can't see how they would not be in awe of working with the likes of Giggs, in fact Brooks and Woodburn remind me more of Giggs style than Bale. Some footballers just inspire other footballers by being who they are. Hartson has coaching experience with Wales. He was part of the team with Coleman in the early days. He has also been at Newport County and Livingston. So to say he has zero coaching experience is incorrect. Agree he has coaching experience but results improved after John Hartson left the Welsh set-up. |
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Post by joseywales37 on Jan 8, 2018 22:42:35 GMT
I think Giggs would get us to play exciting, attacking football. A similar style that perhaps Gary Speed was working towards. My problem with him is that I'm not sure he'd put all of his heart into the job, like Cookie did.
Carl Robinson on the other hand, would probably have us play in a similar way to Cookie - something I think probably suits our players. And I have absolutely no doubt about his passion and commitment to Wales and Welsh football. I think he would put everything into it , he probs knows by now that is going to be divisive, I would hope he sees it as a challenge to not only get it right on field but see it as opportunity to put things right with fans. Agree with playing style too. Not sure about Carl Robinson playing style etc, but agree on passion and commitment too, same with Bellamy on this. This Osian bit is the real dilemma for me, we are so fortunate to have someone as knowledge able and respected in what he does now, I kind of don't want that to change. |
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Post by cadno on Jan 9, 2018 16:09:46 GMT
I think Giggs would get us to play exciting, attacking football. A similar style that perhaps Gary Speed was working towards. My problem with him is that I'm not sure he'd put all of his heart into the job, like Cookie did.
Carl Robinson on the other hand, would probably have us play in a similar way to Cookie - something I think probably suits our players. And I have absolutely no doubt about his passion and commitment to Wales and Welsh football. I think he would put everything into it , he probs knows by now that is going to be divisive, I would hope he sees it as a challenge to not only get it right on field but see it as opportunity to put things right with fans. Agree with playing style too. Not sure about Carl Robinson playing style etc, but agree on passion and commitment too, same with Bellamy on this. This Osian bit is the real dilemma for me, we are so fortunate to have someone as knowledge able and respected in what he does now, I kind of don't want that to change. That's a good point about Giggs, I'd love him to prove a lot of us wrong if he does get the job. I'm also finding it extremely hard to come to a decision on OR. It'd be interesting to see who he'd bring in as his staff - he certainly has a lot of contacts. |
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Jan 9, 2018 16:43:12 GMT
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Post by pendragon on Jan 9, 2018 16:43:12 GMT
Talk of Giggs being one of the favourites for the Stoke job following Hughes' sacking.
I can't see it myself. It's been reported in the Mirror (so large grain of salt required). If he couldn't get the Swansea job, I doubt he'd bag this one either, seeing as they are slightly higher placed than the Swans and surely a Premier League team won't risk the threat of relegation with an inexperienced Manager.
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Jan 9, 2018 16:44:40 GMT
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Post by pendragon on Jan 9, 2018 16:44:40 GMT
I think he would put everything into it , he probs knows by now that is going to be divisive, I would hope he sees it as a challenge to not only get it right on field but see it as opportunity to put things right with fans. Agree with playing style too. Not sure about Carl Robinson playing style etc, but agree on passion and commitment too, same with Bellamy on this. This Osian bit is the real dilemma for me, we are so fortunate to have someone as knowledge able and respected in what he does now, I kind of don't want that to change. That's a good point about Giggs, I'd love him to prove a lot of us wrong if he does get the job. I'm also finding it extremely hard to come to a decision on OR. It'd be interesting to see who he'd bring in as his staff - he certainly has a lot of contacts. Hmmm.. maybe Henry would be offered a coaching role.. |
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jan 9, 2018 16:49:51 GMT
That's a good point about Giggs, I'd love him to prove a lot of us wrong if he does get the job. I'm also finding it extremely hard to come to a decision on OR. It'd be interesting to see who he'd bring in as his staff - he certainly has a lot of contacts. Hmmm.. maybe Henry would be offered a coaching role.. Hes not gonna leave Belgium role to be a coach for Wales. Brussels is just as far as Cardiff from London, and hes likely on a much higher contract than we could offer him, with a team that has the players and the ability to win the World Cup (as much as i wish we did - we don't (mind after the Euro's, never say never)). |
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Jan 9, 2018 18:34:29 GMT
Post by squatter1 on Jan 9, 2018 18:34:29 GMT
Talk of Giggs being one of the favourites for the Stoke job following Hughes' sacking. I can't see it myself. It's been reported in the Mirror (so large grain of salt required). If he couldn't get the Swansea job, I doubt he'd bag this one either, seeing as they are slightly higher placed than the Swans and surely a Premier League team won't risk the threat of relegation with an inexperienced Manager. Why in hell's name would Stoke City appoint Ryan Giggs to guide them out of a relegation battle? Completely insane, and pointless newspaper tittle tattle. I can't think of a single reason that would seem like a sensible appointment. Like you say, Mirror - enough said. There is a danger of Wales appointing him for sentimental reasons, but a hard-nosed business like a Premiership club? Not a chance in hell before he gets some kind of experience as a manager. Right, here's a question (genuine, got no answer): when was the last time a Premiership club appointed a player with no first team management experience as manager, when that player wasn't already part of their club? (ie, not like Gary Monk, who was a Swans player for years previous)? |
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Jan 9, 2018 18:41:12 GMT
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Post by pendragon on Jan 9, 2018 18:41:12 GMT
The article talks of the FAW having been too slow and potentially missing out on snapping up Giggs to Stoke. Honestly, if this wasn't published in the Mirror, it'd have Abbandonato written all over it.
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Jan 9, 2018 21:06:53 GMT
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Post by cymroircarn on Jan 9, 2018 21:06:53 GMT
The article talks of the FAW having been too slow and potentially missing out on snapping up Giggs to Stoke. Honestly, if this wasn't published in the Mirror, it'd have Abbandonato written all over it. Don’t the the Trinity Mirror group own the western mail? |
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Giggs
Jan 9, 2018 23:10:50 GMT
Post by joseywales37 on Jan 9, 2018 23:10:50 GMT
Talk of Giggs being one of the favourites for the Stoke job following Hughes' sacking. I can't see it myself. It's been reported in the Mirror (so large grain of salt required). If he couldn't get the Swansea job, I doubt he'd bag this one either, seeing as they are slightly higher placed than the Swans and surely a Premier League team won't risk the threat of relegation with an inexperienced Manager. Why in hell's name would Stoke City appoint Ryan Giggs to guide them out of a relegation battle? Completely insane, and pointless newspaper tittle tattle. I can't think of a single reason that would seem like a sensible appointment. Like you say, Mirror - enough said. There is a danger of Wales appointing him for sentimental reasons, but a hard-nosed business like a Premiership club? Not a chance in hell before he gets some kind of experience as a manager. Right, here's a question (genuine, got no answer): when was the last time a Premiership club appointed a player with no first team management experience as manager, when that player wasn't already part of their club? (ie, not like Gary Monk, who was a Swans player for years previous)? That's good question Shows how different club and international is in a way. I think Keegan might be one at Newcastle and if you are not taking into account being an assistant manager or player/caretaker manager for any length of time was thinking Stuart Pearce, Zola, don't know why but I'm sure Mark Bowen somewhere along line. Got me thinking now that lol. |
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Jan 9, 2018 23:14:05 GMT
Post by joseywales37 on Jan 9, 2018 23:14:05 GMT
I think he would put everything into it , he probs knows by now that is going to be divisive, I would hope he sees it as a challenge to not only get it right on field but see it as opportunity to put things right with fans. Agree with playing style too. Not sure about Carl Robinson playing style etc, but agree on passion and commitment too, same with Bellamy on this. This Osian bit is the real dilemma for me, we are so fortunate to have someone as knowledge able and respected in what he does now, I kind of don't want that to change. That's a good point about Giggs, I'd love him to prove a lot of us wrong if he does get the job. I'm also finding it extremely hard to come to a decision on OR. It'd be interesting to see who he'd bring in as his staff - he certainly has a lot of contacts. Its funny with Os, in some ways it feels like he is already more important to Welsh football than the actual manager, he seems to be involved in everything lol. |
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Jan 9, 2018 23:18:45 GMT
Post by joseywales37 on Jan 9, 2018 23:18:45 GMT
Hmmm.. maybe Henry would be offered a coaching role.. Hes not gonna leave Belgium role to be a coach for Wales. Brussels is just as far as Cardiff from London, and hes likely on a much higher contract than we could offer him, with a team that has the players and the ability to win the World Cup (as much as i wish we did - we don't (mind after the Euro's, never say never)). Yeh agree there tbh, as much as great football head Henry is and I have no doubts about what he could bring to table, Belgium are potential winners, I can see him becoming France or Arsenal manager at some point tbh. |
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Jan 9, 2018 23:24:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 23:24:54 GMT
Talk Sport are suggesting Johnson at Bristol City for Stoke. Probably crap.
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Jan 10, 2018 11:27:48 GMT
Post by phillywelsh83 on Jan 10, 2018 11:27:48 GMT
Talk Sport are suggesting Johnson at Bristol City for Stoke. Probably crap. Would be a good appointment or Rowett. There are some seriously good managers down the levels, its time the Premier League clubs stop appointing the same old same old, you appoint the same old, you will get the same old! |
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Post by cymroircarn on Jan 10, 2018 12:26:38 GMT
Talk Sport are suggesting Johnson at Bristol City for Stoke. Probably crap. Would be a good appointment or Rowett. There are some seriously good managers down the levels, its time the Premier League clubs stop appointing the same old same old, you appoint the same old, you will get the same old! If Pardew doesn’t keep West Brom up I can’t see him getting another Premier League job. I agree some fresh faces would be good in the Premier League |
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Jan 10, 2018 13:28:49 GMT
Post by pendragon on Jan 10, 2018 13:28:49 GMT
The article talks of the FAW having been too slow and potentially missing out on snapping up Giggs to Stoke. Honestly, if this wasn't published in the Mirror, it'd have Abbandonato written all over it. Don’t the the Trinity Mirror group own the western mail? Ha, good point. I sense a conspiracy.. |
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Jan 12, 2018 15:09:06 GMT
Post by cadno on Jan 12, 2018 15:09:06 GMT
It looks like it will be Giggs, I'll be excited to see what kind of football we play under him.
I'm imagining a possession based, attacking 4-3-3 / 3-4-3.
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Post by yanto on Jan 12, 2018 15:12:52 GMT
It looks like it will be Giggs, I'll be excited to see what kind of football we play under him. I'm imagining a possession based, attacking 4-3-3 / 3-4-3. Noce, positive post. Agree i can only imaagine him playing an attacking style....... |
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Jan 12, 2018 15:25:27 GMT
Post by pendragon on Jan 12, 2018 15:25:27 GMT
It looks like it will be Giggs, I'll be excited to see what kind of football we play under him. I'm imagining a possession based, attacking 4-3-3 / 3-4-3. Has it been reported? I've only seen that he was interviewed this morning.. |
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Post by cadno on Jan 12, 2018 15:27:09 GMT
It looks like it will be Giggs, I'll be excited to see what kind of football we play under him. I'm imagining a possession based, attacking 4-3-3 / 3-4-3. Noce, positive post. Agree i can only imaagine him playing an attacking style....... We might as well back him, I'd support Donald Duck if he was in charge. Attacking football. Creative freedom. He won't be afraid to play young players. He has supported grassroots football in Wales. He'll pass on great knowledge, especially to the likes of Brooks, Lawrence, Woodburn etc. |
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Jan 12, 2018 17:42:00 GMT
Post by saints19 on Jan 12, 2018 17:42:00 GMT
Style of play is irrelevant. Anyone could see our weakness over the last few years (except for the 2016 campaign) has been defensive. Does Giggs know anything in that regard? I haven't seen any evidence.
I remain hopeful it will be Roberts, and if the FAW do appoint Giggs they can't say the fans didn't try to warn them of the impending disaster.
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Post by alarch on Jan 12, 2018 17:54:17 GMT
Style of play is irrelevant. Anyone could see our weakness over the last few years (except for the 2016 campaign) has been defensive. Does Giggs know anything in that regard? I haven't seen any evidence. I remain hopeful it will be Roberts, and if the FAW do appoint Giggs they can't say the fans didn't try to warn them of the impending disaster. The stats don't support that view saints19. Even in the last campaign we were in the top ten on goals conceded in Europe. The previous campaign we were in the top 5. Our problems have consistently been at the other end. Take out the Moldova goals and we managed to score fewer than a goal a game. I'm not keen on Giggs at all - but there's little evidence to suggest he is likely to be a disaster. |
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