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Mar 27, 2018 22:21:19 GMT
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Mar 27, 2018 22:21:19 GMT
So far so good for Wales and giggs, China has been good experience and put Wales little bit higher on the world map.
As for giggs I was 50/50 kept changing mind but liked what I saw and got a gowid feelings on the future.
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Post by insertname on Mar 27, 2018 23:20:49 GMT
He has a go and he picks unfashionable players, that is about as good as it gets for me at the moment. Compared to Coleman's unfortunately stale end to his tenure Giggs has been like a breath of fresh air. Despise him as a footballer and as a man but as a manager he is in very real danger of turning out to be a good appointment.
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Mar 27, 2018 23:37:59 GMT
Post by georgetm1 on Mar 27, 2018 23:37:59 GMT
On his personal life I see him as a highly selfish, thoughtless person. As a manager, for me the jury is still out but wavering towards slightly more positive than negative. I was really impressed against China but that blinded me to how bad China really were (just watch their highlights against the Czech's, holy shit)and while I did see positives in the loss against Uruguay, the reality is that they were tearing our defence apart and we had a shitload of luck on our side.
But its only two games in and I don't think anyone knows how good he is.
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Mar 27, 2018 23:59:40 GMT
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 27, 2018 23:59:40 GMT
The main thing that has changed for me since his appointment is that I find I’m defending him rather than attacking him.
A quick look through my post history will show that I was very anti-Giggs but now I’m defending him on forum and newspaper articles. Just about every newspaper article about Wales will have a huge pile of (usually) England fans slagging him off, posting hugely unoriginal jokes/comments about his affair with his brothers wife or his lack of friendly appearances and this has made me support him more.
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Giggs
Mar 28, 2018 2:09:31 GMT
Post by saints19 on Mar 28, 2018 2:09:31 GMT
I think the China Cup performances were OK, but there were some worrying signs in the Uruguay defeat in terms of how easy it was for their admittedly superb players to create chances. It could, maybe should have been 4-1 if both sides had taken their realistic chances. If you had an expected goals stat it would probably have been something like 2.8-0.6 to Uruguay.
I'm worried we're going to throw away the defensively solid base we had under Coleman, which was flawed but at least gave us a chance to punch above our weight. There's no way we'd have been unbeaten across three games with Belgium in the 2016 campaign playing free-flowing attacking football. At some point you are going to come up against teams that are as good or better than you. I'm not sure that an attacking style will necessarily bring rewards in the games that really matter. We might rack up some margins against the lower seeds, though.
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Mar 28, 2018 2:40:35 GMT
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Post by cymroircarn on Mar 28, 2018 2:40:35 GMT
It doesn’t have to be one or the other though does it?
We need to strike the right balance between both
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Mar 28, 2018 7:04:58 GMT
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Post by insertname on Mar 28, 2018 7:04:58 GMT
I think the China Cup performances were OK, but there were some worrying signs in the Uruguay defeat in terms of how easy it was for their admittedly superb players to create chances. It could, maybe should have been 4-1 if both sides had taken their realistic chances. If you had an expected goals stat it would probably have been something like 2.8-0.6 to Uruguay. I'm worried we're going to throw away the defensively solid base we had under Coleman, which was flawed but at least gave us a chance to punch above our weight. There's no way we'd have been unbeaten across three games with Belgium in the 2016 campaign playing free-flowing attacking football. At some point you are going to come up against teams that are as good or better than you. I'm not sure that an attacking style will necessarily bring rewards in the games that really matter. We might rack up some margins against the lower seeds, though. Remind me how many world cups Coleman took us to?
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Mar 28, 2018 7:25:04 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 7:25:04 GMT
^ As many as numerous predecessors did!
Part of me found Coleman a bit of a joke. Poor spells at dodgy clubs mixed in with the press conference shenanigans at Real Sociedad saw him in decline. He resurrected himself with Wales but has produced nothing at Sunderland. They're up for sale now and chances are new owners will want their own man in. Where will he end up when they're inevitably relegated?
As fans, we know very little in comparison to the powers that be in football. Chances are Giggs told the interviewers everything they wanted to hear and his connections in the game would ensure players wanted to work for him. I wanted Bellamy as it feels like he's one of us but Giggs has my backing too. Perhaps more now than when he came in.
Interestingly, most of my English friends (I'm Manchester based) really wanted to talk to me about the appointment when they never normally would do about our glorious nation.
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Mar 28, 2018 10:07:36 GMT
Post by phillywelsh83 on Mar 28, 2018 10:07:36 GMT
As much as i love Coleman and will hear no bad word about him - i think Giggs will experiment more with the kids (that sounds awful, but couldnt think of a better way to put it). Coleman relied on certain players, i do think under Giggs players will get their chance. That has its negatives too mind, as it may hamper our ranking. Judging by what I have seen and heard of his tactics already, I fully expect him to be experimental in other regards too, such as strategy deployment and playing attacking-based free-flowing football, which I think will be an exciting development in Welsh football. The future is bright.
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Mar 28, 2018 11:30:29 GMT
Post by phillywelsh83 on Mar 28, 2018 11:30:29 GMT
No change for me, was positive about his abilities prior to appointment and that hasnt changed. Was only against the appointment based on it splitting the red wall. But i think it will take more than a managerial change to break down that wall!
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Mar 28, 2018 12:49:24 GMT
Post by saints19 on Mar 28, 2018 12:49:24 GMT
I think the China Cup performances were OK, but there were some worrying signs in the Uruguay defeat in terms of how easy it was for their admittedly superb players to create chances. It could, maybe should have been 4-1 if both sides had taken their realistic chances. If you had an expected goals stat it would probably have been something like 2.8-0.6 to Uruguay. I'm worried we're going to throw away the defensively solid base we had under Coleman, which was flawed but at least gave us a chance to punch above our weight. There's no way we'd have been unbeaten across three games with Belgium in the 2016 campaign playing free-flowing attacking football. At some point you are going to come up against teams that are as good or better than you. I'm not sure that an attacking style will necessarily bring rewards in the games that really matter. We might rack up some margins against the lower seeds, though. Remind me how many world cups Coleman took us to? That's your response to my thought through, detailed argument? Coleman took us to a semi finals of a Euros. If Giggs gets us to the next Euros, regardless of how we perform, that will have been acceptable, but my concern at the moment is if we are as defensively naïve as we were against Uruguay we are going to come a cropper against the better teams.
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Mar 28, 2018 14:38:03 GMT
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Mar 28, 2018 14:38:03 GMT
Always supported him ,team and tactics wise did well against China and from what I saw of the first half against Uruguay. He has gotta be given time and im sure he will be even more successful than Chris.
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Mar 28, 2018 15:21:36 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Mar 28, 2018 15:21:36 GMT
The main thing that has changed for me since his appointment is that I find I’m defending him rather than attacking him. A quick look through my post history will show that I was very anti-Giggs but now I’m defending him on forum and newspaper articles. Just about every newspaper article about Wales will have a huge pile of (usually) England fans slagging him off, posting hugely unoriginal jokes/comments about his affair with his brothers wife or his lack of friendly appearances and this has made me support him more. My posts have been similar, can't stand the tosser, but he seems to be settling into the post and his interviews have been optimistic for the future. Unless/until he drops a clanger I'll keep my powder dry and not make any further comments.
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Mar 28, 2018 15:33:29 GMT
Post by bringbackelmo on Mar 28, 2018 15:33:29 GMT
Perhaps marginally, but not much. Two friendlies weren't going to have much an impact, but he seems to be taking some positive steps.
When we've qualified for Euro 2020, then he'll have changed my mind.
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Mar 28, 2018 15:39:13 GMT
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Post by matty on Mar 28, 2018 15:39:13 GMT
I'm definitely more positive after the two games and the press conferences, media work etc. Not that i was overly disappointed in the FAWs choice - i only thought there was one person better. Its nothing new with us appointing an unpopular manager. Speed, Coleman, Toshack etc. Was Mark Hughes the popular choice? I guess he was? The difference now is we seem to have more fans so the negative comments just seem that much louder.
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Mar 28, 2018 16:01:44 GMT
Post by CrackityJones on Mar 28, 2018 16:01:44 GMT
Definitely feeling less nervous about his appointment, mainly because the players appear to be 100% behind him. Early days yet mind so I’m still a bit weary. We should know a lot more of what he’s about by the end of the year anyway.
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Mar 30, 2018 12:08:53 GMT
Post by joseywales37 on Mar 30, 2018 12:08:53 GMT
Ive always been pro Giggs to have a crack at the job tbh, the only concern I had was with backroom staff, which I feel that he has got spot on.
I always felt there wouldn't be a problem with the players taking to him as most of them including Bale and especially the young players, look up to him as a player and some one who can help them possibly get the most out of their careers.
Having seen his 1st 2 games, I liked the fluidity of the formation, with our best players I think it could be good as it allows us to switch between at least 3 different formations in game without using subs. I feel like the performance levels are up (with obvious exceptions of Gunter and Williams, who were not at their best), and we kept going until the final whistle, which was nice to see. The shots Uruguay got in were pretty much caused by our defenders being stupid with the passing. Even though we did not win competition, we gave youngsters that much needed chance, even if it was only 20 mins.
Only think I hope Giggs sees that I think Cookie missed big time in last campaign was the use of Gareth Bale as an out and out winger sometimes in games when we need that outlet ala goals v Inter, Barca, Iceland to name a few. Think we really miss this sometimes when we up against it, and there not many better in world at this, where you can be pushed out of touch in full flight and still beat the man to the ball.
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Post by hookd on Jun 1, 2018 23:22:19 GMT
Long way to go but so far he's doing OK isn't he? Lots of youngsters given a chance but our results have nevertheless been respectable. Seems to give a balanced, honest and informed assessment of things / what needs to be improved. He is also more attack minded than Coleman which is great timing given our forward resources seem to be improving. He also seems to be enjoying it and pretty enthusiastic, especially in respect to the young talent coming through.
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Jun 2, 2018 0:02:01 GMT
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jun 2, 2018 0:02:01 GMT
Agree.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jun 2, 2018 6:10:15 GMT
But didn't he sleep with his brothers wife He didn't turn up for friendlies He be off to man United soon He played for teamgb Etc etc etc blah blah blah
🤣😃🤣🤣😃😃😃
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Jun 2, 2018 7:14:22 GMT
Post by cymru98 on Jun 2, 2018 7:14:22 GMT
Enjoying watching the youngsters get time, may not be his greatest fan but I will support anyone 100% as manager!!
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Jun 2, 2018 10:55:33 GMT
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Jun 2, 2018 10:55:33 GMT
He is doing very well results and getting the younger players involved.
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Jun 2, 2018 23:55:50 GMT
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Post by marsvolta on Jun 2, 2018 23:55:50 GMT
But didn't he sleep with his brothers wife He didn't turn up for friendlies He be off to man United soon He played for teamgb Etc etc etc blah blah blah 🤣😃🤣🤣😃😃😃 Ha ha To be fair, just about everyone who didn’t want him because of the reasons listed above said that they would give him their full support if he got the job.
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Jun 3, 2018 3:46:09 GMT
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jun 3, 2018 3:46:09 GMT
But didn't he sleep with his brothers wife He didn't turn up for friendlies He be off to man United soon He played for teamgb Etc etc etc blah blah blah 🤣😃🤣🤣😃😃😃 Ha ha To be fair, just about everyone who didn’t want him because of the reasons listed above said that they would give him their full support if he got the job. Early days yet, but from a PR side he has ticked all the boxes and met people and the open training at Wrexham wad a success. The away game at Mexico was used to bring in young talent to see give experience with should help going forward. Next game is Ireland home a big game for both teams with the grudge match of a local derby lol.
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Post by cymroircarn on Jun 3, 2018 6:24:14 GMT
If he can beat ROI (something we have not done for nearly 30 years) then it will be a huge step to getting the fans on side.
Next step will be to qualify for the Euros...
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Jun 3, 2018 18:55:31 GMT
Post by gwernybwch on Jun 3, 2018 18:55:31 GMT
He is doing very well results and getting the younger players involved. Eh? We lost to Uruguay and failed to look like scoring against Mexico. Long way to go but so far he's doing OK isn't he? Lots of youngsters given a chance but our results have nevertheless been respectable. Seems to give a balanced, honest and informed assessment of things / what needs to be improved. He is also more attack minded than Coleman which is great timing given our forward resources seem to be improving. He also seems to be enjoying it and pretty enthusiastic, especially in respect to the young talent coming through. Blood a few youngsters and work on a different system is pretty much what I would have expected from any new manager. The main positives for me is he doesn't seem to have alienated any of the players (Gould, Toshack anyone?), he kept Osian on and he hasn't entirely brought his cronies in. Disappointing that Rylands has left thou. After a slow start, he does seem to be getting about more now and meeting / coaching the youngsters (although I don't know if this due to his McDonalds association). It was great to see him in Mid Wales and at the FAW Final. The things that I think that he could have improved on that it still doesn't feel like Wales is his sole focus; does he still have to a director of whatever in Vietnam? Whilst on international duty does he still have to answer journalists questions about Man United? Does he really need to do English media work instead of watching our next opponents?
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Jun 3, 2018 19:01:38 GMT
Post by gwernybwch on Jun 3, 2018 19:01:38 GMT
Ha ha To be fair, just about everyone who didn’t want him because of the reasons listed above said that they would give him their full support if he got the job. Early days yet, but from a PR side he has ticked all the boxes and met people and the open training at Wrexham wad a success. The away game at Mexico was used to bring in young talent to see give experience with should help going forward. Next game is Ireland home a big game for both teams with the grudge match of a local derby lol. Next game is DENMARK AWAY. Or as a Giggs supporter you follow in his footsteps and don't do weekend games in case you miss the next club game??? LOL ?
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Post by leggybach on Jun 3, 2018 19:53:13 GMT
Early days yet, but from a PR side he has ticked all the boxes and met people and the open training at Wrexham wad a success. The away game at Mexico was used to bring in young talent to see give experience with should help going forward. Next game is Ireland home a big game for both teams with the grudge match of a local derby lol. Next game is DENMARK AWAY. Or as a Giggs supporter you follow in his footsteps and don't do weekend games in case you miss the next club game??? LOL ? You're wrong. Ireland home on the Thursday, Denmark away on the Sunday.
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Post by gwernybwch on Jun 3, 2018 20:03:26 GMT
Next game is DENMARK AWAY. Or as a Giggs supporter you follow in his footsteps and don't do weekend games in case you miss the next club game??? LOL ? You're wrong. Ireland home on the Thursday, Denmark away on the Sunday. Just checked. Blimey you're right [Hangs my head in shame]
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