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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jun 4, 2018 3:48:04 GMT
You're wrong. Ireland home on the Thursday, Denmark away on the Sunday. Just checked. Blimey you're right [Hangs my head in shame] Bit like giggs I don't do many "friendlies" 😎 I generally only do Wales away. So Denmark Albania and Ireland away all booked
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Post by ausred88 on Jun 4, 2018 7:29:02 GMT
He is doing very well results and getting the younger players involved. I would be surprised if he's ever given a United interview where he doesn't mention young players. It's in his blood.
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jun 4, 2018 10:04:16 GMT
He has made a great start, it was probably wise to play a number of away friendlies before his first home game. I think the general feeling around him is far more positive now. He has done so far what i though he would in terms of blooding youngsters, he gets that mentality from working with Sir Alex all them years at a club that is youth focused. Its hard to really see how he is doing until we get the first test of competitive football in September. But generally i think hes made a great start to life as Wales manager, and im very positive about the future with him in charge.
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Post by saints19 on Jun 4, 2018 11:00:32 GMT
It's way too soon to judge Giggs either way after three friendlies. I think he's done OK, but not more than that - I'm not sure we can really judge a manager after such a small number of games since managers often start well even when they are ultimately unsuccessful (Coleman conversely started terribly). I'm struggling to see much more attacking intent in our games other than the China one in which we were literally so much better than the opposition that there was little management necessary. The encouraging thing is we haven't lost our defensive shape, I think Roberts is the key element of continuity so credit to Giggs for keeping him on board. The Nations League games will be the first real test because they are meaningful games.
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Post by iot on Jun 4, 2018 13:07:07 GMT
I would give him a 7/10. There have been some things I've liked including developing the high press and giving opportunities to youngsters. Also like that he's made a couple of bold, left-field decisions like giving such an important role to declan john and the call up tomatthew smith. Finally, the other major positive is the commitment he's shown to get involved in the grassroots stuff.
On the other hand, I don't think he's been ambitious enough in trying to evolve our style of play. You can't find fault with sticking to the tried and trusted in china because of the lack of prep, however we didn't seem to play much differently against mexico. In the last two games it doesn't look like our attacking game has moved on much, although the major caveat of course is missing rambo and woodburn against uruguay, then missing bale and woodburn against mexico.
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Post by rushlegend on Jun 4, 2018 13:59:15 GMT
He has done so far what i though he would in terms of blooding youngsters, he gets that mentality from working with Sir Alex all them years at a club that is youth focused.
What? - apart from 92 when that class shone through - who are the other real deal youngsters to emerge after that? Smalling?
Fergie bought his titles like Guardiola has done for Man City and Mourinho at Chelsea!!
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Post by cymroircarn on Jun 4, 2018 14:26:59 GMT
He has done so far what i though he would in terms of blooding youngsters, he gets that mentality from working with Sir Alex all them years at a club that is youth focused. What? - apart from 92 when that class shone through - who are the other real deal youngsters to emerge after that? Smalling? Fergie bought his titles like Guardiola has done for Man City and Mourinho at Chelsea!! Didn’t United buy Smalling from Fulham? Darren Fletcher is the only other “recent” one I can think of who came through their system who became a regular (you could also argue Rashford I guess...)
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Jun 4, 2018 14:48:29 GMT
Post by rushlegend on Jun 4, 2018 14:48:29 GMT
Ie you are right cymroircarn - not many is there???
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jun 4, 2018 16:13:23 GMT
You are thinking too narrow, its not just who has come through into the United first team, its who has come through the youth setup and had successful careers elsewhere. The club has a mentality of developing youth players, whether they come through to first team, squad players or are sold - the club still develops them - hence the mentality Giggs has, is that he has picked up off the club.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jun 4, 2018 17:52:00 GMT
You are thinking too narrow, its not just who has come through into the United first team, its who has come through the youth setup and had successful careers elsewhere. The club has a mentality of developing youth players, whether they come through to first team, squad players or are sold - the club still develops them - hence the mentality Giggs has, is that he has picked up off the club. Some would argue that it is expected given the money, facilities & the fact they hoover up the top young players that they would make it elsewhere
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Post by manulike on Jun 4, 2018 22:39:46 GMT
You are thinking too narrow, its not just who has come through into the United first team, its who has come through the youth setup and had successful careers elsewhere. The club has a mentality of developing youth players, whether they come through to first team, squad players or are sold - the club still develops them - hence the mentality Giggs has, is that he has picked up off the club. We should be grateful for Robbie Savage and Tom Lawrence, I guess ;-)
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Post by cymroircarn on Jun 5, 2018 5:58:54 GMT
You are thinking too narrow, its not just who has come through into the United first team, its who has come through the youth setup and had successful careers elsewhere. The club has a mentality of developing youth players, whether they come through to first team, squad players or are sold - the club still develops them - hence the mentality Giggs has, is that he has picked up off the club. We should be grateful for Robbie Savage and Tom Lawrence, I guess ;-) Without forgetting Chester, Delaney and the “other” Simon Davies :-)
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jun 5, 2018 9:18:08 GMT
You are thinking too narrow, its not just who has come through into the United first team, its who has come through the youth setup and had successful careers elsewhere. The club has a mentality of developing youth players, whether they come through to first team, squad players or are sold - the club still develops them - hence the mentality Giggs has, is that he has picked up off the club. Some would argue that it is expected given the money, facilities & the fact they hoover up the top young players that they would make it elsewhere You are thinking of Arsenal, Chelsea & Man City. United and also Liverpool bring through mainly players from local area (extended albeit), hence a lot of Welsh players come through their youth set ups. And even if it is the case, then they still hoover up and develop players, so the club has a youth mentality and that is seen with how Giggs is giving players opportunities, and will continue to do so.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Jun 6, 2018 10:25:20 GMT
Reasonable start, W-1, D-1, L-1, probably benefitted from all games being away re: Dissent from annoyed fans following his appointment. Once competitive games come around then we'll see what happens. Lose a couple and we'll be posting as before, he won't get the same leeway as some would. Personally, I hope he's a success which will mean Wales are doing well. Doesn't mean I like him as a man/personality for all his previous shenanigans, I don't.
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Post by manulike on Jun 6, 2018 10:38:35 GMT
Thanks for the vid link ;-) Interesting. Ryan looked a little nervous and perhaps a little too calculative with his wording. Something that I would expect in the UK, with people out to trip him, but not really in LA. Maybe he was just tired after a long week of training, though.
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Jun 6, 2018 10:59:21 GMT
Post by CrackityJones on Jun 6, 2018 10:59:21 GMT
I was a lot more comfortable with his appointment after the China Cup and his public appearances have been commendable, however, the Mexico game has left me feeling a bit more concerned.
We were a mess for much of the game and should have lost by 3 or 4. Yeah I know there were a lot of youngsters blooded and we got a result but we lacked shape and purpose and our set pieces were an absolute shambles. It makes you wonder what they were working on for a week or so in what must have been our most expensive training session ever.
I'm still going to give him a chance, mainly because we need this to work, but the September double header is going to be very telling.
No pressure Ryan!
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Post by captainhaddock on Jun 6, 2018 12:09:30 GMT
I think people have missed the point, i havent renewed my membership and wont be going while hes manager, his football management skills have nothing to do with it, hes just a vile, arrogant horrible person who treated his family and country with contempt. Being in the same place as him and paying his inflated wages is not something i will be taking part in.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 12:42:04 GMT
I’m pleased. Only one goal conceded and Mexico was a credible draw. He’s matured.
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Post by saints19 on Jun 6, 2018 17:55:51 GMT
I was a lot more comfortable with his appointment after the China Cup and his public appearances have been commendable, however, the Mexico game has left me feeling a bit more concerned. We were a mess for much of the game and should have lost by 3 or 4. Yeah I know there were a lot of youngsters blooded and we got a result but we lacked shape and purpose and our set pieces were an absolute shambles. It makes you wonder what they were working on for a week or so in what must have been our most expensive training session ever. I'm still going to give him a chance, mainly because we need this to work, but the September double header is going to be very telling. No pressure Ryan! A mess might be a bit of a stretch. Mexico should have won, but they only had one clear chance that I can recall, when their player half-rounded Hennessey but fired straight at his legs. You do also have to remember we had two very young CBs on. I'm sure the absence of Williams would unsettle any defensive shape. Agreed real tests are to come though. If the NL goes badly, I would consider supporting a new manager after that potentially. This is a great chance to qualify for consecutive Euros and if, after all the competitive NL games are played, we don't look like doing that, we should consider changing things. I don't personally think Giggs was the right choice but want to see him succeed now. However, he shouldn't be given forever like Coleman was. If he is, we'll waste 1, possibly 2 campaigns and we will fail to make the most of Bale/Ramsey's peak years.
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Post by marsvolta on Jun 6, 2018 22:34:02 GMT
I was a lot more comfortable with his appointment after the China Cup and his public appearances have been commendable, however, the Mexico game has left me feeling a bit more concerned. We were a mess for much of the game and should have lost by 3 or 4. Yeah I know there were a lot of youngsters blooded and we got a result but we lacked shape and purpose and our set pieces were an absolute shambles. It makes you wonder what they were working on for a week or so in what must have been our most expensive training session ever. I'm still going to give him a chance, mainly because we need this to work, but the September double header is going to be very telling. No pressure Ryan! A mess might be a bit of a stretch. Mexico should have won, but they only had one clear chance that I can recall, when their player half-rounded Hennessey but fired straight at his legs. You do also have to remember we had two very young CBs on. I'm sure the absence of Williams would unsettle any defensive shape. Agreed real tests are to come though. If the NL goes badly, I would consider supporting a new manager after that potentially. This is a great chance to qualify for consecutive Euros and if, after all the competitive NL games are played, we don't look like doing that, we should consider changing things. I don't personally think Giggs was the right choice but want to see him succeed now. However, he shouldn't be given forever like Coleman was. If he is, we'll waste 1, possibly 2 campaigns and we will fail to make the most of Bale/Ramsey's peak years. I’m confused where you say Coleman was given too much time. Are you saying that after the flop of the World Cup 2014 campaign we shouldn’t have given him Euro 2016?
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jun 7, 2018 20:31:01 GMT
A mess might be a bit of a stretch. Mexico should have won, but they only had one clear chance that I can recall, when their player half-rounded Hennessey but fired straight at his legs. You do also have to remember we had two very young CBs on. I'm sure the absence of Williams would unsettle any defensive shape. Agreed real tests are to come though. If the NL goes badly, I would consider supporting a new manager after that potentially. This is a great chance to qualify for consecutive Euros and if, after all the competitive NL games are played, we don't look like doing that, we should consider changing things. I don't personally think Giggs was the right choice but want to see him succeed now. However, he shouldn't be given forever like Coleman was. If he is, we'll waste 1, possibly 2 campaigns and we will fail to make the most of Bale/Ramsey's peak years. I’m confused where you say Coleman was given too much time. Are you saying that after the flop of the World Cup 2014 campaign we shouldn’t have given him Euro 2016? He was lucky to still have his job after Andorra away... but no one can deny he made big turn around in Wales campaign ... let's not knock Colman now after he took Wales further than any manager
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 21:15:59 GMT
Cookie struck me as being very pre-occupied towards the end of his tenure. Draws v Georgia and Serbia at home should’ve been wins. The rest may have written itself. Six years or so is a long time in any manager job too. Sunderland was a ludicrous move. He’s now unemployed. Where will he end up? Who knows!
Did I want Giggs? No. Am I behind him? Yes. He’s already beginning to win me over. He was an exceptional player. One of the very best. What better job to prove himself in than Wales. One goal conceded in three games so far. He’s also giving youth a chance.
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Post by saints19 on Jun 7, 2018 23:09:10 GMT
A mess might be a bit of a stretch. Mexico should have won, but they only had one clear chance that I can recall, when their player half-rounded Hennessey but fired straight at his legs. You do also have to remember we had two very young CBs on. I'm sure the absence of Williams would unsettle any defensive shape. Agreed real tests are to come though. If the NL goes badly, I would consider supporting a new manager after that potentially. This is a great chance to qualify for consecutive Euros and if, after all the competitive NL games are played, we don't look like doing that, we should consider changing things. I don't personally think Giggs was the right choice but want to see him succeed now. However, he shouldn't be given forever like Coleman was. If he is, we'll waste 1, possibly 2 campaigns and we will fail to make the most of Bale/Ramsey's peak years. I’m confused where you say Coleman was given too much time. Are you saying that after the flop of the World Cup 2014 campaign we shouldn’t have given him Euro 2016? I'm saying that it might be wrong to give Giggs time on the assumption that it'll turn out like Coleman, when it could just as easily be two wasted campaigns.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 6:35:34 GMT
Who would you have appointed?
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Post by pendragon on Jun 9, 2018 0:01:07 GMT
I thought that his premier game as Wales manager was a great result for him. I do agree that there seemed to less structure and strategy in the Uruguay and Mexico games but I still feel it's early days. In all fairness, we were far from having a full-strength squad in the last game and the approach seemed more experimental than anything else. However, although there is still a lot to work on, I'll continue to give him the benefit of the doubt. A few notable differences I've observed that marks Giggs out from Coleman to me, is his more experimental and free-flowing, attacking-based approach and he seems more keen to give youth a chance which will be essential in the next few years moving forward.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Jun 9, 2018 10:32:38 GMT
Who would you have appointed? Mr Arthur Picton
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Post by fiveattheback on Jun 9, 2018 14:56:48 GMT
Who would you have appointed? Mr Arthur Picton Siawns am gem?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 16:57:12 GMT
Still awaiting an answer...
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