Giggs

[Tim P]

May 17, 2012 8:44:08 GMT @baresi said:

May 16, 2012 22:32:59 GMT Tim P said:

Which seasons were you referring to when you said Ferguson built 4 championship winning sides around him? Honestly want to know.

I am not going to write a dissertation on every utd season in the EPL.

trendy, giggs was the difference between Utd being perennial losers, in the Liverpool shadow and finally eclipsing them. When he first broke through he was so good (remember, the new George Best) that the ceiling at Utd was suddenly raised to new possibilities.

He was hugely influential in the first Utd title in 25 years in 1993/94, and has been so in every winning season since (in different ways).

Why do you think every time he mentions taking a role with Wales Ferguson dismisses it even now? His influence at Utd has been central to their dominance.

Okay, so Ferguson has never built a side around him then.

Being influential isn't the same as being considered special enough to have a team built around you. Giggs has never been in this category.

[Deleted]

May 17, 2012 9:40:53 GMT Tim P said:

May 17, 2012 8:44:08 GMT @baresi said:

I am not going to write a dissertation on every utd season in the EPL.

trendy, giggs was the difference between Utd being perennial losers, in the Liverpool shadow and finally eclipsing them. When he first broke through he was so good (remember, the new George Best) that the ceiling at Utd was suddenly raised to new possibilities.

He was hugely influential in the first Utd title in 25 years in 1993/94, and has been so in every winning season since (in different ways).

Why do you think every time he mentions taking a role with Wales Ferguson dismisses it even now? His influence at Utd has been central to their dominance.

Okay, so Ferguson has never built a side around him then.

Being influential isn't the same as being considered special enough to have a team built around you. Giggs has never been in this category.

Ok Fair point. But two can play at that game. Name me your 20 players you think should have been ahead of Giggs over 20 years of the Premier League.

[Tim P]

I'll name twenty players that have at some point played in the epl that I believe to be better, more influential, players than Giggs:

Shearer, C Ronaldo, T Henry, Rooney, Berkamp, Drogba, Cantona, Schmichael, Cech, Tevez, Aguero, Roy Keane, Torres, T Adams, N Vidic, D Beckham, Terry, Lampard, Kompany, Ali Dia.

I think that all of these players have/had a greater impact on games / their teams winning trophies than Giggs ever hasd/has/will.

When I lived in Manchester, and spoke with Mancunians who had been going to games for 20+ years, the consensus was always that Giggs was a player who occasionally could do something incredible (up to about ten years ago) but whose main strength was that he was a great squad man who knew his place.

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May 17, 2012 10:58:53 GMT Tim P said:

I'll name twenty players that have at some point played in the epl that I believe to be better, more influential, players than Giggs:

Shearer, C Ronaldo, T Henry, Rooney, Berkamp, Drogba, Cantona, Schmichael, Cech, Tevez, Aguero, Roy Keane, Torres, T Adams, N Vidic, D Beckham, Terry, Lampard, Kompany, Ali Dia.

I think that all of these players have/had a greater impact on games / their teams winning trophies than Giggs ever hasd/has/will.

When I lived in Manchester, and spoke with Mancunians who had been going to games for 20+ years, the consensus was always that Giggs was a player who occasionally could do something incredible (up to about ten years ago) but whose main strength was that he was a great squad man who knew his place.

Trendy, I think we should hand this over to the others for a more balanced view.

I lived in Manchester for a few years and went to OT on various occasions in the early to mid 1990s and know many Utd fans today and not one of them would agree with you.

[Tim P]

Ha, we'll just have to agree to disagree then!

[njdragon]

'Giggs was present to accept his honour - which saw him beat off competition from the likes of Thierry Henry, Paul Scholes and Dennis Bergkamp to clinch the vote from a panel of experts'

Obv trendy you weren't included on that panel

[llannerch]

May 17, 2012 10:58:53 GMT Tim P said:

I'll name twenty players that have at some point played in the epl that I believe to be better, more influential, players than Giggs:

Shearer, C Ronaldo, T Henry, Rooney, Berkamp, Drogba, Cantona, Schmichael, Cech, Tevez, Aguero, Roy Keane, Torres, T Adams, N Vidic, D Beckham, Terry, Lampard, Kompany, Ali Dia.

I'm not sure you've robustly defined the criteria for the list. Influential? Zola, Gullit and Vialli were among that first wave of top, top-class Europeans that reimagined the game in the British Isles. Without them there wouldn't have been many on your list to follow them. Aguero and Kopmpany have had fine seasons and are very good players but what have they influenced? They've had impact but not legacy. Don't agree with Torres being there either

I wouldn't argue with many on your list though

[idiot]

a lot of united fans i know would go with trendy,he was capable of amazing things but often had poor delivery,went missing during matches etc etc

i tend to agree,especially the younger,playing on the wing giggs,these days he's in and out and his form is made to look better than it is by the media

[hookd]

www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9621362/Manchester-United-great-Ryan-Giggs-says-managing-will-be-the-next-best-thing-when-he-hangs-up-his-boots.html

He looked out of the window, recalling Gareth Bale’s display for Spurs recently. “Gareth’s a talent, at the top of his game. He can do anything. He’s a very difficult player to pin down because of his power and strength.

"The other night, I saw a couple of the Croatia lads trying to take him out but because of his power and pace they couldn’t get near him. It’s great for Wales. But when you play against Spurs, it’s always difficult to play against him which we’ve seen her

[abwales]

I'd take him over another campaign with Coleman every day of the week.

[welshiron]

Anyone but Giggs for me, the man has shown utter contempt for his country over the years and would be using us to get a big job in the future

No reason at all to believe he would do a better job than Coleman.

[Deleted]

"What Wales need is more experience in the team".

Fuck off rat, I'd rather have Dutch Ray in charge.

[Deleted]

Oct 20, 2012 17:18:32 GMT @storm said:

"What Wales need is more experience in the team".

Fuck off rat, I'd rather have Dutch Ray in charge.

Hey Storm, we might have Giggs as the figurehead and Ray calling the shots !!!!!!!!!! ;D

[Deleted]

Oct 20, 2012 18:22:53 GMT @baresi said:

Oct 20, 2012 17:18:32 GMT @storm said:

"What Wales need is more experience in the team".

Fuck off rat, I'd rather have Dutch Ray in charge.

Hey Storm, we might have Giggs as the figurehead and Ray calling the shots !!!!!!!!!! ;D

Dear. God. Now the idea of Giggs has been put in my head I'm warming to Ray immensely! ;D

Ray is a twat, but hes not that much of a twat. I wouldn't be amused about his appointment but I would still hope that we won, Giggs however I would severely find it hard to support as his appointment would be for all the wrong reasons and for him personally would be a foothold into management (I suspect the same of Ray as well to be honest). Given how Giggs has treated us in the past I would actually want him to fail and ruin his reputation outside of us few who follow Wales regularly and have seen how he mucked us about as a player over the years, both whilst a Wales player and in retirement.

I wonder if Coleman is basically caretaker manager til the end of this season when Ford will go all out to get Giggs?

[stu]

In this case I hope that when Utd are playing Chelsea that the ground opens up and swallows both teams whole. Surely that is a win-win scenario?

[idiot]

i hope hes never given the job,he mucked us about as a player and has hid behind ferguson when the faw approached him twice (didnt they??) about taking on a role with us

its inevitable that he will one day get the job but id prefer it if a man who has shown us such little regard for us in the past and a man with such low morals never got the job

[leuven1366]

Traitor Giggs can fook off!

[marsvolta]

Anyone but Giggs.
i always tried to back him and support him, quite often had to apologise for him. but when he played for team gb when he doesnt play for Wales anymore i was finished with him.

[raptor]

Giggs has pinned his true colours to the mast and they're red. The red of Man Utd.

[Deleted]

Good to see that that louse can't pull the wool over the eyes of the true Welsh football fans.

[saints19]

Giggs, fuck off and enjoy your knighthood, hero worship at Man Utd etc. Just don't try to pretend you give a stuff about Wales. When it came to the crunch you always picked your club, now live with your decisions andstay the hell away from our national team.

[biwmares]

Don't think Zaha's t-shirt will go down to well with Ryan Giggs ?

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2268078/Wilfried-Zaha-signs-Manchester-United.html

Its Imogen Thomas

[squatter1]

If I was a bookie, I would stop taking bets on Giggs becoming next Wales manager whenever Coleman leaves...

[Deleted]

I reckon he would rather be a cleaner at Old Trafford than manage Wales if he had the choice.

[treharne]

If Giggs was Welsh manager, Who would be manager when Wales have friendlies ?

[Deleted]

Jul 5, 2013 6:46:46 GMT treharne said:

If Giggs was Welsh manager, Who would be manager when Wales have friendlies ?

Haha Lol


Also fully agree with Baresi

[flynnfan]

www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2013/jul/04/ryan-giggs-manchester-united-coach

[treharne]

Bobby Charlton, Nobby Stiles .....were crap managers. 

[Deleted]

I hope we treat him with the same contempt he gave to us. Sadly I bet Ford is already on his way to Manchester to seal a gentleman's agreement that will see Giggs take over from the start of 2014/15...

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23729913

[abwales]

As much as I hate to say it...

I think him being manager would be good for us.