Giggs

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David Moyes is now manager of Manchester United and is going to be their manager for a very long time, except for United I can't see Giggs wanting to manage any other team? maybe I'm wrong and he'd happily take over at any Premier League club, Cardiff maybe.

I don't want Ryan Giggs to be our manager, not at all. I hope Chris Coleman stays on for the Euro 2016 campaign, not sure who should eventually replace Cookie...

Carl Fletcher? Kenny Jackett? Brain Flynn? - Don't think any of these will be our next manager though!!

[toshfan]

Aug 16, 2013 23:32:16 GMT @cadnollanboidy said:

David Moyes is now manager of Manchester United and is going to be their manager for a very long time, except for United I can't see Giggs wanting to manage any other team? maybe I'm wrong and he'd happily take over at any Premier League club, Cardiff maybe.

I don't want Ryan Giggs to be our manager, not at all. I hope Chris Coleman stays on for the Euro 2016 campaign, not sure who should eventually replace Cookie...

Carl Fletcher? Kenny Jackett? Brain Flynn? - Don't think any of these will be our next manager though!!

Like you, I back Coleman. But when he leaves in the future and there is a need for a new guy the FAW must show the same strong leadership as it showed when it backed John Toshack and insist on:

1) u21 football must be a very high priority - we are not going back to the pre-Toshack years;
2) Must believe in possession football.

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Dont want that sh*thouse anywhere near the wales job,when wales needed him he was no where to be seen!he'd only use wales to get a prem job!

[squatter1]

Wouldn't be surprised to see him join Cookie's backroom staff at the end of the season.

He will almost certainly manage Wales one day. All the FAW will be able to think of is the increased profile.

[njdragon]

too right, they are a business at the end of the day. If Giggs can bring back the crowds that's got to be good for welsh football (extra man and all that) Can't be good for us playing at empty stadiums. We need to play every hand possible to ever have a chance at qualification. The manager and back room staff in international football is especially important. We can't buy and sell players but we can a manager. Hopefully Giggs would have the sense to bring in an experienced assistant too. I have no problem with coleman but i think his choice of back room staff is pathetic and lacks ambition.

2 questions:

A) would you take Giggs as manager if it meant qualification?
B) Do you think Coleman, and his back room staff are the best we can get or deserve?

YES OR NO?

[flynnfan]

He will almost certainly manage Wales one day. All the FAW will be able to think of is the increased profile.
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This. Although I'd much rather Bellamy.

[abwales]

Aug 17, 2013 9:33:10 GMT njdragon said:

A) would you take Giggs as manager if it meant qualification?
B) Do you think Coleman, and his back room staff are the best we can get or deserve?

YES OR NO?

A) yes. Anyone who says no is not a fan of Wales.
B) no.

[llannerch]

Aug 17, 2013 8:41:42 GMT squatter1 said:

Wouldn't be surprised to see him join Cookie's backroom staff at the end of the season.

I would be. He'll only be involved with Wales as the number one.

[flynnfan]

Aug 17, 2013 11:32:23 GMT llannerch said:

Aug 17, 2013 8:41:42 GMT squatter1 said:

Wouldn't be surprised to see him join Cookie's backroom staff at the end of the season.

I would be. He'll only be involved with Wales as the number one.

This.

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Aug 17, 2013 11:11:37 GMT abwales said:

Aug 17, 2013 9:33:10 GMT njdragon said:

A) would you take Giggs as manager if it meant qualification?
B) Do you think Coleman, and his back room staff are the best we can get or deserve?

YES OR NO?

A) yes. Anyone who says no is not a fan of Wales.
B) no.

Agreed

[marsvolta]

Aug 17, 2013 9:33:10 GMT njdragon said:

too right, they are a business at the end of the day. If Giggs can bring back the crowds that's got to be good for welsh football (extra man and all that) Can't be good for us playing at empty stadiums. We need to play every hand possible to ever have a chance at qualification. The manager and back room staff in international football is especially important. We can't buy and sell players but we can a manager. Hopefully Giggs would have the sense to bring in an experienced assistant too. I have no problem with coleman but i think his choice of back room staff is pathetic and lacks ambition.

2 questions:

A) would you take Giggs as manager if it meant qualification?
B) Do you think Coleman, and his back room staff are the best we can get or deserve?

YES OR NO?

question A is a strange one as obviously we would take him if it guaranteed promotion (I would take anyone as manager if he came with a guaranteed qualification).

The question is, do we think he is the best chance we have of qualification? My answer to that is NO.

P.S This thread is about 12 quotes in and no one has done the 'Who is going to manage us in the friendlies?' joke, haha.

[marsvolta]

As for whether I think Coleman and staff are the best we can get, what are the alternatives? If someone can post some possibilities(realistic please,Mourinho and Wenger are taken),I'll let you know if i'd rather them than Coleman.

(the last time we did this, the best alternatives to Speed were Laurie Sanchez and Brian Flynn)

[Deleted]

Aug 17, 2013 19:54:40 GMT marsvolta said:

As for whether I think Coleman and staff are the best we can get, what are the alternatives? If someone can post some possibilities(realistic please,Mourinho and Wenger are taken),I'll let you know if i'd rather them than Coleman.

(the last time we did this, the best alternatives to Speed were Laurie Sanchez and Brian Flynn)

Exactly. Coleman better than Dean Saunders for me, he's doing a good job, give him time.

[saints19]

On what do you base your assertion that Coleman is doing well? Most of our wins under him can be attributed to Bale, when we don't have Bale we are poorly organised and even when we do have him we play suicidally silly passing football at the back.

To be sure, it could be worse and fair play the players are turning up for him (mostly). But I think we can do better than him. I really think we should go foreign next time. When Speed got the job I thought we should have gone for Lagerback who now has Iceland(!) in the top 3 of their group. The fact is Coleman isn't an experienced manager. Someone like Trappatoni who admittedly is on big money is the kind of manager you need for international football - experienced and tactically astute. Then you look around Europe and see Switzerland under Hitzfeld who apparently is not on such huge wages beating Spain and regularly qualifying for tournaments with players comparable (at least in terms of the clubs they play for) to ours.

[saints19]

Aug 17, 2013 18:48:00 GMT CymruFach said:

Aug 17, 2013 11:11:37 GMT abwales said:

A) yes. Anyone who says no is not a fan of Wales.
B) no.

Agreed

Asking 'would you take Giggs as manager if it meant qualification?' is dumb. I'd take a tea bag as manager if it got us to the World Cup, however this is silly as a tea bag, being an inanimate object, lacks the leadership skills necessary to manage an international football team.

The real question should be 'would Giggs qet us qualification?' in which case I'd suggest he'd be no more likely than Coleman to achieve that, if that. Possibly less likely. Though admittedly I have no idea how Giggs would fare in management, I'm mostly basing this off the fact that he seems generally uninspiring in interviews and so forth (he also does not obviously radiate tactical knowledge).

[saints19]

Just realised marsvolta said basically the same thing as me a few posts back. Oh well, my post is still worthwhile because of the tea bag analogy, haha.

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It does seem the FAW missed a trick with Lagerback. What was it that we heard on the grapevine? He just talked about himself during the interview? And to think they followed this up by opting for a guy with no international pedigree and compounding it by paying compo when who was going to get the sack anyway in a few weeks. In fairness it was a gamble that almost paid off, however you really have to ask why they overlooked someone with so much quality experience in the first place. I suspect the truth of it is that all the fairweather fans would not have heard of Lagerback so shirt sales would not have been as high as when hiring a legend like Speed. Never mind actually qualifying for a change, generating revenue comes above all else for those muppets.

[luke]

I wouldn't choose to hire Giggs in the forseeable future. But if he was appointed anyway, I would back him 100%. Despite criticising his failure to play that often, he's still one of ours and is a former Welsh international. I think it could have a good effect nationally. I'd be open minded if it was an option in the future.

[abwales]

Giggs would give us a better chance of qualifying. It would boost Welsh football massively.

[Deleted]

I'd like to know exactly why Giggs is likely to do well as the Wales manager??

It's clear that our game on the pitch is improving and it's a slow improvement but you can't look at the short-term side of things especially with International football.

In my opinion Coleman IS good tactically, for example we had a couple of players missing for the Belgium game including Joe Allen who had to pull out a couple of hours before the game, Coleman set the team up with Williams playing as a holding midfielder and the game seemed to go well up until James Collins got a red card.

Let's forget about Serbia haha.

Good performance against Austria, got the win against a solid team.

Against Scotland away Bale goes off half time, Jonny Williams comes on but also Andy King was an important substitute!

Unlucky not to at least get a draw game against Croatia (with players missing here as well, plus an unfit Bale)

Played some nice football against Ireland, a solid team who are very well organised and have a superb away record. Maybe a shade lucky to get a draw game in the end but still again missing Bale, Ramsey, Collins (yes I'd take Collins over Ricketts at CB)

For me, we are improving under Cookie and most importantly many of the players have publicly stated that they want Chris Coleman to stay, Ashley Williams said it would be stupid to get rid of him and I agree!!

Let's give Chris Coleman a PROPER chance, we're not going to be world beaters over night

[Baxter Cymru]

Aug 18, 2013 15:09:23 GMT @cadnollanboidy said:

I'd like to know exactly why Giggs is likely to do well as the Wales manager??

It's clear that our game on the pitch is improving and it's a slow improvement but you can't look at the short-term side of things especially with International football.

In my opinion Coleman IS good tactically, for example we had a couple of players missing for the Belgium game including Joe Allen who had to pull out a couple of hours before the game, Coleman set the team up with Williams playing as a holding midfielder and the game seemed to go well up until James Collins got a red card.

Let's forget about Serbia haha.

Good performance against Austria, got the win against a solid team.

Against Scotland away Bale goes off half time, Jonny Williams comes on but also Andy King was an important substitute!

Unlucky not to at least get a draw game against Croatia (with players missing here as well, plus an unfit Bale)

Played some nice football against Ireland, a solid team who are very well organised and have a superb away record. Maybe a shade lucky to get a draw game in the end but still again missing Bale, Ramsey, Collins (yes I'd take Collins over Ricketts at CB)

For me, we are improving under Cookie and most importantly many of the players have publicly stated that they want Chris Coleman to stay, Ashley Williams said it would be stupid to get rid of him and I agree!!

Let's give Chris Coleman a PROPER chance, we're not going to be world beaters over night

Spot on as per usual mate!!

[saints19]

Fair point about the Scotland away decisions. But, all in all, that could have been a fluke. Certainly I don't think we're normally difficult to beat under Coleman. The key difference between ourselves and Ireland was how defensively organised they were. When they lost the ball it took them only a few seconds to assemble into a defensive formation and get 10 men behind the ball, but they were also able to to tunr that into counterattack very quickly. That's what I'd like to see from Coleman; the pretty stuff is great to watch and works well against weaker opponents, but against opponents of the same level we need to be a little more streetwise. Like Croatia home where frankly we rode our luck in the first half. Compare that with the Bosnia game and the Serbia game where we were punished for it. Probably the Austria game was our best performance under Coleman in this respect, although again when Bale came off we looked nervous and unsure of ourselves.

I also think Coleman has been given a proper chance. He's set to get the whole campaign which I'd agree with completely. Every manager we hire should get a whole campaign to show what they can do, barring absolutely calamitous results. But, ultimately, after a full campaign, if the results have been poor, you need to consider replacements.

[Baxter Cymru]

The start of the campaign however was overshadowed by the tragedy of losing Speed it would of knocked the team out of thier stride, it looked like it took them such a long time to get back on track and understandably so, in my opinion he will sign a new deal for the next campaign and then he really should be judged from there on in...no excuses!!

[flynnfan]

Aug 17, 2013 9:33:10 GMT njdragon said:

too right, they are a business at the end of the day. If Giggs can bring back the crowds that's got to be good for welsh football (extra man and all that) Can't be good for us playing at empty stadiums. We need to play every hand possible to ever have a chance at qualification. The manager and back room staff in international football is especially important. We can't buy and sell players but we can a manager. Hopefully Giggs would have the sense to bring in an experienced assistant too. I have no problem with coleman but i think his choice of back room staff is pathetic and lacks ambition.

2 questions:

A) would you take Giggs as manager if it meant qualification?
B) Do you think Coleman, and his back room staff are the best we can get or deserve?

YES OR NO?

If it meant qualification I'd take Rose West as our manager. Assisted by Ryan Shawcross.

[Deleted]

Aug 18, 2013 3:04:28 GMT @storm said:

It does seem the FAW missed a trick with Lagerback. What was it that we heard on the grapevine? He just talked about himself during the interview? And to think they followed this up by opting for a guy with no international pedigree and compounding it by paying compo when who was going to get the sack anyway in a few weeks. In fairness it was a gamble that almost paid off, however you really have to ask why they overlooked someone with so much quality experience in the first place. I suspect the truth of it is that all the fairweather fans would not have heard of Lagerback so shirt sales would not have been as high as when hiring a legend like Speed. Never mind actually qualifying for a change, generating revenue comes above all else for those muppets.

Agreed.

[Deleted]

I don't dislike Coleman. I think he has spoken very well and obviously inherited a situation no one wanted.

My initial worry was that he is not tactically astute enough and does not have a CV or personality that can inspire us to qualification, and the better quality squad he inherited (compared to his predecessors)and the professionalism of the younger emerging players would mean that this combination would result in us achieving mediocre results and the retention of Coleman over a 4-6 year time frame - years in which once in a generation players like Bale & Ramsey would be at their peak and possibly 'frittered away'.

Coleman should certainly be given the remaining games in this campaign to prove himself but he will need a finish like Speed had to get another campaign to my mind.

Giggs is not 'inspiring' in terms of personality but in terms of maybe the final piece in the jigsaw he certainly inspires in terms of success and achievement. All the players would look up to him. He could also bring in alongside him some considerable expertise to help him. He would be unlikely to have any interest in the youth set up though so Flynn should be recalled in this scenario. Giggs would undoubtedbly 'do a Hughes'.

I agree with FF though - Bellamy (& RV) would still be my choice although I can't see that happening.

[toshfan]

I appreciate the considered nature of your post, baresi, but:

"My initial worry was that he is not tactically astute enough"

He was on the money against Scotland at Hampden.

"does not have a CV or personality that can inspire us to qualification"

He has lots of experience in this country and elsewhere. He is also rated by Toshack and there is no higher endorsement than that in Welsh Football.

Personality is not an issue. He has a similar sense of ethics as Toshack but probably more in tune with the modern footballer.

"Giggs would undoubtedbly 'do a Hughes'."

If you are right, case closed. We cannot go back. Ever!

[rushlegend]

Having Giggs as manager could even tempt Bellamy to stay for another campaign

I'm in the middle with this to be honest, there are pluses and minuses with him being in charge, i'm sure he would defo get the respect from the players no doubt about that even though he himself didn't commit as well as everyone here says as a player for Wales.

[llannerch]

Aug 18, 2013 19:22:00 GMT flynnfan said:

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If it meant qualification I'd take Rose West as our manager. Assisted by Ryan Shawcross.

She's had plenty of practice with patios so would presumably be great at laying the foundations.....

[Deleted]

Aug 19, 2013 17:19:59 GMT toshfan said:

I appreciate the considered nature of your post, baresi, but:

"My initial worry was that he is not tactically astute enough"

He was on the money against Scotland at Hampden.

"does not have a CV or personality that can inspire us to qualification"

He has lots of experience in this country and elsewhere. He is also rated by Toshack and there is no higher endorsement than that in Welsh Football.

Personality is not an issue. He has a similar sense of ethics as Toshack but probably more in tune with the modern footballer.

"Giggs would undoubtedbly 'do a Hughes'."

If you are right, case closed. We cannot go back. Ever!

Was he on the money in Serbia?
Why have we got no chance of qualifying with 4 games to go?
When you say 'he has a similar sense of ethics as Toshack' what exactly do you mean?
I agree that he is probably more in tune with the modern footballer - he crashed his sports car whilst driving way too fast and has left his wife and 4 children for a sky sports presenter - mind you, he is nowhere near Giggsy's lead here !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Personality and gravitas is most certainly an issue.

We need the crowds and interest re-kindled. I am sure that in front of a large passionate crowd at home to Croatia we would have hung on for at least a draw- and possibly the win.

I heard on the radio this morning, Jonathan Ford saying he was in discussions with Coleman over a new contract and these were progressing well but that we also have important qualifiers approaching. Read into that what you will.