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Giggs
Dec 11, 2018 9:14:47 GMT
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Post by cadno on Dec 11, 2018 9:14:47 GMT
What on earth have I just read? Some horrendous overreaction to my very valid post. Let me put some context in here. I'm 38 years old. I first watched my home nation in a major tournament in 2016. It was just a few years before that when I knew a Welsh club in the Premier League. Throughout life it's been disappointment after disappointment with the team. If you lot don't know being modest, humble, self-deprecating and understatement of intelligence then do you know many Welsh people? We are a tiny nation. The smallest to ever make the Semi Finals like that. People often haven't heard of Wales. I had to get Maps out on my phone twice in Berlin to show locals where Wales was. Passport control at Stockholm was all "The Gareth Bale team?" This ridiculous sense of self-entitlement on the back of ONE success is a bit of a shock. The Euro success was surreal. I had hoped for one win in the group itself. We had a mediocre campaign for 2018 and lost twice in the Nations League. Then there's Albania away... Talk of "qualify or bust" for Giggs targets is excessive. Be realistic. Without any subsequent success, Euro 2016 was a freak event. Not a freak event after all the preparation that went into it, and we were a good team, much better than a lot of people seem to think IMO. Looking forward to the qualifiers next year, it's a huge opportunity for us to qualify again.
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Post by superunknown on Dec 11, 2018 10:05:06 GMT
I completely disagree with you. Random, daft and surreal all lean towards description of something unexpected and outside of the ordinary. They're not usual experiences. It'd be like Wigan Athletic expecting success each season after one FA Cup win in recent history. They only beat Man City because they were in absolute disarray off the field and Mancini was dismissed days later. My earliest football memory was Wimbledon beating Liverpool in the final of the same competition. Now look at them. Let's face facts here. Giggs was an unpopular choice from a significant number of our fans. He's been set unrealistic targets from them and they'll be calling for his departure if they're not achieved. I've seen it before at club level. We need to make a good show of ourselves in the 2018 qualifiers. Croatia and Slovakia are good sides. Semi finals maybe but you're so far off the mark with the random comment. We deserved to qualify and we deserved to get to the semis, there was no randomness involved, nothing flukey about the way we played in that tournament and that's exactly how we can play with the players we have. Your second paragraph is a false equivalency. Wigan beating City in a one off game where, as you said they were in a mess is not at all the same as us coming second in our qualifying group after some very good results, and then beating Slovakia, Russia, Northern Ireland and Belgium again. Coming close to drawing with England too. It's not expecting success after one good tournament it's expecting success after showing what can be done with our squad of players and that expectation, whether you agree with it or not is qualification to major tournaments. We're not 'little old Wales' we're a major footballing nation to be feared and that's how we should see ourselves. I can assure there's nothing unrealistic about expecting qualification for this tournament. Slovakia are no mugs agreed but we should really be looking at qualifying and even if we don't get second we'll likely get a play off spot. If Giggs can't get a team with Bale, Ramsey, Allen, Davies, Wilson, Ampadu and Brooks to qualify then he's simply not the man for the job.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 10:05:39 GMT
All forums are full of bickering weirdos aren't they,ah humans,gotta luv em.
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Giggs
Dec 11, 2018 10:09:25 GMT
Post by superunknown on Dec 11, 2018 10:09:25 GMT
All forums are full of bickering weirdos aren't they,ah humans,gotta luv em. If you think this one's bad you should see the Wrexham one.
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Giggs
Dec 11, 2018 10:19:59 GMT
Post by CrackityJones on Dec 11, 2018 10:19:59 GMT
All forums are full of bickering weirdos aren't they,ah humans,gotta luv em. If you think this one's bad you should see the Wrexham one. Do any of them 'implore the owner' to deal with someone they get frustrated with?
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Dec 12, 2018 8:45:34 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 8:45:34 GMT
Astonished a moderator is posting like this and, lo and behold, getting away with it too. If anything, I've really got to this rose-tinted nationalist with legitimate criticism of decades of Welsh failure. We should have been able to build successful teams with what we had. We didn't. I implore the owner(s) of this site to deal with him. Getting away with what exactly?
Care to explain the comment in bold?
1.) Rose tinted meaning you're excessively optimistic about Wales as a footballing nation. 2.) Nationalist in using a Welsh phrase many of us don't understand. I had to DM a mate from North Wales on Twitter to check what it meant. I'm from Pembrokeshire. We spoke English. I'm staggered they've allowed such an arrogant bully to moderate on here.
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Giggs
Dec 12, 2018 8:50:03 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 8:50:03 GMT
I completely disagree with you. Random, daft and surreal all lean towards description of something unexpected and outside of the ordinary. They're not usual experiences. It'd be like Wigan Athletic expecting success each season after one FA Cup win in recent history. They only beat Man City because they were in absolute disarray off the field and Mancini was dismissed days later. My earliest football memory was Wimbledon beating Liverpool in the final of the same competition. Now look at them. Let's face facts here. Giggs was an unpopular choice from a significant number of our fans. He's been set unrealistic targets from them and they'll be calling for his departure if they're not achieved. I've seen it before at club level. We need to make a good show of ourselves in the 2018 qualifiers. Croatia and Slovakia are good sides. Semi finals maybe but you're so far off the mark with the random comment. We deserved to qualify and we deserved to get to the semis, there was no randomness involved, nothing flukey about the way we played in that tournament and that's exactly how we can play with the players we have. Your second paragraph is a false equivalency. Wigan beating City in a one off game where, as you said they were in a mess is not at all the same as us coming second in our qualifying group after some very good results, and then beating Slovakia, Russia, Northern Ireland and Belgium again. Coming close to drawing with England too. It's not expecting success after one good tournament it's expecting success after showing what can be done with our squad of players and that expectation, whether you agree with it or not is qualification to major tournaments. We're not 'little old Wales' we're a major footballing nation to be feared and that's how we should see ourselves. I can assure there's nothing unrealistic about expecting qualification for this tournament. Slovakia are no mugs agreed but we should really be looking at qualifying and even if we don't get second we'll likely get a play off spot. If Giggs can't get a team with Bale, Ramsey, Allen, Davies, Wilson, Ampadu and Brooks to qualify then he's simply not the man for the job. Yet two sets of competitive matches since and we've failed in both. i.e. World Cup Qualifiers and the Nations League. "A major footballing nation" - How do you reach that conclusion? Eggby internationals get the bigger crowds and our team still includes numerous players not good enough to play for England. All these diatribes are of fans refusing to get behind Giggs. Did I want him? No. Will I back him? Yes.
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Post by welshiron on Dec 12, 2018 8:57:37 GMT
I wish we had more loyal fans like peoffrey who back the team no matter What.
Not like fans who start watching in their mid thirties who go on a few away trips and think their a super fan and to good a fan for home games.
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Giggs
Dec 12, 2018 9:23:58 GMT
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Post by cantonwelsh79 on Dec 12, 2018 9:23:58 GMT
I wish we had more loyal fans like peoffrey who back the team no matter What. Not like fans who start watching in their mid thirties who go on a few away trips and think their a super fan and to good a fan for home games. You're a very naughty boy!!
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Giggs
Dec 12, 2018 9:24:07 GMT
Post by CrackityJones on Dec 12, 2018 9:24:07 GMT
Getting away with what exactly?
Care to explain the comment in bold?
1.) Rose tinted meaning you're excessively optimistic about Wales as a footballing nation. 2.) Nationalist in using a Welsh phrase many of us don't understand. I had to DM a mate from North Wales on Twitter to check what it meant. I'm from Pembrokeshire. We spoke English. I'm staggered they've allowed such an arrogant bully to moderate on here. That makes no sense whatsoever and talk of bullying makes you look even more foolish than you already do.
My brief as moderator is to clear the forum of spam and duplicate threads and keep an eye out for posts that cross the line for all the usual 'isms, shit stirring and club rivalry, something YOU have been guilty of a numbers of times to the point you have had a pm warning about it.
Outside of that I can post as any other user would. So when you write absolute rubbish in an adult football forum, I'll call it out, like when you have written absolute rubbish many times before and will no doubt write absolute rubbish again.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Dec 12, 2018 12:15:55 GMT
I wish we had more loyal fans like peoffrey who back the team no matter What. Not like fans who start watching in their mid thirties who go on a few away trips and think their a super fan and to good a fan for home games. 🙈🙈🙈 🤣🤣🤣
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Giggs
Dec 12, 2018 13:45:16 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Dec 12, 2018 13:45:16 GMT
I wish we had more loyal fans like peoffrey who back the team no matter What. Not like fans who start watching in their mid thirties who go on a few away trips and think their a super fan and to good a fan for home games. You're a very naughty boy!! I don't know what you mean 😎
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Giggs
Dec 12, 2018 18:23:22 GMT
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Dec 12, 2018 18:23:22 GMT
Getting away with what exactly?
Care to explain the comment in bold?
1.) Rose tinted meaning you're excessively optimistic about Wales as a footballing nation. 2.) Nationalist in using a Welsh phrase many of us don't understand. I had to DM a mate from North Wales on Twitter to check what it meant. I'm from Pembrokeshire. We spoke English. I'm staggered they've allowed such an arrogant bully to moderate on here. My father told me Pembrokeshire is known as Little England but u called me English but I probably speak more Welsh than you. lol
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Giggs
Dec 12, 2018 19:42:59 GMT
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Post by cymroircarn on Dec 12, 2018 19:42:59 GMT
Getting away with what exactly?
Care to explain the comment in bold?
1.) Rose tinted meaning you're excessively optimistic about Wales as a footballing nation. 2.) Nationalist in using a Welsh phrase many of us don't understand. I had to DM a mate from North Wales on Twitter to check what it meant. I'm from Pembrokeshire. We spoke English. I'm staggered they've allowed such an arrogant bully to moderate on here. Is this the sort of “fan” we have picked up on the way since Euro16? 🙈🙉🙊
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Post by 1gwaunview on Dec 12, 2018 19:53:01 GMT
1.) Rose tinted meaning you're excessively optimistic about Wales as a footballing nation. 2.) Nationalist in using a Welsh phrase many of us don't understand. I had to DM a mate from North Wales on Twitter to check what it meant. I'm from Pembrokeshire. We spoke English. I'm staggered they've allowed such an arrogant bully to moderate on here. My father told me Pembrokeshire is known as Little England but u called me English but I probably speak more Welsh than you. lol South Pembs is called little England beyond Wales. Flemish shipped in during the middle ages or earlier for some reason (probably to subdue the Welsh), they have words some still use down there from that time. North Pembs is Wales, more connection with Ceredigion. Thus endeth the history lesson.
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Giggs
Dec 12, 2018 19:57:11 GMT
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Post by cymroircarn on Dec 12, 2018 19:57:11 GMT
My father told me Pembrokeshire is known as Little England but u called me English but I probably speak more Welsh than you. lol South Pembs is little England beyond Wales. Flemish shipped in during the middle ages for some reason (probably to subdue the Welsh), they have words some still use down there from that time. North Pembs is Welsh, more connection with Ceredigion. Agreed. Disappointed with his attitude here, making it sound like all of Pembrokeshire only speaks English. Not sure what point he is trying to make?
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Post by 1gwaunview on Dec 12, 2018 20:03:50 GMT
Born and brought up in North Pembs speaking Welsh.
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Giggs
Dec 12, 2018 20:07:26 GMT
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Post by cymroircarn on Dec 12, 2018 20:07:26 GMT
Born and brought up in North Pembs speaking Welsh. Shhhh! Don’t tell Peoffrey
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Post by CrackityJones on Dec 12, 2018 20:09:02 GMT
I can’t work it out either. I used the term ‘Iawn cont?’ to another user for a laugh (the reaction was hilarious anyway) so that makes me a Nationalist because he doesn’t understand due to being from Pembs where they speak English.
Let’s call it the Euros effect.
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Giggs
Dec 12, 2018 22:02:34 GMT
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Dec 12, 2018 22:02:34 GMT
My father told me Pembrokeshire is known as Little England but u called me English but I probably speak more Welsh than you. lol South Pembs is called little England beyond Wales. Flemish shipped in during the middle ages or earlier for some reason (probably to subdue the Welsh), they have words some still use down there from that time. North Pembs is Wales, more connection with Ceredigion. Thus endeth the history lesson. Thanks bro.
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Giggs
Dec 12, 2018 22:17:45 GMT
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Dec 12, 2018 22:17:45 GMT
Born and brought up in North Pembs speaking Welsh. Born Merthyr brought up Monmouth worked England living in Ireland... No wonder I'm incoherent 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Giggs
Dec 12, 2018 22:36:34 GMT
Post by CrackityJones on Dec 12, 2018 22:36:34 GMT
Born and brought up in North Pembs speaking Welsh. Born Merthyr brought up Monmouth worked England living in Ireland... No wonder I'm incoherent 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 That one made sense though. Da iawn coc oen.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Dec 13, 2018 4:43:55 GMT
Born Merthyr brought up Monmouth worked England living in Ireland... No wonder I'm incoherent 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 That one made sense though. Da iawn coc oen. Diolch cont
(sorry if that is not coherent in welsh but i brought up in Monmouth not North Pembs)
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Giggs
Dec 13, 2018 11:04:06 GMT
Post by richierich333 on Dec 13, 2018 11:04:06 GMT
I can’t work it out either. I used the term ‘Iawn cont?’ to another user for a laugh (the reaction was hilarious anyway) so that makes me a Nationalist because he doesn’t understand due to being from Pembs where they speak English. Let’s call it the Euros effect. No one laughed. You were having a fit over nothing (as per) and i suggested you wind it in a bit. Why are you referring to me as 'another user' when you full well know it was me? I'm not new. As for context try saying 'alright cunt?' in South Wales to someone you don't know and see if they hear it as a term of endearment. What's confusing you?
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Giggs
Dec 13, 2018 11:05:55 GMT
Post by pendragon on Dec 13, 2018 11:05:55 GMT
That one made sense though. Da iawn coc oen. Diolch cont
(sorry if that is not coherent in welsh but i brought up in Monmouth not North Pembs) I bet you didn't hear words like that, growing up in a posh-ish place like Monmouth then!
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Giggs
Dec 13, 2018 11:10:16 GMT
Post by richierich333 on Dec 13, 2018 11:10:16 GMT
I'm not a Euro bandwaggoner either. I stopped supporting a club (Liverpool - dad's influence) when I was about 10 or 11 to just support Wales, although I do support Cardiff a distant second as they are my local team. I am now 36.
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Giggs
Dec 13, 2018 11:10:40 GMT
Post by CrackityJones on Dec 13, 2018 11:10:40 GMT
I can’t work it out either. I used the term ‘Iawn cont?’ to another user for a laugh (the reaction was hilarious anyway) so that makes me a Nationalist because he doesn’t understand due to being from Pembs where they speak English. Let’s call it the Euros effect. No one laughed. You were having a fit over nothing (as per) and i suggested you wind it in a bit. Why are you referring to me as 'another user' when you full well know it was me? I'm not new. As for context try saying 'alright cunt?' in South Wales to someone you don't know and see if they hear it as a term of endearment. What's confusing you? Wow. You are the gift that keeps on giving.
I'm from South Wales by the way...but not Pembs
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Giggs
Dec 13, 2018 11:53:17 GMT
Post by cymruramdcfc on Dec 13, 2018 11:53:17 GMT
Diolch cont
(sorry if that is not coherent in welsh but i brought up in Monmouth not North Pembs) I bet you didn't hear words like that, growing up in a posh-ish place like Monmouth then! its the paddy influence got me swearing to much and learning new welsh words on here.
all fun on my part , never take much serious or any person.... hence why im single
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Giggs
Dec 13, 2018 11:54:31 GMT
Post by cymruramdcfc on Dec 13, 2018 11:54:31 GMT
No one laughed. You were having a fit over nothing (as per) and i suggested you wind it in a bit. Why are you referring to me as 'another user' when you full well know it was me? I'm not new. As for context try saying 'alright cunt?' in South Wales to someone you don't know and see if they hear it as a term of endearment. What's confusing you? Wow. You are the gift that keeps on giving.
I'm from South Wales by the way...but not Pembs
hope you organize a meeting in Croatia .... be fun...
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Post by CrackityJones on Dec 13, 2018 11:58:51 GMT
Wow. You are the gift that keeps on giving.
I'm from South Wales by the way...but not Pembs
hope you organize a meeting in Croatia .... be fun...
Croatian summer school: Crackity's Cymraeg Cussing Class.
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