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Dec 9, 2018 20:17:50 GMT
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Dec 9, 2018 20:17:50 GMT
Do you think any manager be able to equal that summer. We live in hope and always want to believe we can. It's going to be tough getting out the group.. doable yes but not easy The expectation now should be to qualify. Once we’re there it’s just about the occasion, the dreams come true for me. I’d be happy qualifying and going out in the group stage as long as we have a good account of ourselves Agree. At present that's what we must achieve. But I feel same if different manager or even Coleman
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Post by pendragon on Dec 9, 2018 23:19:38 GMT
Hopefully he can start by getting us to another Euro or World Cup semi-final then... 👍 Do you think any manager be able to equal that summer. We live in hope and always want to believe we can. It's going to be tough getting out the group.. doable yes but not easy What I'm basically saying (and not very well!) is that animosity towards Giggs by his harshest critics is so strong that possibly only a mean feat such as another Euro or World Cup semi would win them over 😮
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Dec 10, 2018 8:53:31 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 8:53:31 GMT
As much as it made me happy, our Euro 2016 heroics were just so random and unexpected. They were daft in some ways. Little old Wales reaching the Semi Finals.
We need to be realistic in our expectations. The young side are capable of qualifying for one of the two next tournaments.
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Post by CrackityJones on Dec 10, 2018 8:57:36 GMT
Absolute rubbish. There was nothing random about our Euro16 success, that was a long time in the making. Just ask Osian.
We can do with shaking off the ‘little ol Wales’ bollox as well. If ROI can sustain qualifying over the course of three decades, so can we. I’m sure that’s the ambition of the FAW anyway.
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Dec 10, 2018 9:55:23 GMT
Post by fiveattheback on Dec 10, 2018 9:55:23 GMT
Absolute rubbish. There was nothing random about our Euro16 success, that was a long time in the making. Just ask Osian. We can do with shaking off the ‘little ol Wales’ bollox as well. If ROI can sustain qualifying over the course of two decades, so can we. I’m sure that’s the ambition of the FAW anyway. The Welsh are probably the best in the world at downplaying their own achievements and playing the "Poor little old me" card. Why does a country who has consistently punched above its weight in all manner of sports have so little confidence?
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Post by bringbackelmo on Dec 10, 2018 10:29:26 GMT
Agreed, apart from the England game where we showed them far too much respect, we deserved everything we got at the Euros.
We were good against Slovakia, great against Russia and we hammered Belgium.
Everyone thought Belgium would beat us despite the fact that we had qualified from their group and taken 4 points off them.
We ran out of steam by the semi but there wasn't a single win on the way there that we didn't deserve.
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Dec 10, 2018 10:33:29 GMT
Post by superunknown on Dec 10, 2018 10:33:29 GMT
Absolute rubbish. There was nothing random about our Euro16 success, that was a long time in the making. Just ask Osian. We can do with shaking off the ‘little ol Wales’ bollox as well. If ROI can sustain qualifying over the course of two decades, so can we. I’m sure that’s the ambition of the FAW anyway. Couldn't agree more. To use another example, Denmark has a population of 5.8mil, not that much bigger than our relatively and they have consistently been up there as one of the better teams in Europe, even won the Euros! They obviously don't have the population to regularly compete with your Frances and your Spains but they make a good fist of it everytime and there's absolutely no reason we can't to. We have the players and our youth system is very good that we seem to always have another gem on the horizon. Need to start thinking of ourselves as better than we are.
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Giggs
Dec 10, 2018 11:59:43 GMT
Post by cymruramdcfc on Dec 10, 2018 11:59:43 GMT
Absolute rubbish. There was nothing random about our Euro16 success, that was a long time in the making. Just ask Osian. We can do with shaking off the ‘little ol Wales’ bollox as well. If ROI can sustain qualifying over the course of three decades, so can we. I’m sure that’s the ambition of the FAW anyway. i think you @peoffrey was saying is that we are a smaller nation and we did do extremely well in euro 16, we played exceptionally well in all except NI game imoa. as for the RUBBISH dig, alot of us was surprised we got to the semi finals, most was that i spoke to wanted us to get out of the group as a good tournament.... semi final was a fantastic achievement.
We all agree we should be aiming to qualify in all competitions like ROI as your example. but lets not forget that it was along time before 2016 that we graced the finals.
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Dec 10, 2018 12:33:57 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Dec 10, 2018 12:33:57 GMT
Absolute rubbish. There was nothing random about our Euro16 success, that was a long time in the making. Just ask Osian. We can do with shaking off the ‘little ol Wales’ bollox as well. If ROI can sustain qualifying over the course of three decades, so can we. I’m sure that’s the ambition of the FAW anyway. i think you @peoffrey was saying is that we are a smaller nation and we did do extremely well in euro 16, we played exceptionally well in all except NI game imoa. as for the RUBBISH dig, alot of us was surprised we got to the semi finals, most was that i spoke to wanted us to get out of the group as a good tournament.... semi final was a fantastic achievement.
We all agree we should be aiming to qualify in all competitions like ROI as your example. but lets not forget that it was along time before 2016 that we graced the finals.
It is a lot easier to qualify now.
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Dec 10, 2018 12:45:31 GMT
Post by cymruramdcfc on Dec 10, 2018 12:45:31 GMT
i think you @peoffrey was saying is that we are a smaller nation and we did do extremely well in euro 16, we played exceptionally well in all except NI game imoa. as for the RUBBISH dig, alot of us was surprised we got to the semi finals, most was that i spoke to wanted us to get out of the group as a good tournament.... semi final was a fantastic achievement.
We all agree we should be aiming to qualify in all competitions like ROI as your example. but lets not forget that it was along time before 2016 that we graced the finals.
It is a lot easier to qualify now. lets hope we have many finals to go to in years ahead. but we did miss out on the last one or was that Osian master plan as well
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Dec 10, 2018 13:01:19 GMT
Post by CrackityJones on Dec 10, 2018 13:01:19 GMT
Absolute rubbish. There was nothing random about our Euro16 success, that was a long time in the making. Just ask Osian. We can do with shaking off the ‘little ol Wales’ bollox as well. If ROI can sustain qualifying over the course of three decades, so can we. I’m sure that’s the ambition of the FAW anyway. i think you @peoffrey was saying is that we are a smaller nation and we did do extremely well in euro 16, we played exceptionally well in all except NI game imoa. as for the RUBBISH dig, alot of us was surprised we got to the semi finals, most was that i spoke to wanted us to get out of the group as a good tournament.... semi final was a fantastic achievement.
We all agree we should be aiming to qualify in all competitions like ROI as your example. but lets not forget that it was along time before 2016 that we graced the finals.
Rubbish dig? It wasn't a dig, it was an outright criticism of his post and the 'little ol Wales' sentiment it conveyed. I'm sure he doesn't need you speaking (incoherently) for him anyway.
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Dec 10, 2018 13:02:42 GMT
Post by phillywelsh83 on Dec 10, 2018 13:02:42 GMT
It is a lot easier to qualify now. lets hope we have many finals to go to in years ahead. but we did miss out on the last one or was that Osian master plan as well
That was a World Cup, not as easy to qualify for.
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Dec 10, 2018 13:16:57 GMT
Post by cymruramdcfc on Dec 10, 2018 13:16:57 GMT
i think you @peoffrey was saying is that we are a smaller nation and we did do extremely well in euro 16, we played exceptionally well in all except NI game imoa. as for the RUBBISH dig, alot of us was surprised we got to the semi finals, most was that i spoke to wanted us to get out of the group as a good tournament.... semi final was a fantastic achievement.
We all agree we should be aiming to qualify in all competitions like ROI as your example. but lets not forget that it was along time before 2016 that we graced the finals.
Rubbish dig? It wasn't a dig, it was an outright criticism of his post and the 'little ol Wales' sentiment it conveyed. I'm sure he doesn't need you speaking (incoherently) for him anyway.
do you have a problem understanding my ramblings? is it my welsh irish accent now showing on my typing??
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Dec 10, 2018 13:52:15 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 13:52:15 GMT
What on earth have I just read? Some horrendous overreaction to my very valid post. Let me put some context in here.
I'm 38 years old. I first watched my home nation in a major tournament in 2016. It was just a few years before that when I knew a Welsh club in the Premier League. Throughout life it's been disappointment after disappointment with the team. If you lot don't know being modest, humble, self-deprecating and understatement of intelligence then do you know many Welsh people?
We are a tiny nation. The smallest to ever make the Semi Finals like that. People often haven't heard of Wales. I had to get Maps out on my phone twice in Berlin to show locals where Wales was. Passport control at Stockholm was all "The Gareth Bale team?" This ridiculous sense of self-entitlement on the back of ONE success is a bit of a shock.
The Euro success was surreal. I had hoped for one win in the group itself. We had a mediocre campaign for 2018 and lost twice in the Nations League. Then there's Albania away... Talk of "qualify or bust" for Giggs targets is excessive.
Be realistic. Without any subsequent success, Euro 2016 was a freak event.
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Dec 10, 2018 13:59:41 GMT
Post by richierich333 on Dec 10, 2018 13:59:41 GMT
i think you @peoffrey was saying is that we are a smaller nation and we did do extremely well in euro 16, we played exceptionally well in all except NI game imoa. as for the RUBBISH dig, alot of us was surprised we got to the semi finals, most was that i spoke to wanted us to get out of the group as a good tournament.... semi final was a fantastic achievement.
We all agree we should be aiming to qualify in all competitions like ROI as your example. but lets not forget that it was along time before 2016 that we graced the finals.
Rubbish dig? It wasn't a dig, it was an outright criticism of his post and the 'little ol Wales' sentiment it conveyed. I'm sure he doesn't need you speaking (incoherently) for him anyway.
Are you alright???
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Dec 10, 2018 15:13:03 GMT
Post by CrackityJones on Dec 10, 2018 15:13:03 GMT
Rubbish dig? It wasn't a dig, it was an outright criticism of his post and the 'little ol Wales' sentiment it conveyed. I'm sure he doesn't need you speaking (incoherently) for him anyway.
Are you alright??? Iawn cont?
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Post by CrackityJones on Dec 10, 2018 15:22:58 GMT
What on earth have I just read? Some horrendous overreaction to my very valid post. Let me put some context in here. I'm 38 years old. I first watched my home nation in a major tournament in 2016. It was just a few years before that when I knew a Welsh club in the Premier League. Throughout life it's been disappointment after disappointment with the team. If you lot don't know being modest, humble, self-deprecating and understatement of intelligence then do you know many Welsh people? We are a tiny nation. The smallest to ever make the Semi Finals like that. People often haven't heard of Wales. I had to get Maps out on my phone twice in Berlin to show locals where Wales was. Passport control at Stockholm was all "The Gareth Bale team?" This ridiculous sense of self-entitlement on the back of ONE success is a bit of a shock. The Euro success was surreal. I had hoped for one win in the group itself. We had a mediocre campaign for 2018 and lost twice in the Nations League. Then there's Albania away... Talk of "qualify or bust" for Giggs targets is excessive. Be realistic. Without any subsequent success, Euro 2016 was a freak event. You referred to Little Old Wales' Euro16 campaign as random and daft. Now its surreal. I think that's far from a valid point, in fact its absolute rubbish and cheapens the achievement. It was built on foundations laid by Flynn and Toshack, took forward by Speed then Coleman and now hopefully Giggs. Although the jury is out on that one.
You seem to want to perpetuate the image of our country as some sort of back water. Some of us have higher ambitions for this talented group (qualify as 2nd seeds) and that's not having a sense of entitlement either. Time to shrug off the complex.
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Dec 10, 2018 17:00:46 GMT
Post by superunknown on Dec 10, 2018 17:00:46 GMT
What on earth have I just read? Some horrendous overreaction to my very valid post. Let me put some context in here. I'm 38 years old. I first watched my home nation in a major tournament in 2016. It was just a few years before that when I knew a Welsh club in the Premier League. Throughout life it's been disappointment after disappointment with the team. If you lot don't know being modest, humble, self-deprecating and understatement of intelligence then do you know many Welsh people? We are a tiny nation. The smallest to ever make the Semi Finals like that. People often haven't heard of Wales. I had to get Maps out on my phone twice in Berlin to show locals where Wales was. Passport control at Stockholm was all "The Gareth Bale team?" This ridiculous sense of self-entitlement on the back of ONE success is a bit of a shock. The Euro success was surreal. I had hoped for one win in the group itself. We had a mediocre campaign for 2018 and lost twice in the Nations League. Then there's Albania away... Talk of "qualify or bust" for Giggs targets is excessive. Be realistic. Without any subsequent success, Euro 2016 was a freak event. You referred to Little Old Wales' Euro16 campaign as random and daft. Now its surreal. I think that's far from a valid point, in fact its absolute rubbish and cheapens the achievement. It was built on foundations laid by Flynn and Toshack, took forward by Speed then Coleman and now hopefully Giggs. Although the jury is out on that one.
You seem to want to perpetuate the image of our country as some sort of back water. Some of us have higher ambitions for this talented group (qualify as 2nd seeds) and that's not having a sense of entitlement either. Time to shrug off the complex.
Bang on.
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Post by TheWelshWay on Dec 10, 2018 17:22:02 GMT
What on earth have I just read? Some horrendous overreaction to my very valid post. Let me put some context in here. I'm 38 years old. I first watched my home nation in a major tournament in 2016. It was just a few years before that when I knew a Welsh club in the Premier League. Throughout life it's been disappointment after disappointment with the team. If you lot don't know being modest, humble, self-deprecating and understatement of intelligence then do you know many Welsh people? We are a tiny nation. The smallest to ever make the Semi Finals like that. People often haven't heard of Wales. I had to get Maps out on my phone twice in Berlin to show locals where Wales was. Passport control at Stockholm was all "The Gareth Bale team?" This ridiculous sense of self-entitlement on the back of ONE success is a bit of a shock. The Euro success was surreal. I had hoped for one win in the group itself. We had a mediocre campaign for 2018 and lost twice in the Nations League. Then there's Albania away... Talk of "qualify or bust" for Giggs targets is excessive. Be realistic. Without any subsequent success, Euro 2016 was a freak event. You referred to Little Old Wales' Euro16 campaign as random and daft. Now its surreal. I think that's far from a valid point, in fact its absolute rubbish and cheapens the achievement. It was built on foundations laid by Flynn and Toshack, took forward by Speed then Coleman and now hopefully Giggs. Although the jury is out on that one.
You seem to want to perpetuate the image of our country as some sort of back water. Some of us have higher ambitions for this talented group (qualify as 2nd seeds) and that's not having a sense of entitlement either. Time to shrug off the complex.
Agree with this, whilst I will give Giggs my backing now, we should be aiming to qualify regularly going forward. Its not cockiness or a sense of entitlement, I feel we are now were we always should be. A small but talented nation, on the fringes of top 20 teams in the world and qualifying for major championships or at least getting to playoffs/final game of the group.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Dec 10, 2018 19:51:33 GMT
I think EURO2016 was a fantastic one off re: getting to the semi-final of a tournament, when we could/possibly should have to got to the final.
However, with the great potential of this current squad (arguably the best we've had), we should qualify for a number of tournaments in the next decade at least, if not getting further than the group stages.
My doubt is, have we the best man for the job as manager (not a Giggs fan, but reserving judgement)? Time will tell and it would be a terrible shame for this current class not to fulfil their promise.
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Dec 11, 2018 8:02:23 GMT
Post by richierich333 on Dec 11, 2018 8:02:23 GMT
Iawn? You're far from fucking 'iawn' I can assure you, as this ^^^ demonstrates. How no one has said anything yet is beyond me. I'm guessing you're in the clique and therefore immune.
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Dec 11, 2018 8:22:12 GMT
Post by cymruramdcfc on Dec 11, 2018 8:22:12 GMT
Iawn? You're far from fucking 'iawn' I can assure you, as this ^^^ demonstrates. How no one has said anything yet is beyond me. I'm guessing you're in the clique and therefore immune. i had to google this to see what it meant to be honest ( to my embarrassment ) i know a swear word in welsh now .
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Dec 11, 2018 8:31:03 GMT
Post by richierich333 on Dec 11, 2018 8:31:03 GMT
Iawn? You're far from fucking 'iawn' I can assure you, as this ^^^ demonstrates. How no one has said anything yet is beyond me. I'm guessing you're in the clique and therefore immune. i had to google this to see what it meant to be honest ( to my embarrassment ) i know a swear word in welsh now .
It's not you that should be embarrassed...
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Post by CrackityJones on Dec 11, 2018 8:36:22 GMT
i had to google this to see what it meant to be honest ( to my embarrassment ) i know a swear word in welsh now .
It's not you that should be embarrassed... Clearly never been to Caernarfon then?
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Dec 11, 2018 8:45:25 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 8:45:25 GMT
You referred to Little Old Wales' Euro16 campaign as random and daft. Now its surreal. I think that's far from a valid point, in fact its absolute rubbish and cheapens the achievement. It was built on foundations laid by Flynn and Toshack, took forward by Speed then Coleman and now hopefully Giggs. Although the jury is out on that one.
You seem to want to perpetuate the image of our country as some sort of back water. Some of us have higher ambitions for this talented group (qualify as 2nd seeds) and that's not having a sense of entitlement either. Time to shrug off the complex.
Bang on. I completely disagree with you. Random, daft and surreal all lean towards description of something unexpected and outside of the ordinary. They're not usual experiences. It'd be like Wigan Athletic expecting success each season after one FA Cup win in recent history. They only beat Man City because they were in absolute disarray off the field and Mancini was dismissed days later. My earliest football memory was Wimbledon beating Liverpool in the final of the same competition. Now look at them. Let's face facts here. Giggs was an unpopular choice from a significant number of our fans. He's been set unrealistic targets from them and they'll be calling for his departure if they're not achieved. I've seen it before at club level. We need to make a good show of ourselves in the 2018 qualifiers. Croatia and Slovakia are good sides.
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Dec 11, 2018 8:52:21 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 8:52:21 GMT
Iawn? You're far from fucking 'iawn' I can assure you, as this ^^^ demonstrates. How no one has said anything yet is beyond me. I'm guessing you're in the clique and therefore immune. Astonished a moderator is posting like this and, lo and behold, getting away with it too. If anything, I've really got to this rose-tinted nationalist with legitimate criticism of decades of Welsh failure. We should have been able to build successful teams with what we had. We didn't. I implore the owner(s) of this site to deal with him.
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Dec 11, 2018 8:57:45 GMT
Post by CrackityJones on Dec 11, 2018 8:57:45 GMT
Iawn? You're far from fucking 'iawn' I can assure you, as this ^^^ demonstrates. How no one has said anything yet is beyond me. I'm guessing you're in the clique and therefore immune. Astonished a moderator is posting like this and, lo and behold, getting away with it too. If anything, I've really got to this rose-tinted nationalist with legitimate criticism of decades of Welsh failure. We should have been able to build successful teams with what we had. We didn't. I implore the owner(s) of this site to deal with him. Getting away with what exactly?
Care to explain the comment in bold?
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Dec 11, 2018 9:05:22 GMT
Post by richierich333 on Dec 11, 2018 9:05:22 GMT
Astonished a moderator is posting like this and, lo and behold, getting away with it too. If anything, I've really got to this rose-tinted nationalist with legitimate criticism of decades of Welsh failure. We should have been able to build successful teams with what we had. We didn't. I implore the owner(s) of this site to deal with him. Getting away with what exactly? Calling me a 'c##t' after your embarrassing meltdown, obviously. Not the first time you've gone over the top. I'm guessing you wouldn't talk to people like that in real life.
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Dec 11, 2018 9:06:26 GMT
Post by richierich333 on Dec 11, 2018 9:06:26 GMT
Iawn? You're far from fucking 'iawn' I can assure you, as this ^^^ demonstrates. How no one has said anything yet is beyond me. I'm guessing you're in the clique and therefore immune. Astonished a moderator is posting like this and, lo and behold, getting away with it too. If anything, I've really got to this rose-tinted nationalist with legitimate criticism of decades of Welsh failure. We should have been able to build successful teams with what we had. We didn't. I implore the owner(s) of this site to deal with him. I agree, It's pretty embarrassing to be honest.
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Post by CrackityJones on Dec 11, 2018 9:10:29 GMT
It's a term of endearment in Caernarfon...akin to saying alright mate? Which is what you were saying to me right?
As for embarrassment, I'm obviously as impervious to it as you are. I thought my posts were well put and generally well received, I'm not the one going over the top here.
This song is dedicated to peoffrey and Richie. I'll give you a cwtch at the home game in March...if you attend.
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