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Post by iot on Mar 10, 2019 10:00:11 GMT
I can't say I'm impressed at all with how Giggs has gone about things since being appointed, but those who are looking for reasons to criticise and do so when it's uncalled for, do their case no good at all. Whilst I agree that training at Carrington isn't a good look given that Giggs has shown a greater interest in Man U / Salford development than Welsh players over the last year, I actually don't think it's a problem at all. I think that if he's been able to use his contacts to get top notch training facilities for us for these games, then that's actually one of the benefits of having him as manager.
However, what I do find reprehensible is his clear preference for watching Man United and Salford over tracking Welsh players, and the sense he gives and has the audacity to joke about that he isn't monitoring the players' form and development closely (see his comments on not watching Bale play this season "because I don't have Sky"). To go to a Salford game two-weeks before a massive game against Slovakia is not on at all.
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Mar 10, 2019 10:07:04 GMT
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Post by zenith on Mar 10, 2019 10:07:04 GMT
I can't say I'm impressed at all with how Giggs has gone about things since being appointed, but those who are looking for reasons to criticise and do so when it's uncalled for, do their case no good at all. Whilst I agree that training at Carrington isn't a good look given that Giggs has shown a greater interest in Man U / Salford development than Welsh players over the last year, I actually don't think it's a problem at all. I think that if he's been able to use his contacts to get top notch training facilities for us for these games, then that's actually one of the benefits of having him as manager. However, what I do find reprehensible is his clear preference for watching Man United and Salford over tracking Welsh players, and the sense he gives and has the audacity to joke about that he isn't monitoring the players' form and development closely (see his comments on not watching Bale play this season "because I don't have Sky"). To go to a Salford game two-weeks before a massive game against Slovakia is not on at all. I was at that press conference when he said it (it was actually Eleven Sports and not Sky) and the media loved it and were laughing and joking for hours with him afterwards about it - I was stunned. Thought it was poor to say that. Imagine Southgate said that about one of his top players and was out watching a conference team instead a couple of weeks before a qualifier. Everyone would be hammering him.
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Mar 10, 2019 12:01:36 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Mar 10, 2019 12:01:36 GMT
We haven't kicked a ball yet in the Euro qualifying so keep your powder dry. If there's a lack of preparation, it will soon show itself in the games to come, and if so we'll have plenty of ammo to fire at what so far seems to be a self obsessed individual who puts his own priorities before all others, who is treating the Wales job as little more than a well paid part-time hobby. I'll feel sorry for Osian if this all ends in tears, and the wasted opportunity if things go belly up. I hope I'm proved wrong.
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Mar 10, 2019 12:56:37 GMT
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Post by pendragon on Mar 10, 2019 12:56:37 GMT
Well, if this does well and truly go belly-up due to lack of preparation, he can say goodbye to any chance of a top job in the Premier League, so hopefully, that should be a good reason as any to ensure there are no avoidable slip-ups during this campaign.
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Mar 10, 2019 13:19:37 GMT
Post by dai on Mar 10, 2019 13:19:37 GMT
Do the FAW have to pay to use training facilities? Maybe Giggs has managed to wangle free use of the facilities in Manchester.......
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Mar 10, 2019 13:24:20 GMT
Post by insertname on Mar 10, 2019 13:24:20 GMT
I can't say I'm impressed at all with how Giggs has gone about things since being appointed, but those who are looking for reasons to criticise and do so when it's uncalled for, do their case no good at all. Whilst I agree that training at Carrington isn't a good look given that Giggs has shown a greater interest in Man U / Salford development than Welsh players over the last year, I actually don't think it's a problem at all. I think that if he's been able to use his contacts to get top notch training facilities for us for these games, then that's actually one of the benefits of having him as manager. However, what I do find reprehensible is his clear preference for watching Man United and Salford over tracking Welsh players, and the sense he gives and has the audacity to joke about that he isn't monitoring the players' form and development closely (see his comments on not watching Bale play this season "because I don't have Sky"). To go to a Salford game two-weeks before a massive game against Slovakia is not on at all. What else can be expected from a guy who shagged his brother's wife? Okay, so the FAW did not make their decision on personal reasons but it surely can't be a surprise that someone with Giggs's checkered personal life puts his own wants and needs before that of a job he is being paid handsomely for. The FAW knew all this and took the risk anyway and should be held responsible if this is a gamble that does not pay off.
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Mar 10, 2019 17:53:33 GMT
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 10, 2019 17:53:33 GMT
I can't say I'm impressed at all with how Giggs has gone about things since being appointed, but those who are looking for reasons to criticise and do so when it's uncalled for, do their case no good at all. Whilst I agree that training at Carrington isn't a good look given that Giggs has shown a greater interest in Man U / Salford development than Welsh players over the last year, I actually don't think it's a problem at all. I think that if he's been able to use his contacts to get top notch training facilities for us for these games, then that's actually one of the benefits of having him as manager. However, what I do find reprehensible is his clear preference for watching Man United and Salford over tracking Welsh players, and the sense he gives and has the audacity to joke about that he isn't monitoring the players' form and development closely (see his comments on not watching Bale play this season "because I don't have Sky"). To go to a Salford game two-weeks before a massive game against Slovakia is not on at all. What else can be expected from a guy who shagged his brother's wife? Okay, so the FAW did not make their decision on personal reasons but it surely can't be a surprise that someone with Giggs's checkered personal life puts his own wants and needs before that of a job he is being paid handsomely for. The FAW knew all this and took the risk anyway and should be held responsible if this is a gamble that does not pay off. Don’t just mention him shagging his brothers wife, you need to bring up his friendly record too. It somehow needs to be said every page of the thread so if you get the friendly thing in as well it saves anyone else having to do it. No need to bother on Twitter or the Daily Mail comments, whenever Giggs is mentioned on those there is already hundreds ready to remind anyone who may have forgot (or moved on)
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Post by 1gwaunview on Mar 10, 2019 18:07:12 GMT
What else can be expected from a guy who shagged his brother's wife? Okay, so the FAW did not make their decision on personal reasons but it surely can't be a surprise that someone with Giggs's checkered personal life puts his own wants and needs before that of a job he is being paid handsomely for. The FAW knew all this and took the risk anyway and should be held responsible if this is a gamble that does not pay off. Don’t just mention him shagging his brothers wife, you need to bring up his friendly record too. It somehow needs to be said every page of the thread so if you get the friendly thing in as well it saves anyone else having to do it. No need to bother on Twitter or the Daily Mail comments, whenever Giggs is mentioned on those there is already hundreds ready to remind anyone who may have forgot (or moved on) Not to forget Imogen Thomas and the court order.
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Post by massivefloodlights on Mar 10, 2019 19:24:53 GMT
I thought the FAW had training facilities at the National Development Centre at Colliers Park in Wrexham ? Colliers Park is nowhere near ready. We’re talking months away. There is nothing else, facility wise in mid or north Wales suitable for our international side. Of course we could just rock up at a park and play jumpers for goalposts but Giggs probably wasn’t given that option. Man Utds Carrington training facility is around a 50 minute drive away from Wrexham on the M56.
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Mar 10, 2019 19:36:27 GMT
Post by gwernybwch on Mar 10, 2019 19:36:27 GMT
We haven't kicked a ball yet in the Euro qualifying so keep your powder dry. If there's a lack of preparation, it will soon show itself in the games to come, and if so we'll have plenty of ammo to fire at what so far seems to be a self obsessed individual who puts his own priorities before all others, who is treating the Wales job as little more than a well paid part-time hobby. I'll feel sorry for Osian if this all ends in tears, and the wasted opportunity if things go belly up. I hope I'm proved wrong. Personally I'm not looking for ammo to get rid of Giggs. Nothing would please me more if he fully committed to the Wales job. I'm not sure that HIS lack of preparation is going to show in the Slovakia game. Our recent history tells us that we can beat them. Since then their team have aged significantly. The only tactics that we need to put in place is do a marking job on Hamsik and then let the young ones rip apart the aged back four. Don’t just mention him shagging his brothers wife, you need to bring up his friendly record too. It somehow needs to be said every page of the thread so if you get the friendly thing in as well it saves anyone else having to do it. The reality is, this has and will continue to have an impact on Welsh football. Why does Giggs continue to pimp himself out to anyone, even Comic book Conventions, instead on concentrating on being the Manager of Wales? The answer isn't that the FAW's salary isn't enough for an ex-pro to live on. It was more than enough to maintain the life style of ex-pro's Toshack, Speed and Coleman.The answer lies in that he has gone through a very expensive divorce. Brought on my his own actions. Now ask the question why huge MNC's like Mars haven't been scrambling to sponsor Wales? The answer again lies in that they don't want to associated with a bloke that has done the things that he has done.
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 10, 2019 21:16:58 GMT
What else can be expected from a guy who shagged his brother's wife? Okay, so the FAW did not make their decision on personal reasons but it surely can't be a surprise that someone with Giggs's checkered personal life puts his own wants and needs before that of a job he is being paid handsomely for. The FAW knew all this and took the risk anyway and should be held responsible if this is a gamble that does not pay off. Don’t just mention him shagging his brothers wife, you need to bring up his friendly record too. It somehow needs to be said every page of the thread so if you get the friendly thing in as well it saves anyone else having to do it. No need to bother on Twitter or the Daily Mail comments, whenever Giggs is mentioned on those there is already hundreds ready to remind anyone who may have forgot (or moved on) I wonder what odds his brother will give me on Wales losing to Slovakia and Salford winning (can’t be bothered looking who they’re playing)
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Mar 10, 2019 22:44:36 GMT
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Post by insertname on Mar 10, 2019 22:44:36 GMT
What else can be expected from a guy who shagged his brother's wife? Okay, so the FAW did not make their decision on personal reasons but it surely can't be a surprise that someone with Giggs's checkered personal life puts his own wants and needs before that of a job he is being paid handsomely for. The FAW knew all this and took the risk anyway and should be held responsible if this is a gamble that does not pay off. Don’t just mention him shagging his brothers wife, you need to bring up his friendly record too. It somehow needs to be said every page of the thread so if you get the friendly thing in as well it saves anyone else having to do it. No need to bother on Twitter or the Daily Mail comments, whenever Giggs is mentioned on those there is already hundreds ready to remind anyone who may have forgot (or moved on) It would be a lot easier to move on if he seemed to be putting the job first. Unfortunately as Giggs seems to be determined to spend most of his time associating with his extra-curricular interests rather than anything to do with his job is it not fair comment to say that his prior misdemeanours indicate that we should not be surprised that he is putting himself first? Seems an entirely reasonable conclusion to draw to me.
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Mar 11, 2019 10:45:28 GMT
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Post by cadno on Mar 11, 2019 10:45:28 GMT
I thought the FAW had training facilities at the National Development Centre at Colliers Park in Wrexham ? Colliers Park is nowhere near ready. We’re talking months away. There is nothing else, facility wise in mid or north Wales suitable for our international side. Of course we could just rock up at a park and play jumpers for goalposts but Giggs probably wasn’t given that option. Man Utds Carrington training facility is around a 50 minute drive away from Wrexham on the M56. Manchester seems logical!
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Mar 11, 2019 12:08:14 GMT
Some people complaining about the manager getting world class training facilities for our players, as its reasonably close to Wrexham. Hes such a bad guy! Sack him now! How dare he do the best for the players!
This was always going to happen, there was a proportion of fans that never wanted Giggs, and moreso wont give him a reasonable chance, looking for anything he does to beat him with. If he fails to qualify for the Euro's then he can be judged. Thus far we have only had one Nations League campaign and Denmark are a decent side, could have done better, yes, but give the guy a chance.
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Mar 11, 2019 12:38:11 GMT
Post by iot on Mar 11, 2019 12:38:11 GMT
Some people complaining about the manager getting world class training facilities for our players, as its reasonably close to Wrexham. Hes such a bad guy! Sack him now! How dare he do the best for the players! This was always going to happen, there was a proportion of fans that never wanted Giggs, and moreso wont give him a reasonable chance, looking for anything he does to beat him with. If he fails to qualify for the Euro's then he can be judged. Thus far we have only had one Nations League campaign and Denmark are a decent side, could have done better, yes, but give the guy a chance. Agreed, but you also have those who defend him no matter what, and lay into those who make legitimate criticisms using the 'you were never going to support giggs anyway' rhetoric to drown out any criticisms. Both sides are equally bad.
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Post by dai on Mar 11, 2019 13:33:49 GMT
Some people complaining about the manager getting world class training facilities for our players, as its reasonably close to Wrexham. Hes such a bad guy! Sack him now! How dare he do the best for the players! This was always going to happen, there was a proportion of fans that never wanted Giggs, and moreso wont give him a reasonable chance, looking for anything he does to beat him with. If he fails to qualify for the Euro's then he can be judged. Thus far we have only had one Nations League campaign and Denmark are a decent side, could have done better, yes, but give the guy a chance. Agreed, but you also have those who defend him no matter what, and lay into those who make legitimate criticisms using the 'you were never going to support giggs anyway' rhetoric to drown out any criticisms. Both sides are equally bad. I disagree, I think the anti-Giggs side are especially vocal about their agenda. I personally didn't want Giggs due to the obvious (wife, brother shit etc), but I'm not going to blow a fuse at his every decision. People are being extremely over the top here. Is it THAT much of a deal that we're training in Manchester? Which will probably only be this one time. And is it THAT bad that he has other aspects to his life, such as following his own team, Salford? With all due respect, international management isn't really a 9-5 job, so he is going to have time to follow his other ventures. This has all become incredibly petty imo.
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Post by zenith on Mar 11, 2019 14:14:27 GMT
Agreed, but you also have those who defend him no matter what, and lay into those who make legitimate criticisms using the 'you were never going to support giggs anyway' rhetoric to drown out any criticisms. Both sides are equally bad. I disagree, I think the anti-Giggs side are especially vocal about their agenda. I personally didn't want Giggs due to the obvious (wife, brother shit etc), but I'm not going to blow a fuse at his every decision. People are being extremely over the top here. Is it THAT much of a deal that we're training in Manchester? Which will probably only be this one time. And is it THAT bad that he has other aspects to his life, such as following his own team, Salford? With all due respect, international management isn't really a 9-5 job, so he is going to have time to follow his other ventures. This has all become incredibly petty imo. With all due respect though, if you’re an international manager with a huge game in 2 weeks time, I don’t think it’s best to spend your Saturday afternoon watching non-league football. And let’s not forget that he’s doing this almost every time they are at home. That’s worrying for me.
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Post by iot on Mar 11, 2019 15:10:17 GMT
Agreed, but you also have those who defend him no matter what, and lay into those who make legitimate criticisms using the 'you were never going to support giggs anyway' rhetoric to drown out any criticisms. Both sides are equally bad. I disagree, I think the anti-Giggs side are especially vocal about their agenda. I personally didn't want Giggs due to the obvious (wife, brother shit etc), but I'm not going to blow a fuse at his every decision. People are being extremely over the top here. Is it THAT much of a deal that we're training in Manchester? Which will probably only be this one time. And is it THAT bad that he has other aspects to his life, such as following his own team, Salford? With all due respect, international management isn't really a 9-5 job, so he is going to have time to follow his other ventures. This has all become incredibly petty imo. "Is it THAT much of a deal that we're training in Manchester? Which will probably only be this one time." No. "And is it THAT bad that he has other aspects to his life, such as following his own team, Salford?" Yes when he's watching Salford during the short window available where he can make the most learning and prep for his job. Your last sentence kind of contradicts the main thrust of your post. You're right, international management isn't a 9-5 job, but there's about 4-5 hours in a week that you can spend learning something new about your players that can be of value. And he fills that time, two-weeks prior to our biggest match in 18 months, watching Salford.
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Mar 11, 2019 17:54:21 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Mar 11, 2019 17:54:21 GMT
Some people complaining about the manager getting world class training facilities for our players, as its reasonably close to Wrexham. Hes such a bad guy! Sack him now! How dare he do the best for the players! This was always going to happen, there was a proportion of fans that never wanted Giggs, and moreso wont give him a reasonable chance, looking for anything he does to beat him with. If he fails to qualify for the Euro's then he can be judged. Thus far we have only had one Nations League campaign and Denmark are a decent side, could have done better, yes, but give the guy a chance. Don't forget the crap in Albania.
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Mar 11, 2019 18:43:25 GMT
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Mar 11, 2019 18:43:25 GMT
I dont think Coleman was getting this criticism but lets be fair and judge him on the upcoming campaign results. But he is not helping himself by prioritising his other clubs/business.
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Mar 11, 2019 19:40:28 GMT
Post by massivefloodlights on Mar 11, 2019 19:40:28 GMT
Barring injury disasters between now and the Slovakia game, Giggs and Osian will know their starting line up. Neither of them need to watch the likes of Brookes, Wilson etc regularly to know what they’re about or what they can do.
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Post by welshiron on Mar 11, 2019 23:21:18 GMT
Barring injury disasters between now and the Slovakia game, Giggs and Osian will know their starting line up. Neither of them need to watch the likes of Brookes, Wilson etc regularly to know what they’re about or what they can do. Maybe we dont need a manager
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Mar 12, 2019 12:16:58 GMT
Post by cymruramdcfc on Mar 12, 2019 12:16:58 GMT
giggs off to pride park on Wednesday, offered my seat for him if he cant get his own as i cant make mid week games
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Mar 12, 2019 12:31:18 GMT
Post by insertname on Mar 12, 2019 12:31:18 GMT
giggs off to pride park on Wednesday, offered my seat for him if he cant get his own as i cant make mid week games You would do better to warn Giggs that he's a few months late- Derby played Man United in the cup back in September.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Mar 12, 2019 12:44:04 GMT
giggs off to pride park on Wednesday, offered my seat for him if he cant get his own as i cant make mid week games You would do better to warn Giggs that he's a few months late- Derby played Man United in the cup back in September. you going top any games this campaign? meet up for a drink?
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Post by insertname on Mar 12, 2019 15:13:30 GMT
You would do better to warn Giggs that he's a few months late- Derby played Man United in the cup back in September. you going top any games this campaign? meet up for a drink? Yeah I think there is a good possibility of that - I’ve been living away for the last 12 years but I’m looking to move back to within spitting distance of Cardiff at some point this year so providing tickets are easy to come by I should make a home game or two if you are about. Not sure about the away situation, Azerbaijan would be my away match of choice but I suspect I’m locked out of the ‘closed shop ‘ on that front! But either way I’ll keep you posted, it’s been way too long since last we met!
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Mar 12, 2019 17:34:23 GMT
Post by massivefloodlights on Mar 12, 2019 17:34:23 GMT
Any ideas why Giggs chose Llandudno to announce the squad? I mean he never steps foot in Wales.
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Mar 12, 2019 18:44:09 GMT
Post by biwmares on Mar 12, 2019 18:44:09 GMT
Any ideas why Giggs chose Llandudno to announce the squad? I mean he never steps foot in Wales. Its not to far from Manchester an hour and a half on a good day? To be fair he has been to North Wales a few times since being appointed but i'm surprised that someone from the FAW has not had a word in his ear about his lack of public appearances in all parts of Wales surely its part of the job .
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 12, 2019 19:03:20 GMT
Some people complaining about the manager getting world class training facilities for our players, as its reasonably close to Wrexham. Hes such a bad guy! Sack him now! How dare he do the best for the players! This was always going to happen, there was a proportion of fans that never wanted Giggs, and moreso wont give him a reasonable chance, looking for anything he does to beat him with. If he fails to qualify for the Euro's then he can be judged. Thus far we have only had one Nations League campaign and Denmark are a decent side, could have done better, yes, but give the guy a chance. It’s not that he got a world class training facility, it’s that he got Man United, it’s what most people expected of Giggs he just simply cannot let Man United go! Imagine you remarried but you kept on supporting your ex wife, talking about her all the time, going to events with her, ignoring your current wife, taking your wife to your ex wife’s place of work because of the amazing facilities there. Everything Giggs and Wales just stinks of Man United and I personally am fed up of seeing the 2 joined at the hip. Man United didn’t want Giggs anymore, for whatever reason Wales did, but he’s neglecting his role to go swanning off with Man United at every opportunity. Salford too but let’s face it they’re like diet Man United. How many times has Southgate gone to Middlesbrough, how many times has Martinez been to Swansea. There is absolutely no reason for Giggs to go to Man United as there’s no players eligible for Wales in the squad. The fact he does regardless is completely unprofessional of him is it not?
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Post by gwernybwch on Mar 12, 2019 19:43:17 GMT
Barring injury disasters between now and the Slovakia game, Giggs and Osian will know their starting line up. Neither of them need to watch the likes of Brookes, Wilson etc regularly to know what they’re about or what they can do. As it happens it doesn't appear that he does. I really want to support him, but when he comes out with "I was in Vietnam, but that gave me 5 days coaching"...... You could have spent those 5 days coaching in Wales. Teaching a Welsh kid a new turn, drawback, dink which might, just might make him good enough to play for Wales one day. Although I think that this is the most interesting comment; "The FAW knew about other commitments when I took over". This is something that I have always suspected and this is where I feel sympathy with Giggs. The FAW have always known that he was already committed to ITV England, Vietnamese Football Association, UEFA. Rather come out and say when he was appointed that he is in fact a part-time manager (on full-time wages), they have allowed this to simmer and simmer to the point where Wales fans are constantly watching what he is or isn't doing.
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