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Giggs
Mar 12, 2019 20:53:35 GMT
Post by biwmares on Mar 12, 2019 20:53:35 GMT
I thought the FAW had training facilities at the National Development Centre at Colliers Park in Wrexham ? Colliers Park is nowhere near ready. We’re talking months away. There is nothing else, facility wise in mid or north Wales suitable for our international side. Of course we could just rock up at a park and play jumpers for goalposts but Giggs probably wasn’t given that option. Man Utds Carrington training facility is around a 50 minute drive away from Wrexham on the M56. Correct massivefloodlights according to this interview Giggs says it will not be ready until May when it will be used by the Wales team for a training camp. www.faw.cymru/en/news/ryan-giggs-names-31-man-squad-first-euro-2020-qualifier/
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Giggs
Mar 13, 2019 8:12:12 GMT
Post by richierich333 on Mar 13, 2019 8:12:12 GMT
Giggs Watch: Sources claim he was converting oxygen into Carbon dioxide via respiration and eating what can only be described as 'food' for sustenance. These are however just rumours at this point.
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Giggs
Mar 13, 2019 9:43:21 GMT
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Post by haruki on Mar 13, 2019 9:43:21 GMT
Very interesting Giggs interview on Ellis James Feast of Football this week. He explains the use of Carrington as wanting World class facilities as he felt let down by poor facilities during most of his welsh career. Also explains that he used the last 9 games to experiment with player positions particularly Gareth and Aaron and waned to expand the pool of players available and bring through the younger players. It all seems very logical and well thought out when he explains his thought process. He also said he watched Aaron on Sunday and Raabi last night so he is getting around games
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Post by dai on Mar 13, 2019 9:57:19 GMT
Barring injury disasters between now and the Slovakia game, Giggs and Osian will know their starting line up. Neither of them need to watch the likes of Brookes, Wilson etc regularly to know what they’re about or what they can do. As it happens it doesn't appear that he does. I really want to support him, but when he comes out with "I was in Vietnam, but that gave me 5 days coaching"...... You could have spent those 5 days coaching in Wales. Teaching a Welsh kid a new turn, drawback, dink which might, just might make him good enough to play for Wales one day. Although I think that this is the most interesting comment; "The FAW knew about other commitments when I took over". This is something that I have always suspected and this is where I feel sympathy with Giggs. The FAW have always known that he was already committed to ITV England, Vietnamese Football Association, UEFA. Rather come out and say when he was appointed that he is in fact a part-time manager (on full-time wages), they have allowed this to simmer and simmer to the point where Wales fans are constantly watching what he is or isn't doing.No they're not, MOST Welsh fans don't follow what he is or isn't doing. Only a small minority seem to be scrutinising his every move. I know a number of football fans and haven't heard one single comment about his other commitments. I'd say 95% of the fans don't actually care if he has other commitments as long as the results are good and performances positive.
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Giggs
Mar 13, 2019 9:57:45 GMT
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Post by insertname on Mar 13, 2019 9:57:45 GMT
Very interesting Giggs interview on Ellis James Feast of Football this week. He explains the use of Carrington as wanting World class facilities as he felt let down by poor facilities during most of his welsh career. Also explains that he used the last 9 games to experiment with player positions particularly Gareth and Aaron and waned to expand the pool of players available and bring through the younger players. It all seems very logical and well thought out when he explains his thought process. He also said he watched Aaron on Sunday and Raabi last night so he is getting around games He was a studio pundit on Sunday, so he watched that game on TV.
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Giggs
Mar 13, 2019 9:59:22 GMT
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Post by insertname on Mar 13, 2019 9:59:22 GMT
As it happens it doesn't appear that he does. I really want to support him, but when he comes out with "I was in Vietnam, but that gave me 5 days coaching"...... You could have spent those 5 days coaching in Wales. Teaching a Welsh kid a new turn, drawback, dink which might, just might make him good enough to play for Wales one day. Although I think that this is the most interesting comment; "The FAW knew about other commitments when I took over". This is something that I have always suspected and this is where I feel sympathy with Giggs. The FAW have always known that he was already committed to ITV England, Vietnamese Football Association, UEFA. Rather come out and say when he was appointed that he is in fact a part-time manager (on full-time wages), they have allowed this to simmer and simmer to the point where Wales fans are constantly watching what he is or isn't doing.No they're not, MOST Welsh fans don't follow what he is or isn't doing. Only a small minority seem to be scrutinising his every move. I know a number of football fans and haven't heard one single comment about his other commitments. I'd say 95% of the fans don't actually care if he has other commitments as long as the results are good and performances positive.Has that actually been the case so far?
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Giggs
Mar 13, 2019 10:00:35 GMT
Post by dai on Mar 13, 2019 10:00:35 GMT
No they're not, MOST Welsh fans don't follow what he is or isn't doing. Only a small minority seem to be scrutinising his every move. I know a number of football fans and haven't heard one single comment about his other commitments. I'd say 95% of the fans don't actually care if he has other commitments as long as the results are good and performances positive.Has that actually been the case so far? I'd say so. The only negativity I've personally come across is on this board, and a few facebook comments.
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Giggs
Mar 13, 2019 10:33:51 GMT
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Post by cadno on Mar 13, 2019 10:33:51 GMT
He said in the ejfof podcast that he knows 10/11 of his starting xi.
I think these players are nailed on to start: Hennessey, C.Roberts, Mepham, Ash, Davies, Allen, Ramsey, Brooks, Bale.
Then it's Ampadu or Smith and Vokes or T.Roberts for the remaining positions I reckon?
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Giggs
Mar 13, 2019 10:35:14 GMT
Post by richierich333 on Mar 13, 2019 10:35:14 GMT
We have a new song for the Slovakia game He’s a Manc-er?! 🤔 'You're just a Manc born in Cardiff... Manc born in Cardifff... You're just a Manc born in Cardiff' (Guantanamera)...you know the one surely!
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Post by georgetm1 on Mar 13, 2019 11:19:21 GMT
"I was in Vietnam, but that gave me 5 days coaching"
What a surprise, how is coaching kids at the other end of the planet meant to benefit us? Its all about him and his own career and not doing the job he needs to be doing to help promote the sport IN WALES.
"In South Africa they presented me as the Wales manager. That can only be good."
For who?
My view on him being a selfish bastard who only thinks about himself is ringing true, and his behaviour past and present shows me this.
The excuse for Carrington I can accept, but not his other exploits.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Mar 13, 2019 11:27:03 GMT
'You're just a Manc born in Cardiff... Manc born in Cardifff... You're just a Manc born in Cardiff' (Guantanamera)...you know the one surely! How about: Ryan Giggs a Mancer Ryan Giggs a Mancer Nah,Nah,Nah Nah,Nah,Nah. Conga tune
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Giggs
Mar 13, 2019 11:55:46 GMT
Post by richierich333 on Mar 13, 2019 11:55:46 GMT
Giggsy is the captain of our ship, of our ship Giggsy is the captain of our ship, of our ship, Giggsy is a Manc-er, Giggsy is a...
what on earth rhymes with Manc-er?
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Post by iot on Mar 13, 2019 12:38:00 GMT
Very interesting Giggs interview on Ellis James Feast of Football this week. He explains the use of Carrington as wanting World class facilities as he felt let down by poor facilities during most of his welsh career. Also explains that he used the last 9 games to experiment with player positions particularly Gareth and Aaron and waned to expand the pool of players available and bring through the younger players. It all seems very logical and well thought out when he explains his thought process. He also said he watched Aaron on Sunday and Raabi last night so he is getting around games That's a massive relief that he's saying he was just testing positions and formations in previous games. I'd assumed, given the fact the denmark games were competitive, he hadn't experimented there and feared he would persist with a 2 man midfield of ramsey and allen. With any luck, he's treated that as a successful experiment knowing not to do it ever again! I'm not sure if it's been the best way of using some of these games, I would have preferred for him to treat the denmark games in particular as full on competitive games to try and win the group. Would also have liked him to conclude the experimentation earlier in order to refine his tactical set up and personnel in the last game against denmark. As it is, we're going into slovakia unclear about how we should play. Nevertheless, I'm genuinely relieved that some of those games were treated as experiments and don't reflect how we're going to proceed going forward! Glad to hear he's been watching players, although it needs to be said that both Ramsey and Matondo (who didn't actually play at all) were playing in Manchester at the time! That might actually give more weight to the criticism that he's unwilling to go out and about to monitor players and have a specific approach re which players to monitor - it sounds more as if he waits for a welsh player to be involved in a game in manchester / nearby, and if they don't he doesn't bother.
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Post by richierich333 on Mar 13, 2019 13:01:17 GMT
I just listened to the podcast and I was not surprised when asked what his approach would be and he said 'penetration is paramount'.
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Post by alarch on Mar 13, 2019 14:51:01 GMT
When I read that Colliers Park wasn't ready and that there was a good reason for us to be training at Carrington I was quite relieved. Until I read about where the team was staying: www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/reasons-ryan-giggs-taking-wales-15965467I really wish we could focus exclusively on the football side of things - and that's all that matters in the long run. But it's hard to shift the perception that Giggs is using Wales as a stepping stone, or just plain using Wales full stop. He needs to do more to change that perception, but does he give a shit?
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Giggs
Mar 13, 2019 16:46:32 GMT
Post by insertname on Mar 13, 2019 16:46:32 GMT
Very interesting Giggs interview on Ellis James Feast of Football this week. He explains the use of Carrington as wanting World class facilities as he felt let down by poor facilities during most of his welsh career. Also explains that he used the last 9 games to experiment with player positions particularly Gareth and Aaron and waned to expand the pool of players available and bring through the younger players. It all seems very logical and well thought out when he explains his thought process. He also said he watched Aaron on Sunday and Raabi last night so he is getting around games That's a massive relief that he's saying he was just testing positions and formations in previous games. I'd assumed, given the fact the denmark games were competitive, he hadn't experimented there and feared he would persist with a 2 man midfield of ramsey and allen. With any luck, he's treated that as a successful experiment knowing not to do it ever again! I'm not sure if it's been the best way of using some of these games, I would have preferred for him to treat the denmark games in particular as full on competitive games to try and win the group. Would also have liked him to conclude the experimentation earlier in order to refine his tactical set up and personnel in the last game against denmark. As it is, we're going into slovakia unclear about how we should play. Nevertheless, I'm genuinely relieved that some of those games were treated as experiments and don't reflect how we're going to proceed going forward! Glad to hear he's been watching players, although it needs to be said that both Ramsey and Matondo (who didn't actually play at all) were playing in Manchester at the time! That might actually give more weight to the criticism that he's unwilling to go out and about to monitor players and have a specific approach re which players to monitor - it sounds more as if he waits for a welsh player to be involved in a game in manchester / nearby, and if they don't he doesn't bother. He was in a TV studio for the Arsenal match so he wasn't 'out and about' watching players on that occasion.
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Giggs
Mar 13, 2019 16:48:40 GMT
Post by insertname on Mar 13, 2019 16:48:40 GMT
When I read that Colliers Park wasn't ready and that there was a good reason for us to be training at Carrington I was quite relieved. Until I read about where the team was staying: www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/reasons-ryan-giggs-taking-wales-15965467I really wish we could focus exclusively on the football side of things - and that's all that matters in the long run. But it's hard to shift the perception that Giggs is using Wales as a stepping stone, or just plain using Wales full stop. He needs to do more to change that perception, but does he give a shit? I don't think Solskjaer needs to lose any sleep that Giggs is coming for his job any time soon. Giggs should feel fortunate to have any sort of managerial gig at all as he hasn't exactly displayed any sort of Midas touch in the same vein as Solskjaer.
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Giggs
Mar 13, 2019 17:09:25 GMT
Post by derynglas on Mar 13, 2019 17:09:25 GMT
Solskjaer seemed clueless and out of his depth at Cardiff though. Only acheived moderate success in Norway as a manager and has never won the league there. Now hes a proven genius after 3 months at Man U.Just shows how quickly things can change.
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Giggs
Mar 13, 2019 18:35:06 GMT
Post by biwmares on Mar 13, 2019 18:35:06 GMT
Solskjaer seemed clueless and out of his depth at Cardiff though. Only acheived moderate success in Norway as a manager and has never won the league there. Now hes a proven genius after 3 months at Man U.Just shows how quickly things can change. Solskjaer has a proven number 2 in Mike Phelan & from what I have read if true Sir Alex is having some input.
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Mar 13, 2019 21:27:05 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 13, 2019 21:27:05 GMT
When I read that Colliers Park wasn't ready and that there was a good reason for us to be training at Carrington I was quite relieved. Until I read about where the team was staying: www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/reasons-ryan-giggs-taking-wales-15965467I really wish we could focus exclusively on the football side of things - and that's all that matters in the long run. But it's hard to shift the perception that Giggs is using Wales as a stepping stone, or just plain using Wales full stop. He needs to do more to change that perception, but does he give a shit? I asked the players and they agreed. I tend to agree when my manager “asks” me if something’s ok. It’s ok not scouting players because I’m referred to as “Wales manager Ryan Giggs”... I’m sorry but if no ones heard of Wales after the Euros their opinion of football is invalid. Can just imagine a Vietnamese or South African child googling what Wales is and finding out it’s actually a country. They don’t know what Wales is but have come out to see the champions league trophy and turns out the guy who scored an overhead kick to win it plays for this so called Wales!! If he had any respect for Wales he’d cancel his other commitments and focus solely on us.
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Post by richierich333 on Mar 13, 2019 21:42:58 GMT
Time to change the name of the thread I reckon
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Post by alarch on Mar 13, 2019 22:03:12 GMT
Time to change the name of the thread I reckon What about "It's Wales - let's pray Giggs get 100% behind them"?
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Post by dai on Mar 13, 2019 22:21:40 GMT
Maybe all the players should stop playing for their clubs as well then? Can't be good for them having other commitments apart from us.....
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 13, 2019 22:47:51 GMT
Time to change the name of the thread I reckon Yeah, I started this thread and it was supposed to be a rallying cry but it has ended up being a daily update on whatever non-welsh stuff Giggs is doing so everyone could have another stick to beat him with. For the record, my opinion hasn't changed 'Lets get 100% behind him'
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Giggs
Mar 14, 2019 8:24:11 GMT
Post by richierich333 on Mar 14, 2019 8:24:11 GMT
Interesting in the podcast that Iwan alludes to Giggs being frustrated with non international standard players 'such as myself' but Giggs diverts this towards the hotels, training facilities etc. so as not to offend. However it was pretty clear even then, that he rightly or wrongly would seethe at teammates not being able to pass the ball 5 yards. In his defence if you look at some of the teamsheets, they were piss poor. We take it for granted having good players nowadays, we are very lucky.
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Mar 14, 2019 11:55:55 GMT
Post by manulike on Mar 14, 2019 11:55:55 GMT
Especially for zenith - EJFOF got 30' minutes interview with Ryan, online since yesterday. Not a single question about Gareth Southgate or Declan Rice ;-) Interesting to hear how impressed he is with Matt Smith and Woody ;-) www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05cmk38
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Mar 14, 2019 12:16:55 GMT
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Post by zenith on Mar 14, 2019 12:16:55 GMT
Especially for zenith - EJFOF got 30' minutes interview with Ryan, online since yesterday. Not a single question about Gareth Southgate or Declan Rice ;-) Interesting to hear how impressed he is with Matt Smith and Woody ;-) www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05cmk38 Yes I listened in the car last night. Thought he spoke well and interesting to hear his thoughts on Ramsey’s position. Will favour him in a 10 or a box to box role. Definitely not in that holding position with Allen again 😂
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Mar 14, 2019 19:28:08 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 14, 2019 19:28:08 GMT
Maybe all the players should stop playing for their clubs as well then? Can't be good for them having other commitments apart from us..... Every international player has a club team, not every international manager has other commitments. Spain had the right idea when their manager wasn’t committed to them...
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Post by richierich333 on Mar 14, 2019 19:52:21 GMT
If we qualify this thread will be embarrassing
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Giggs
Mar 14, 2019 20:22:35 GMT
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 14, 2019 20:22:35 GMT
If we qualify I doubt many will be bothered about a thread on a message board.
You can always remind us at the time though.
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