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Giggs
Sept 7, 2019 9:43:25 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Sept 7, 2019 9:43:25 GMT
All the good work done previously is being ruined at a rate of knots.
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Giggs
Sept 7, 2019 9:49:26 GMT
Post by dai on Sept 7, 2019 9:49:26 GMT
Is there anyway in hell the FAW will sack him, or maybe he will do the decent thing and step aside?
No wonder Osian jumped ship, he could foresee the shit that was about to happen.
I know I wrote on her last night we've yet to hit rock bottom, but this is still frustrating and upsetting to see.
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Giggs
Sept 7, 2019 10:12:33 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Sept 7, 2019 10:12:33 GMT
I'm right behind him.
Ready to push him out of the door
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Giggs
Sept 7, 2019 11:13:48 GMT
Post by zenith on Sept 7, 2019 11:13:48 GMT
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Post by gwernybwch on Sept 7, 2019 13:07:50 GMT
Is there anyway in hell the FAW will sack him, or maybe he will do the decent thing and step aside?No wonder Osian jumped ship, he could foresee the shit that was about to happen. I know I wrote on her last night we've yet to hit rock bottom, but this is still frustrating and upsetting to see. The FAW sacking him - and his team - just isn't going to happen. At the moment I suspect that they are in 'we can still qualify' and 'he needs time' mode. If / when we get to the position that we can't qualify they aren't collectively going to admit they made an epic balls up in appointing him. Then there is the money aspect. In sacking him, it will near bankrupt the organisation. And any money left over won't be enough to appoint a half descent Manager. As for Giggs resigning? Why would he? He earns half a million pounds a year and has about about 30 days of Welsh football commitments per year. That means that he is receiving a daily pay packet when he is swanning around Salford FC, Old Trafford, Manchester hotels and his other hobbies. Nobody in their right mind is going to give up that gig. Even if you have face the fury of Welsh people every now and again. And then there is his ego. Admitting that he is wrong just doesn't seem to form part of his personality.
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Post by pendragon on Sept 7, 2019 17:24:57 GMT
I've read that the FAW's goal is the 2022 World Cup Campaign.
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Post by manulike on Sept 7, 2019 17:34:31 GMT
I've read that the FAW's goal is the 2022 World Cup Campaign. Judging by what I have been reading today about possible scenarios to qualify for the play-offs, we are pretty much guaranteed a play-off berth, even if we end up 4th, behind Slovakia - which I seriously doubt will happen.
So, my thinking is Giggs will possibly have a shot at 2nd place, with a win v Hungary at home (which I imagine will go to pot) ... but then also get a second opportunity of a play-off.
I'd like to think that we can still make it thro :#)
#YesWeCan
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Post by pendragon on Sept 7, 2019 19:32:17 GMT
I've read that the FAW's goal is the 2022 World Cup Campaign. Judging by what I have been reading today about possible scenarios to qualify for the play-offs, we are pretty much guaranteed a play-off berth, even if we end up 4th, behind Slovakia - which I seriously doubt will happen.
So, my thinking is Giggs will possibly have a shot at 2nd place, with a win v Hungary at home (which I imagine will go to pot) ... but then also get a second opportunity of a play-off.
I'd like to think that we can still make it thro :#)
#YesWeCan
It's potentially doable but only if we can get our act together. But I haven't lost (all) hope... yet!
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Giggs
Sept 7, 2019 19:56:52 GMT
Post by insertname on Sept 7, 2019 19:56:52 GMT
As much as I think he was let down by the players last night I would hope that if he falls seriously short we have a plan B up our sleeves for any play off. We would be fortunate indeed to get another shot at it and we would surely have enough time to get someone in wouldn't we?
As for the play off itself, what is the format? There are 4 teams per nations league band that play off, right? is it two teams from those 4 that go through after playing one of the other 4 over two legs? Or is it only 1 team from the 4? ie, the playoff winner has to effectively get through a semi final and then final tie?
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Post by manulike on Sept 7, 2019 20:02:31 GMT
As much as I think he was let down by the players last night I would hope that if he falls seriously short we have a plan B up our sleeves for any play off. We would be fortunate indeed to get another shot at it and we would surely have enough time to get someone in wouldn't we? As for the play off itself, what is the format? There are 4 teams per nations league band that play off, right? is it two teams from those 4 that go through after playing one of the other 4 over two legs? Or is it only 1 team from the 4? ie, the playoff winner has to effectively get through a semi final and then final tie? I believe the predicted scenario is us facing one of the Irelands ;-(( And its a one-legged semi - at the home of the higher ranked side - Cardiff, if it is the one of the Irish teams. And a one-off final - not entirely sure where that will be played.
Hopefully sleepy will be along to clarify ;-)
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Giggs
Sept 7, 2019 20:08:29 GMT
Post by pendragon on Sept 7, 2019 20:08:29 GMT
Is it essentially a two-legged game against the same side (ie. one of the Irelands/ Bosnia-Herzegovina)?
Does the "final" mean we face another team IF we get through the semi? 🤯
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Post by sleepy on Sept 7, 2019 20:18:13 GMT
As much as I think he was let down by the players last night I would hope that if he falls seriously short we have a plan B up our sleeves for any play off. We would be fortunate indeed to get another shot at it and we would surely have enough time to get someone in wouldn't we? As for the play off itself, what is the format? There are 4 teams per nations league band that play off, right? is it two teams from those 4 that go through after playing one of the other 4 over two legs? Or is it only 1 team from the 4? ie, the playoff winner has to effectively get through a semi final and then final tie? I believe the predicted scenario is us facing one of the Irelands ;-(( And its a one-legged semi - at the home of the higher ranked side. And a one-off final - not entirely sure where that will be played. Hopefully sleepy will be along to clarify ;-) Correct again. The semi final is seeded (one leg) and, we are expected to be at hone, probably to one of the Irelands. The final is a one leg game at any one of the 4 semi finalists. The draw for the venue will take place in advance of these games, I'm not 100% sure when this will take place but will check it out.
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Giggs
Sept 7, 2019 20:40:28 GMT
Post by pendragon on Sept 7, 2019 20:40:28 GMT
So, if we (somehow 😲) made it through the semi, would we then face the winner of the other League B play-off semi in the final?
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Giggs
Sept 7, 2019 20:45:56 GMT
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Post by sleepy on Sept 7, 2019 20:45:56 GMT
So, if we (somehow 😲) made it through the semi, would we then face the winner of the other League B play-off semi in the final? Yep
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Giggs
Sept 7, 2019 20:48:18 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Sept 7, 2019 20:48:18 GMT
I've read that the FAW's goal is the 2022 World Cup Campaign. Judging by what I have been reading today about possible scenarios to qualify for the play-offs, we are pretty much guaranteed a play-off berth, even if we end up 4th, behind Slovakia - which I seriously doubt will happen.
So, my thinking is Giggs will possibly have a shot at 2nd place, with a win v Hungary at home (which I imagine will go to pot) ... but then also get a second opportunity of a play-off.
I'd like to think that we can still make it thro :#)
#YesWeCan
Getting to the play off is one thing, but would anyone have any faith in us winning them? We have to get 2nd. If we stick with Giggs we won’t get 2nd. If we make the playoffs Giggs has never won against an equal or better team. Slovakia might be the exception to the rule.
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Giggs
Sept 7, 2019 20:49:35 GMT
Post by manulike on Sept 7, 2019 20:49:35 GMT
So, if we (somehow 😲) made it through the semi, would we then face the winner of the other League B play-off semi in the final? Yep Imagine the sheer joy on the face of our oscardelta A trip to Belfast and then to Cardiff ;-))
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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 7, 2019 20:53:39 GMT
I've read that the FAW's goal is the 2022 World Cup Campaign. You’ve read it? Ahh right must be true then. We are second seeds, we should be finishing second in the group. Anything less is a failure.
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Post by pendragon on Sept 7, 2019 21:29:04 GMT
Judging by what I have been reading today about possible scenarios to qualify for the play-offs, we are pretty much guaranteed a play-off berth, even if we end up 4th, behind Slovakia - which I seriously doubt will happen.
So, my thinking is Giggs will possibly have a shot at 2nd place, with a win v Hungary at home (which I imagine will go to pot) ... but then also get a second opportunity of a play-off.
I'd like to think that we can still make it thro :#)
#YesWeCan
Getting to the play off is one thing, but would anyone have any faith in us winning them? We have to get 2nd. If we stick with Giggs we won’t get 2nd. If we make the playoffs Giggs has never won against an equal or better team. Slovakia might be the exception to the rule. Not the way we are playing now, I wouldn't. I'm torn about the situation though to be honest. There must be a decent manager out there who looks at our crop of players and wonders how he could get the best out of them, and what could be achieved. On the flip side, I wonder whether halfway through the qualifying campaign is the best time to replace a manager - could it do more harm than good? Unless you get a really experienced manager with a good track record, is it worth the risk? However unlikely it may seem now, he could come good. Not saying he will, but you never know. Look at Coleman. It's hard to keep the faith when you cannot see an end product in sight and I'm certainly not seeing it at the moment. Even if it comes, it could do so at the expense of our current qualifying campaign. Some (very) slight positives to take from the management side of things last night, is he changed things up from the last two games. He was decisive in making changes after the equaliser - bringing on Johnny Williams, Ben Davies and Sam Vokes in quick succession. The negatives I saw is that, we seem to be lacking a strategy, no link-up between midfield, defence and attack and no cohesion. If fit, Ben Davies starts over Taylor. I still live in hope (just).
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Post by pendragon on Sept 7, 2019 21:30:52 GMT
I've read that the FAW's goal is the 2022 World Cup Campaign. You’ve read it? Ahh right must be true then. We are second seeds, we should be finishing second in the group. Anything less is a failure. I hope you don't mind me asking, but did I say that it "must" be true? Pointing out the statement does not necessarily mean I agree with it either.
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Giggs
Sept 7, 2019 21:34:51 GMT
Post by oscardelta on Sept 7, 2019 21:34:51 GMT
Imagine the sheer joy on the face of our oscardelta A trip to Belfast and then to Cardiff ;-))
I wouldn't wish a trip to Belfast to see NI play on my worst enemy.
Cauldron of hate best describes it.
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Giggs
Sept 7, 2019 21:38:10 GMT
Post by oscardelta on Sept 7, 2019 21:38:10 GMT
I've read that the FAW's goal is the 2022 World Cup Campaign. You’ve read it? Ahh right must be true then. We are second seeds, we should be finishing second in the group. Anything less is a failure. Serbia were 4th seeds in WC Qualifying group, they qualified automatically.
Problem with seeding is Wales frigged it in the past by not playing any friendlies which came back to bite it.
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Giggs
Sept 7, 2019 21:40:08 GMT
Post by pendragon on Sept 7, 2019 21:40:08 GMT
Imagine the sheer joy on the face of our oscardelta A trip to Belfast and then to Cardiff ;-))
I wouldn't wish a trip to Belfast to see NI play on my worst enemy.
Cauldron of hate best describes it.
Ouch!
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Giggs
Sept 7, 2019 22:00:13 GMT
Post by oscardelta on Sept 7, 2019 22:00:13 GMT
I wouldn't wish a trip to Belfast to see NI play on my worst enemy.
Cauldron of hate best describes it.
Ouch! Lots of our supporters (and now friends) are from Belfast, when they describe being at a game where players walking in at half time covered by spittle from the crowd because they were Catholic (NI v Scotland) and the sectarian abuse that came with it I can understand.
It is not a surprise that most players born Catholic in NI pretty much always seek to declare for ROI. The malevolence has not changed in the slightest. I would hate to play there, in truth if drawn against them it is one I would probably sit out, unless bussed in and out, even then I wouldn't trust PSNI not to ensure route was divulged beforehand. I would not bring my kids to it and will bring them everywhere else.
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Giggs
Sept 7, 2019 22:00:31 GMT
Post by majorraglan on Sept 7, 2019 22:00:31 GMT
I was very disappointed with last nights match even though we picked up 3 points. It was a very young team which lacked experience, there were a few positives and some negatives and 1 or 2 of the players had very poor games.
Going back, I would have been annoyed with Giggs not turning up as a player, but that’s history and we need to focus on what’s happening now and what will happen over the coming days, months and years. I don’t get annoyed that Giggs doesn’t jump up and down, kick bottles over in a rage, scream at the ref because we are all different and we go about our jobs in different ways. I don't kick off and scream when I am in work.
I was annoyed last night when things weren’t working out, we were just go through the motions and we ended up almost dropping points when we should have had the game by the scruff. Giggs should have had it sorted from the off.
The FAW have to take some responsibility here, would you appoint someone with limited experience to manage the most valuable aspect of your multi million pound business? If we don’t have a Welshman who fits the bill look elsewhere, get the right man for the job. Success breeds success which in football means generating more cash, if the FAW don’t sort things out our “brand” will loose value.
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Post by SLAMMER on Sept 7, 2019 22:13:08 GMT
when Chris Coleman was appointed he had a terrible record as a manager and he went on to have a terrible record for a while as Welsh Manager. Then it went a bit well and then it went really well and then it went a bit bad then he left to further his career which ended his career.
my point is when the FAW appointed Coleman they got lucky, really lucky and i supported that. Their history and our history coincicedes with what we are a small nation with limited resources and we hit the jackpot once.
we've a decent structure and players now but that doesn't mean we will ever reach the heights we did in 2016. Of course its not impossible but its not a gaurantee.
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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 7, 2019 22:19:01 GMT
It’s not a guarantee but qualifying for Euro tournaments by finishing in the top two out of five should be a realistic expectation. Especially with this crop of players.
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Post by oscardelta on Sept 7, 2019 22:30:22 GMT
It’s not a guarantee but qualifying for Euro tournaments by finishing in the top two out of five should be a realistic expectation. Especially with this crop of players. In truth yes.
I would have expected you to have qualified for WC2018 because of the quality of players you had BUT hang over from Euro's was the key here.
You may get another qualifying campaign out of Bale but even then it is tight.
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Giggs
Sept 8, 2019 0:49:14 GMT
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Post by insertname on Sept 8, 2019 0:49:14 GMT
As much as I think he was let down by the players last night I would hope that if he falls seriously short we have a plan B up our sleeves for any play off. We would be fortunate indeed to get another shot at it and we would surely have enough time to get someone in wouldn't we? As for the play off itself, what is the format? There are 4 teams per nations league band that play off, right? is it two teams from those 4 that go through after playing one of the other 4 over two legs? Or is it only 1 team from the 4? ie, the playoff winner has to effectively get through a semi final and then final tie? I believe the predicted scenario is us facing one of the Irelands ;-(( And its a one-legged semi - at the home of the higher ranked side - Cardiff, if it is the one of the Irish teams. And a one-off final - not entirely sure where that will be played.
Hopefully sleepy will be along to clarify ;-) Seriously?! FFS, I really wouldn’t want to face a rejuvenated ROI after the WC debacle nor Nothern Ireland. I feel we have a better team on paper but they will blow us away by force of will alone like the Irish did in Cardiff. Mind you you would imagine games against those two would be scrappy and unstructured which is about the only environment I can imagine Giggs tactics thriving in!
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Giggs
Sept 8, 2019 0:56:03 GMT
Post by pendragon on Sept 8, 2019 0:56:03 GMT
Or, it could end in penalties!
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Giggs
Sept 8, 2019 0:57:10 GMT
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Post by insertname on Sept 8, 2019 0:57:10 GMT
It’s not a guarantee but qualifying for Euro tournaments by finishing in the top two out of five should be a realistic expectation. Especially with this crop of players. In all fairness we don’t exactly have a stellar record of finishing in the top two. That being said I keep harking back to it but I can’t help but think we will majorly rue our inability to get to Russia. That was as good as an opportunity as we could have wished for and I wouldn’t have said that it was taken from us by quality opposition. We contributed heavily to our own downfall. When I look at the shambles that this campaign has become I can’t help but look at the opportunity of WCQ 2018 and think “we never really knew what we had til it was gone” :/
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