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Post by iot on Nov 20, 2019 23:14:38 GMT
I didn't want giggs to get the job because I couldn't see any qualities in him that would make a good manager - no charisma, he never comes across as being particularly insightful in his punditry, press conferences etc. He seemed to be quite a dull, uninspiring character who only had the big name wowfactor to offer, but that would inevitably fade quickly after a few losses. Most of the decisions made up until recently seemed to confirm this - getting out-thought twice against denmark by playing a two-man midfield against a top class midfield 3, trying a dozen different combinations in defence and attack right up to the last four games, playing lawrence against hungary after his abysmal showing against croatia (in which mepham had played well), and the complete lack of obvious style of play and coherency in 90% of our games until belarus. That to me confirmed that he didn't know what he was doing, and I still think there have been numerous and very avoidable mistakes there.
However, he's also made several calls which I would not have advocated for and the likes of coleman probably wouldn't have done, and they've really paid off. By luck or by judgement, bringing moore into the team has made a massive difference. Even chucking dan james in so early was a big call and I doubt coleman would have done it. He's given so many youngsters so many opportunities which will stand us in really good stead going forward. He's finally got us playing to a clear gameplan.
Finishing 2nd in the group, ahead of hungary and slovakia, is a really big achievement. All of this has got me thinking that I may have been wrong about giggs and he might be a much sharper, deep-thinking character than you'd assume. He definitely deserves a fair bit of love from the fanbase after what he's achieved so we should definitely chant his name (please not ryan giggs' sh*****g army!). He also deserves to have a go at the next campaign after this achievement.
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Post by pendragon on Nov 20, 2019 23:55:52 GMT
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Nov 21, 2019 6:23:55 GMT
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 21, 2019 6:23:55 GMT
Apparently the players are behind him, that’s good enough for me.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 21, 2019 9:31:11 GMT
Best defence in the group even! Surprising considering we have been raving about our attacking options, and how we have a lack of options at the back.
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Post by richierich333 on Nov 21, 2019 10:03:17 GMT
Doesn't matter who was right and who was wrong but i was right. There's nothing like modesty, and that was nothing like it, lol. ''I am the most modest person you will EVER meet'' (Donald J Trump)
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Nov 21, 2019 10:17:43 GMT
Post by richierich333 on Nov 21, 2019 10:17:43 GMT
I don't know why everyone keeps saying we look shaky at the back, we have conceded hardly any goals! We must have one of the least goals conceded in the whole of the qualifiers list.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:48:15 GMT
Post by vader on Nov 21, 2019 10:48:15 GMT
Giggs is just never going to convince some people, I’ve seen some still hoping, after last night, that he leaves so someone else can manage at the Euros. It’s nuts. It’s like he slept with everyone’s wife. For me I don’t see any longevity to his reign. No disrespect to him but who would doubt that he would leave on the eve of the finals if United came calling? I also have doubts that against some of the sharper operators in the game he would be found out That isn’t to detract from what he has achieved though and as I said I was one of the only people to defend him after that Azerbaijan home game. But we have so much potential at the moment and ideally imo we should be showing that the proper respect by having an older veteran of the international scene in charge as opposed to someone who is cutting his teeth and could leave at any minute. I’m not waving any Giggs out banners far from it, but I think it might work out for the best if he were to voluntarily leave after Euro 2020 and the FAW use some of the millions from qualifying by going for one of the best managers in the game for the WC campaign while we still have Bale, Ramsey and Allen available and youngsters like James and Brooks to supplement them. You make some good points, but then, how many other managers wouldn't jump ship if Man United came calling? For a start it's about £8m a year pay increase and that's without the other benefits of joining one of the biggest clubs in the world. And the only reason United come calling is if Ole fails, and if that happens I doubt they go with the relatively untested former player route again. Giggs' commitment gets called into question because he missed a whole host of international friendlies in his career, but when you look at the rest of his career, he couldn't have been more committed. He's played over 1,000 matches at the top level of football, he's clearly a very committed professional. Another issue with attracting a seasoned manager to guide us is the salary the FAW offer for the position. Our pay structure gives us two options, young upstart or a poor, older manager. Fans were calling for his head the moment he took the job, the sensible thing to do was to wait and see how he did. Now that he's qualified, there's still some hoping he leaves, why not see how we do at the Euros first?
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Nov 21, 2019 10:58:19 GMT
Post by TheWelshWay on Nov 21, 2019 10:58:19 GMT
For me I don’t see any longevity to his reign. No disrespect to him but who would doubt that he would leave on the eve of the finals if United came calling? I also have doubts that against some of the sharper operators in the game he would be found out That isn’t to detract from what he has achieved though and as I said I was one of the only people to defend him after that Azerbaijan home game. But we have so much potential at the moment and ideally imo we should be showing that the proper respect by having an older veteran of the international scene in charge as opposed to someone who is cutting his teeth and could leave at any minute. I’m not waving any Giggs out banners far from it, but I think it might work out for the best if he were to voluntarily leave after Euro 2020 and the FAW use some of the millions from qualifying by going for one of the best managers in the game for the WC campaign while we still have Bale, Ramsey and Allen available and youngsters like James and Brooks to supplement them. You make some good points, but then, how many other managers wouldn't jump ship if Man United came calling? For a start it's about £8m a year pay increase and that's without the other benefits of joining one of the biggest clubs in the world. And the only reason United come calling is if Ole fails, and if that happens I doubt they go with the relatively untested former player route again. Giggs' commitment gets called into question because he missed a whole host of international friendlies in his career, but when you look at the rest of his career, he couldn't have been more committed. He's played over 1,000 matches at the top level of football, he's clearly a very committed professional. Another issue with attracting a seasoned manager to guide us is the salary the FAW offer for the position. Our pay structure gives us two options, young upstart or a poor, older manager. Fans were calling for his head the moment he took the job, the sensible thing to do was to wait and see how he did. Now that he's qualified, there's still some hoping he leaves, why not see how we do at the Euros first? Surely with another Euro windfall (minimum 9.5 million). we can afford to increase our salary offering in the future (appreciate a lot will be spent on the Euros itself - albeit i suspect this one will be much cheaper as there will be less teams in the country we're playing) .
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Post by manulike on Nov 21, 2019 11:45:51 GMT
Apparently the players are behind him, that’s good enough for me. Yes. Phil Cadden was tweeting about that. Great news.
Also, I like the attitude of Ford. And just for the record ... #YES.WE.CAN
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Post by texan on Nov 21, 2019 12:48:33 GMT
Bar that opening China Cup match and the RoI home game, Giggs' tenure was a mishmash of clashing, often incoherent ideas, also hampered by (in my opinion) needless changes and an exponential increase in player numbers of varying quality. To me it looked as though he was throwing shit at the wall hoping something would stick, but was actually only hampering the genuine quality that already existed in the side and destabilising the harmony we had. As I said at the time, small tweaks are needed, not sweeping changes.
By the summer we looked further away from a cogent side than ever. He kept saying that he had a plan and was trying/struggling to get the players to adhere to it and was disappointed with our performances. In my mind that didn't really wash as we already knew what the group could achieve, but we were going backwards. September was 'better' if not unremarkable, Slovakia away was also an improvement again. But in my mind the real change happened v Croatia, having gone down and fought back to take a point off them, you could see the belief in the players' faces and that sense of achievement that they'd fought and come through it, the old guard and the new were developing that sense of trust.
Fair play Giggs, his calls now seem to be working and the players are responding to him. I'm looking forward again now to see how far he can take this development with the sheer potential of talent we have coming through.
Well done!
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 21, 2019 13:00:16 GMT
Apparently the players are behind him, that’s good enough for me. Yes. Phil Cadden was tweeting about that. Great news.
Also, I like the attitude of Ford. And just for the record ... #YES.WE.CAN
I think the FAW hired Giggs with the eye on the World Cup to be honest. The Euro campaign was seen as an opportunity to give caps to the new generation and qualifying for the Euros will be seen as a massive plus, either way the experience would have stood us in good stead to have a real go at getting to a World Cup. It will be much harder getting to a World CUp, however, a good showing at the Euros could see us being a pot 1 side for the group draw and give us a massive chance.
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Post by nwcherries on Nov 21, 2019 13:31:42 GMT
I was critical of Giggs, but I don't think you can underestimate the impact that not having Bale (mentally), Ramsey, Brooks and others unavailable for a lot of these matches must have had. I do think there was an element of throwing s*** at the wall and hoping it sticks, and also I don't think he's a good enough coach to get you consistently playing this slick passing game he was trying early on.
However, he does seem to have adapted the style of play to one that gets results, and he's also uncovered some pretty decent squad options who could play a part in the future. There was a lot of criticism of players like Moore & Morell at the start, but I think they've both stepped up very well from what I've seen. One of MY biggest criticisms of the team was the lack of a good striker (for me Vokes ain't it); Giggs tried Moore and seems to have addressed that problem pretty well, considering he's not exactly a clear pick on league form.
Basically I think Giggs has been a bit underrated in how he's dealt with the absence of key players and found ways to work around it; by introducing new players to the squad that probably wouldn't have been thought of as being up to the challenge. Still big question marks over his tactical nous, but he's done a decent enough job overall.
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Nov 21, 2019 14:08:38 GMT
Post by richierich333 on Nov 21, 2019 14:08:38 GMT
I was critical of Giggs, but I don't think you can underestimate the impact that not having Bale (mentally), Ramsey, Brooks and others unavailable for a lot of these matches must have had. I do think there was an element of throwing s*** at the wall and hoping it sticks, and also I don't think he's a good enough coach to get you consistently playing this slick passing game he was trying early on. However, he does seem to have adapted the style of play to one that gets results, and he's also uncovered some pretty decent squad options who could play a part in the future. There was a lot of criticism of players like Moore & Morell at the start, but I think they've both stepped up very well from what I've seen. One of MY biggest criticisms of the team was the lack of a good striker (for me Vokes ain't it); Giggs tried Moore and seems to have addressed that problem pretty well, considering he's not exactly a clear pick on league form. Basically I think Giggs has been a bit underrated in how he's dealt with the absence of key players and found ways to work around it; by introducing new players to the squad that probably wouldn't have been thought of as being up to the challenge. Still big question marks over his tactical nous, but he's done a decent enough job overall. To be fair Moore has been playing well for Wigan without scoring. It looked like it was starting to affect him but he stepped up and scored the pen before the international break so hopefully MOORE to follow.
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Nov 22, 2019 11:42:20 GMT
Post by pendragon on Nov 22, 2019 11:42:20 GMT
Apparently the players are behind him, that’s good enough for me. Yes. Phil Cadden was tweeting about that. Great news.
Also, I like the attitude of Ford. And just for the record ... #YES.WE.CAN
Perhaps that is Giggs' ambition and suggests he will see out the contract for four years. He surely knows that if he were to get us to a World Cup, that would be a monumental achievement on his resumé.
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Nov 22, 2019 11:48:59 GMT
Post by pendragon on Nov 22, 2019 11:48:59 GMT
I was critical of Giggs, but I don't think you can underestimate the impact that not having Bale (mentally), Ramsey, Brooks and others unavailable for a lot of these matches must have had. I do think there was an element of throwing s*** at the wall and hoping it sticks, and also I don't think he's a good enough coach to get you consistently playing this slick passing game he was trying early on. However, he does seem to have adapted the style of play to one that gets results, and he's also uncovered some pretty decent squad options who could play a part in the future. There was a lot of criticism of players like Moore & Morell at the start, but I think they've both stepped up very well from what I've seen. One of MY biggest criticisms of the team was the lack of a good striker (for me Vokes ain't it); Giggs tried Moore and seems to have addressed that problem pretty well, considering he's not exactly a clear pick on league form. Basically I think Giggs has been a bit underrated in how he's dealt with the absence of key players and found ways to work around it; by introducing new players to the squad that probably wouldn't have been thought of as being up to the challenge. Still big question marks over his tactical nous, but he's done a decent enough job overall. I have to say I am very impressed with some games where we've carved out a win or a draw without key players. As a team and a nation, we always seem to roll out the stats if we know we're going to be missing Bale or Ramsey or both. Now, while it's a concern, we don't seem to dwell on it so much. There is an expectation that we can and therefore should overcome the opposition regardless. Getting results against the likes of Croatia at home and Slovakia away without someone as pivotal as Ramsey is actually massive. And as time moves on and our younger players acquire more experience, we can hopefully come to rely on them to step up more during key absences.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 22, 2019 12:38:14 GMT
I was critical of Giggs, but I don't think you can underestimate the impact that not having Bale (mentally), Ramsey, Brooks and others unavailable for a lot of these matches must have had. I do think there was an element of throwing s*** at the wall and hoping it sticks, and also I don't think he's a good enough coach to get you consistently playing this slick passing game he was trying early on. However, he does seem to have adapted the style of play to one that gets results, and he's also uncovered some pretty decent squad options who could play a part in the future. There was a lot of criticism of players like Moore & Morell at the start, but I think they've both stepped up very well from what I've seen. One of MY biggest criticisms of the team was the lack of a good striker (for me Vokes ain't it); Giggs tried Moore and seems to have addressed that problem pretty well, considering he's not exactly a clear pick on league form. Basically I think Giggs has been a bit underrated in how he's dealt with the absence of key players and found ways to work around it; by introducing new players to the squad that probably wouldn't have been thought of as being up to the challenge. Still big question marks over his tactical nous, but he's done a decent enough job overall. I have to say I am very impressed with some games where we've carved out a win or a draw without key players. As a team and a nation, we always seem to roll out the stats if we know we're going to be missing Bale or Ramsey or both. Now, while it's a concern, we don't seem to dwell on it so much. There is an expectation that we can and therefore should overcome the opposition regardless. Getting results against the likes of Croatia at home and Slovakia away without someone as pivotal as Ramsey is actually massive. And as time moves on and our younger players acquire more expeeience, we can hopefully come to rely on them to step up more during key absences. We love to drink etc... You're a poet and don't even know it. Great rhyme!
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Nov 22, 2019 12:43:37 GMT
Post by pendragon on Nov 22, 2019 12:43:37 GMT
Tbf, the phrase was stolen from the last campaign!
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Nov 22, 2019 13:18:26 GMT
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Nov 22, 2019 13:18:26 GMT
ALL HAIL THE KING OUR RYAN.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 22, 2019 19:26:34 GMT
Tbf, the phrase was stolen from the last campaign! I know, doesn't quite have same ring to it as France did. How about? Same tune - We could be here We could be there We've all got our passports How much is the fair? Alternative last line - This set up's unfair.
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Post by manulike on Nov 22, 2019 20:30:10 GMT
There is about 6 or 7 minutes of Robbie Savage talking to Giggsy on his programme this morning, Quite interesting, and Giggs again seems to come across both modest as well as quite witty. Its about half way thro here - www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p07vrtp6
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Post by dai on Nov 22, 2019 21:00:42 GMT
Were there any chants for him Tuesday? Shame if not. Didnt hear any, but then again I didnt hear wales, chickens, stoke so maybe im deaf
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 22, 2019 22:19:01 GMT
I don't know why everyone keeps saying we look shaky at the back, we have conceded hardly any goals! We must have one of the least goals conceded in the whole of the qualifiers list. i thought we played well at the back and as game went on we did not sit back which was good... second half i beleived they would no score... campaign starts with not conceding and we are one of the best
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Nov 23, 2019 0:01:59 GMT
Post by oscardelta on Nov 23, 2019 0:01:59 GMT
You make some good points, but then, how many other managers wouldn't jump ship if Man United came calling? For a start it's about £8m a year pay increase and that's without the other benefits of joining one of the biggest clubs in the world. And the only reason United come calling is if Ole fails, and if that happens I doubt they go with the relatively untested former player route again. Been a clear supporter of Giggs from the start and there is zero chance Man Utd will ever come calling in current circumstances.
This would be trusting a £1/2 billion business to a rookie manager even if he got to Qatar 2022 would have less than a full premiership season of games in 4 yrs.
If he manages at club level and has success then maybe but realistically he will never be manager at Man Utd at least in next 5-6 years.
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Post by vader on Nov 23, 2019 8:50:37 GMT
There is about 6 or 7 minutes of Robbie Savage talking to Giggsy on his programme this morning, Quite interesting, and Giggs again seems to come across both modest as well as quite witty. Its about half way thro here - www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p07vrtp6 I think his relative dullness is a camera thing, I met him recently at a sponsor event where he was the main attraction and he was very funny, charismatic and friendly in person, especially to the group of school kids that were there. No sign of him being shy or introverted as he comes across on screen.
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Post by hooky on Nov 23, 2019 14:39:23 GMT
As I said earlier he has delivered. Not only that but he delivered while making massive changes to personel / the way we played the game. He blooded an incredible number of youngsters and took big risks.
I appreciate what Coleman did but look at how defensive he made us. Russia and Belgium showed we could play more attacking football but come the world cup qualifiers, Coleman reverted to an extremely cautious / defensive mindset and we failed. Lets be honest it was negative and a bit boring, besides the odd bits of magic. We also know that Gunter would still be playing today if Coleman was still picking the team!
Whatever you think of Giggs, the football we are playing now is far more exciting to watch. It leaves us more vulnerable defensively and maybe the big teams can exploit it big time, but his approach to playing the game is exciting / refreshing.
Finally, when we reflect on the personal weaknesses of Giggs, lets remember he did not have an easy period growing up. His dad was a bad egg and left his mum to bring him up. A person's upbringing is so important in their development. When we reflect how quiet he is then there is nothing wrong with that - introverts can be as effective as extraverts and can be far more talented. Giggs is probably far more intelligent than everyone gives him credit for. Hopefully he will be judged on achievements and the brave development of so many youngsters. His passion for Wales was there to see on Tuesday. It meant so much to him and you could see how much his players, especially Joe Allen and Aaron Ramsey, respect him. Thank you Mr Giggs, the players and the coaches. You have made a nation very proud!
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Post by welshiron on Nov 25, 2019 19:42:17 GMT
Well done Giggs got the job done and delivered what was expected
Got some decisions wrong Vaulks, J Lawrence and early formations.
Got some right Lockyer and Moore niether of whom I would of selected.
End result is a summer to look forward too.
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Nov 29, 2019 17:08:21 GMT
Happy 46th birthday to our leader Ryan. Have a great day & don't take any notice of the criticism by armchair tacticians. We believe in you.
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Post by manulike on Nov 30, 2019 23:45:32 GMT
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Post by manulike on Jan 10, 2020 20:21:27 GMT
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 11, 2020 21:39:27 GMT
Watching the Lions tour is Giggs' top bucket list sporting event outside of football. That's gonna send a lot of people into a meltdown!
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