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Giggs
Nov 19, 2019 22:04:59 GMT
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Post by insertname on Nov 19, 2019 22:04:59 GMT
He’s done alright to qualify, but there is a lot more potential there than there was under Coleman and better depth too. Personally I’m kinda hoping Man United get rid of Solskjaer and go for Giggs while his stock is high and we get a more experienced manager in. I worry he could still be out thought by a more experienced manager. To think that’s probably not going to be a popular view after all the stick he was getting after Azerbaijan at home
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Post by barry on Nov 19, 2019 22:05:22 GMT
Got things spot on again.
What a turnaround.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 19, 2019 22:11:05 GMT
My expectation with Giggs was to qualify, nothing less was good enough, is it strange I don’t really mind how we do in the Euros? I’m just there to enjoy the journey from this point on.
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Post by dai on Nov 19, 2019 22:25:21 GMT
The man’s a genius.
No in all seriousness. Credit were its due, he bloody turned it around.
Nice to see him a bit emotional at the end. Shows it does mean something to him.
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Post by underwood on Nov 19, 2019 23:10:47 GMT
Well done Ryan Giggs, you have proved many wrong, including me. He deserves much credit.
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Post by pendragon on Nov 19, 2019 23:44:30 GMT
Humble pie swallowed.
Credit to the squad and credit to Giggs.
Can't believe we're off to our second summer tournament in four years! 😁🤗
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Post by gaz on Nov 20, 2019 0:14:07 GMT
I’ll admit I criticised and happily hold my hands up to he turned it round in the most unlikely fashion. Has plucked out a championship striker who has transformed the way we attack. Had the balls to stick by morell who plays for Lincoln who hasn’t put a foot wrong. Tom Lockyer too. I think he’s earned back the respect personally an I think I was wrong about Giggs. #togetherstronger🏴
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Post by manulike on Nov 20, 2019 0:55:36 GMT
Humble. Pie. A lot of it ...
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Giggs
Nov 20, 2019 5:53:26 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 20, 2019 5:53:26 GMT
Lovely breakfast of HUMBLE PIE!!
There, WELL DONE RYAN GIGGS!!
Certainly turned things around in the last 3 games and unearthed an uncut diamond in Kieffer Moore. I'd seen him a couple of times on QUEST highlights, and wondered why the hell Giggs had gone to Barnsley too watch a game. We all know why now.
I'll never be his No1 fan, but credit where it's due and nice to hear some humility in his after match comments crediting the players NOT HIMSELF.
Llongyfarchiadau.
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Post by Counting Crows on Nov 20, 2019 8:30:06 GMT
I doubted the appointment of Speed. I doubted the appointment of Coleman. I really doubted the appointment of Giggs.
I know nothing! 😂
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Post by eppingblue1 on Nov 20, 2019 8:46:45 GMT
I think he'll be judged by his achievements. The first time we've not bottled the opportunity front of our fans ever. No doubt if he'd had better availability of Ramsey we'd have been qualified sometime ago. Bale isn't the player he was but he's still in any welsh team on merit. Allen confounds his club form and was absolutely brilliant last night. I predict Dan James will be a sensation in the euros, I'm astonished by the progress he's made in the last 12 months.
Going back to this performance. If this was a World cup group then under the old system it wouldn't have been good enough to reach the play offs as one of the best placed second teams. Under the new nations league format we'd be in one of the 3 - 4 team play off groups. If Ramsey had played more I think we'd have topped the group. Just a single goal in either of games against Croatia would have seen us level with them om points and maybe winning the group.
Going forward we're going to have the most crucial set of friendlies we've ever faced. There's still work to be done in getting us functioning better and where does David Brookes fit into this team ? We're tantalisingly close to being a very good outfit. Individually we're better than we were in 2016, the depth of squad is much better. If we can perform as a team as well as they did, then why shouldn't we shock the football again.
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Nov 20, 2019 9:11:47 GMT
Post by TheWelshWay on Nov 20, 2019 9:11:47 GMT
Did i doubt him at times - yes. But I always said I'd judge him at the end of the campaign and we're off on an European Tour - just going to enjoy the Euros now with no expectations
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Nov 20, 2019 9:39:23 GMT
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Post by cadno on Nov 20, 2019 9:39:23 GMT
I'm still not big a fan, but I have to admit, there's been an improvement in the last 4 games, since Kieffer Moore's arrival really.
He's done things his own way and he's got us qualified, so fair play.
The fact that the qualifiers were played within 8 months and not over 2 years has probably forced him to be a bit more bold and ruthless too. Shoutout to Osian Roberts who knew it was probably time for him to move on.
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Post by TheWelshWay on Nov 20, 2019 9:50:53 GMT
I'm still not big a fan, but I have to admit, there's been an improvement in the last 4 games, since Kieffer Moore's arrival really. He's done things his own way and he's got us qualified, so fair play. The fact that the qualifiers were played within 8 months and not over 2 years has probably forced him to be a bit more bold and ruthless too. Shoutout to Osian Roberts who knew it was probably time for him to move on. Maybe this was the catalyst the same the Serbia game was for Coleman - knew it was time for him to be his own man and forget about the way thing used to be done
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Post by alarch on Nov 20, 2019 10:12:13 GMT
It's almost as if the expression "fortune favours the brave" was made for Giggs. On the one hand it remains a matter of fact that Giggs selected Vaulks to start away to Croatia and James Lawrence against Hungary after costing us against Croatia. Brave (foolish in the case of Vaulks) decisions that backfired. But then Giggs selected Moore and Morrell, when few would have, gave Dan James his first cap as a starter against Slovakia and brought in Rodon with experienced alternatives available. Giggs has taken big risks, which, when all is said and done, have paid off. For that he has to claim a huge amount of credit.
Having blooded so many youngsters we now stand to benefit come the Euro finals themselves. We won't be wondering whether Smith or Morrell can do a job if required, we know they can. So Giggs gets kudos for that too.
Bottom line, to the victor the spoils.
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Post by alarch on Nov 20, 2019 10:15:48 GMT
I'm still not big a fan, but I have to admit, there's been an improvement in the last 4 games, since Kieffer Moore's arrival really. He's done things his own way and he's got us qualified, so fair play. The fact that the qualifiers were played within 8 months and not over 2 years has probably forced him to be a bit more bold and ruthless too. Shoutout to Osian Roberts who knew it was probably time for him to move on. Maybe this was the catalyst the same the Serbia game was for Coleman - knew it was time for him to be his own man and forget about the way thing used to be done I don't buy that, because it implies that Osian Roberts was holding him back in some way. We still had the wacky selections (Lawrence as a 9) for the Azeri game at home after Osian's departure. I think the wake up call for Giggs was that Azerbaijan game and he knew he had to come up with a different solution for solving the striking position. And in Moore he struck gold. That, and placing round pegs in round holes in all positions.
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Nov 20, 2019 10:27:56 GMT
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Post by cadno on Nov 20, 2019 10:27:56 GMT
Maybe this was the catalyst the same the Serbia game was for Coleman - knew it was time for him to be his own man and forget about the way thing used to be done I don't buy that, because it implies that Osian Roberts was holding him back in some way. We still had the wacky selections (Lawrence as a 9) for the Azeri game at home after Osian's departure. I think the wake up call for Giggs was that Azerbaijan game and he knew he had to come up with a different solution for solving the striking position. And in Moore he struck gold. That, and placing round pegs in round holes in all positions. I can't disagree with that. O.R didn't hide the fact that he was disappointed not to be manager, I reckon he found it hard not being able to have as much of an influence as he liked, and when the opportunity of a really good job came along, he decided it was best to move on. I dont think there's too much to read into actually. And I agree its the Azerbaijan home game that made Giggs realise he needed to change things.
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Nov 20, 2019 10:35:31 GMT
Post by iot on Nov 20, 2019 10:35:31 GMT
It's almost as if the expression "fortune favours the brave" was made for Giggs. On the one hand it remains a matter of fact that Giggs selected Vaulks to start away to Croatia and James Lawrence against Croatia after costing us against Croatia. Brave (foolish in the case of Vaulks) decisions that backfired. But then Giggs selected Moore and Morrell, when few would have, gave Dan James his first cap as a starter against Slovakia and brought in Rodon with experienced alternatives available. Giggs has taken big risks, which, when all is said and done, have paid off. For that he has to claim a huge amount of credit. Having blooded so many youngsters we now stand to benefit come the Euro finals themselves. We won't be wondering whether Smith or Morrell can do a job if required, we know they can. So Giggs gets kudos for that too. Bottom line, to the victor the spoils. Perfectly summarised
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Post by yanto on Nov 20, 2019 12:55:44 GMT
Well done all of you Giggs slaters who have the balls to finally give him some credit. Still emotional today need a lie down.......
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Post by richierich333 on Nov 20, 2019 13:02:03 GMT
Doesn't matter who was right and who was wrong but i was right.
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Giggs
Nov 20, 2019 13:04:38 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 20, 2019 13:04:38 GMT
Doesn't matter who was right and who was wrong but i was right. There's nothing like modesty, and that was nothing like it, lol.
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Post by harry on Nov 20, 2019 17:38:25 GMT
Will all those who slated him before a ball was kicked, and continud to do so after a load of meaningless games be apologising in person or in writing this time next week? Evening lads, all those who argued with me back then feel free to apologise and find a new sport
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Nov 20, 2019 17:44:57 GMT
I reckon all the Giggs supporters on here should be awarded 20 points immediately for the Euro 2020 competition tickets.
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Nov 20, 2019 17:57:08 GMT
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Post by insertname on Nov 20, 2019 17:57:08 GMT
I thought the criticism after the Azerbaijan game was bang out of order when our players couldn’t even do the basics, Giggs can’t pass the bloody ball for them.
That being said does anybody see Giggs as Wales long term manager?
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Giggs
Nov 20, 2019 18:27:12 GMT
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Post by harry on Nov 20, 2019 18:27:12 GMT
I thought the criticism after the Azerbaijan game was bang out of order when our players couldn’t even do the basics, Giggs can’t pass the bloody ball for them. That being said does anybody see Giggs as Wales long term manager? Why wouldnt you? He's just got us to a tournament when for large parts of the campaign we have had players missing. Give him a ten year deal.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 20, 2019 20:23:11 GMT
Remember when everyone said Giggs out after we lost a friendly vs Albania. Remember when everyone said Giggs out after we won vs Azerbaijan. I hope that some of the people calling for his head during these times reflect on what being reactionary, and quick to write us off actually accomplishes.
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Post by superunknown on Nov 20, 2019 20:43:17 GMT
Got to be honest, after Hungary away I didn't think he was the man for the job, you just couldn't see how he was going to string a decent run of wins together with the games we had left. However, credit where it's due what a remarkable turnaround it's been and am more than happy to swallow some humble pie.
Now for a big test at against some more quality competition. Hopefully his risk taking and tactical ideas continue to pay off.
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Nov 20, 2019 20:45:51 GMT
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Post by cadno on Nov 20, 2019 20:45:51 GMT
Remember when everyone said Giggs out after we lost a friendly vs Albania. Remember when everyone said Giggs out after we won vs Azerbaijan. I hope that some of the people calling for his head during these times reflect on what being reactionary, and quick to write us off actually accomplishes. True, uve got to give managers time. I can't wait for Carl Robinson to get the job though
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Nov 20, 2019 22:25:26 GMT
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Post by vader on Nov 20, 2019 22:25:26 GMT
Giggs is just never going to convince some people, I’ve seen some still hoping, after last night, that he leaves so someone else can manage at the Euros. It’s nuts.
It’s like he slept with everyone’s wife.
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Nov 20, 2019 22:42:18 GMT
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Post by insertname on Nov 20, 2019 22:42:18 GMT
Giggs is just never going to convince some people, I’ve seen some still hoping, after last night, that he leaves so someone else can manage at the Euros. It’s nuts. It’s like he slept with everyone’s wife. For me I don’t see any longevity to his reign. No disrespect to him but who would doubt that he would leave on the eve of the finals if United came calling? I also have doubts that against some of the sharper operators in the game he would be found out That isn’t to detract from what he has achieved though and as I said I was one of the only people to defend him after that Azerbaijan home game. But we have so much potential at the moment and ideally imo we should be showing that the proper respect by having an older veteran of the international scene in charge as opposed to someone who is cutting his teeth and could leave at any minute. I’m not waving any Giggs out banners far from it, but I think it might work out for the best if he were to voluntarily leave after Euro 2020 and the FAW use some of the millions from qualifying by going for one of the best managers in the game for the WC campaign while we still have Bale, Ramsey and Allen available and youngsters like James and Brooks to supplement them.
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