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Post by impeachabull on Oct 31, 2019 9:28:48 GMT
I think a first-team call up might be a bit much, but to play devil's advocate. These were our defenders for Slovakia/ Croatia:
Chris Gunter (FB), Ashley Williams (CB), Ben Davies (FB/CB), Neil Taylor (FB), Connor Roberts (FB), Tom Lockyer (CB), Joe Rodon (CB), Regan Poole (CB), and Ethan Ampadu (DM/CB).
As we know, Rodon's out with Mepham replacing him. James Lawrence looks likely to miss the games through injury. So would you prefer Poole or Neco in the squad? Poole's only been involved in one game for MK Dons since the international break when he played DM.
IMO neither will see any game time but Neco is more likely to be involved in the squad than Poole going forward.
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 31, 2019 9:39:23 GMT
I watched the full game and I'd have him in the seniors now. He looks ready to go.
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Post by TheWelshWay on Oct 31, 2019 10:07:14 GMT
Spoke to a die hard Liverpool mate and they've been hearing very good things about him for a while - performs consistently for their under 23s and only a matter of time for him to get a chance - problem for him is the competition in that area - TTA still young and Hoever is also highly rated.
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Post by johnoster on Oct 31, 2019 10:16:15 GMT
TTA is being talked about as playing further forward, not as a right back.
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Post by welshiron on Oct 31, 2019 10:30:02 GMT
I watched the game and think a few games for the u21s and see how he does.
Could be competition for Robert's soon which is good as I'm not as convinced with Roberts as some.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 31, 2019 11:24:57 GMT
After last in night I’m torn on whether he should be promoted to seniors. Hypothetically, let’s consider a scenario whereby Roberts is injured for this next one.
Is Gunter going to come in and start for us given that he has had no game time? Especially since Giggs has recently been favouring players that are playing? I can’t see that happening. It feels like Gunter is in the squad at the moment as more of a ceremonial deal, he’s probably very positive for the dressing room too. Therefore, I don’t think Gunter will be shifted out of the squad, however, I also don’t think Gunter would come in for Roberts in the event of an injury. Therefore we do need someone else in the squad that can replace Roberts. I know Mepham has played RB for Bournemouth at times, so in desperate need of cover I’m sure he could do a job there. Not ideal though. And with this in mind, Neco coming into the extended squad might be the answer at the moment. If he can play a full 90 like he did yesterday, I’m sure he’d be capable of playing 90 for us if needed.
I definitely wouldn’t want to rush him into the senior unnecessarily, however, it seems like the needs of the seniors at the moment may mean that we need him.
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Post by zenith on Oct 31, 2019 11:43:55 GMT
For the final two games this year it should be experience included over youth I.e. Gunter, Williams etc.
However, from March onwards, if players aren’t playing there is no need to include them anymore. We have an array of talent coming through. If a gameless Gunter continues to be picked over perhaps a Neco Williams getting game time somewhere that’s when questions need to be asked. But I doubt it’ll come to that anyway.
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Post by impeachabull on Oct 31, 2019 12:21:32 GMT
Assuming we pick 8 defenders for the full squad, and Rodon and Lawrence are out, it's surely just a straight choice between Regan or Neco? Is there anyone I'm forgetting?
If the other seven are Gunter, Williams, Davies, Taylor, Roberts, Mepham and Lockyer then you've got 3 natural CBs and 4 natural FBs.
I guess it makes sense to make your fourth choice a CB but since Ben and Ethan can play there I'd be pretty happy for Neco to get the call-up.
I very much doubt either of them will get any game-time if they're selected so it's probably not a huge deal.
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Post by cadno on Oct 31, 2019 12:35:59 GMT
James Chester possibly?
I think Morgan Fox has been playing for Sheffield Wednesday.
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Post by welshiron on Oct 31, 2019 14:14:42 GMT
Think some people are getting carried away after what was a glorified reserve game.
Looks a great prospect but defensively has plenty to learn (not surprisingly at his age).
Let him get some games with the u21s orcthe u19s songs can continue to develop
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Oct 31, 2019 14:56:41 GMT
Think some people are getting carried away after what was a glorified reserve game. Looks a great prospect but defensively has plenty to learn (not surprisingly at his age). Let him get some games with the u21s orcthe u19s songs can continue to develop agree, let the lad learn and build on from the game. he will have to go out on loan and hope he chooses the right one . |
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Post by impeachabull on Oct 31, 2019 16:39:51 GMT
James Chester possibly? I think Morgan Fox has been playing for Sheffield Wednesday. Weirdly I completely forgot about James. Scrap what I said, I'd definitely call him up if he's at all fit (I know he was on the bench yesterday but I think I read they thought he was still a week away)! It would be great to have a character like him in the squad. |
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Post by iot on Oct 31, 2019 17:04:34 GMT
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 31, 2019 17:51:43 GMT
Think some people are getting carried away after what was a glorified reserve game. Looks a great prospect but defensively has plenty to learn (not surprisingly at his age). Let him get some games with the u21s orcthe u19s songs can continue to develop Who starts instead of Roberts if he gets injured in your opinion? Also disagree about the reserve game comment, Arsenal had many senior pros playing including Ozil. |
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Post by welshiron on Oct 31, 2019 18:57:35 GMT
Think some people are getting carried away after what was a glorified reserve game. Looks a great prospect but defensively has plenty to learn (not surprisingly at his age). Let him get some games with the u21s orcthe u19s songs can continue to develop Who starts instead of Roberts if he gets injured in your opinion? Also disagree about the reserve game comment, Arsenal had many senior pros playing including Ozil. Gunter 100% |
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Post by bluephill on Oct 31, 2019 19:30:22 GMT
Woodburn wore 58 for for Liverpool. Neco wears the number 76. Coincidence??
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 31, 2019 20:40:06 GMT
Who starts instead of Roberts if he gets injured in your opinion? Also disagree about the reserve game comment, Arsenal had many senior pros playing including Ozil. Gunter 100% Despite having no minutes this season? |
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Post by bluephill on Oct 31, 2019 21:21:26 GMT
I’d have no qualms whatsoever about playing Gunter. He’s one of the most experienced international defenders in the world and that experience is vital away from home against the likes of Azerjabaaahn.
He’s a top pro and a naturally fit player anyway and I’m sure he will have been keeping it that way at Reading.
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Post by richierich333 on Nov 1, 2019 7:38:27 GMT
Assuming we pick 8 defenders for the full squad, and Rodon and Lawrence are out, it's surely just a straight choice between Regan or Neco? Is there anyone I'm forgetting? If the other seven are Gunter, Williams, Davies, Taylor, Roberts, Mepham and Lockyer then you've got 3 natural CBs and 4 natural FBs. I guess it makes sense to make your fourth choice a CB but since Ben and Ethan can play there I'd be pretty happy for Neco to get the call-up. I very much doubt either of them will get any game-time if they're selected so it's probably not a huge deal. Andy Hughes at Preston still uncapped. Can play CB or LB i think. |
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Post by richierich333 on Nov 1, 2019 7:40:15 GMT
I’d have no qualms whatsoever about playing Gunter. He’s one of the most experienced international defenders in the world and that experience is vital away from home against the likes of Azerjabaaahn. He’s a top pro and a naturally fit player anyway and I’m sure he will have been keeping it that way at Reading. Difference between fitness and match sharpness. U23 matches are a world away from international football. |
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Post by johnoster on Nov 1, 2019 8:16:20 GMT
Ampadu does 60 minutes without even playing U23 games.
Sure Gunter could manage 70.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 1, 2019 10:22:09 GMT
Ampadu does 60 minutes without even playing U23 games. Sure Gunter could manage 70. Thing is though Ampadu has been getting senior minutes for us, training with the first team at Leipzig. He also had a pre-season with Chelsea where he played games so I’d imagine he’s in better condition than Gunter. As far as I’m aware Gunter didn’t play at all in pre-season and hasn’t had any senior minutes on the pitch this season. A big risk to throw him in against Azerbaijan in my opinion, if we had to. |
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Post by impeachabull on Nov 1, 2019 10:31:38 GMT
Ampadu does 60 minutes without even playing U23 games. Sure Gunter could manage 70. Thing is though Ampadu has been getting senior minutes for us, training with the first team at Leipzig. He also had a pre-season with Chelsea where he played games so I’d imagine he’s in better condition than Gunter. As far as I’m aware Gunter didn’t play at all in pre-season and hasn’t had any senior minutes on the pitch this season. A big risk to throw him in against Azerbaijan in my opinion, if we had to. Also, and I'm genuinely a massive Ampadu fan, the number of mistakes he makes has increased significantly as games go on. He's looked absolutely exhaused when he's been withdrawn between 50 and 60 minutes in every game. There's only so many players you can start who can't last a full game. |
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Post by johnoster on Nov 1, 2019 10:45:10 GMT
3 I think.
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Post by impeachabull on Nov 1, 2019 10:50:15 GMT
But then you've got no tactical substitutions to make if you're withdrawing Ampadu, Gunter, and maybe Rambo after 50 minutes. Plus you're screwed by any further injuries in the next 40 minutes. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 1, 2019 10:53:08 GMT
Thing is though Ampadu has been getting senior minutes for us, training with the first team at Leipzig. He also had a pre-season with Chelsea where he played games so I’d imagine he’s in better condition than Gunter. As far as I’m aware Gunter didn’t play at all in pre-season and hasn’t had any senior minutes on the pitch this season. A big risk to throw him in against Azerbaijan in my opinion, if we had to. Also, and I'm genuinely a massive Ampadu fan, the number of mistakes he makes has increased significantly as games go on. He's looked absolutely exhaused when he's been withdrawn between 50 and 60 minutes in every game. There's only so many players you can start who can't last a full game. Yeah definitely agree Ampadu’s performance levels do seem to drop around the hour mark. I’m sure when he starts playing regularly he will be fine, but carrying too many players like this through the 90 is dangerous. |
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Post by johnoster on Nov 1, 2019 11:01:33 GMT
Who knows how long he would have lasted against Croatia though, had he not been assaulted?
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Post by impeachabull on Nov 1, 2019 11:03:41 GMT
He's been withdrawn in every single game early though. His average minutes in the qualifiers are 52, and he's always looked exhausted.
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Post by welshiron on Nov 5, 2019 12:22:14 GMT
Not with the u21s
WHY?
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Post by impeachabull on Nov 5, 2019 12:30:12 GMT
Maybe just trying to maximise the amount of players who get games? Cameron Coxe can start for the U21s and Neco for the U19s. Plus the U19s games are arguably more important. The U21s defeat in Moldova means they're very unlikely to do anything in that group. |
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