Neco Williams

[CrackityJones]

[iot]

Did his cause a lot of good tonight. Could have made an even bigger name for himself had he finished off a couple of his chances, but he was really creative and a threat all game. There's a very good chance he'll get that 4th full back spot ahead of taylor or gunter.

[onceinalifetime]

Feb 4, 2020 21:46:28 GMT marsvolta said:

The way I look at it is, if he is good enough to regularly be on the bench for Liverpool, he’s good enough to be on the bench for us.

Spot on

[allezlesrouges]

Every time I watch him I get more and more excited. If he gets some more games I honestly think he could be pushing for the starting XI soon.

His attacking play is exactly what Giggs seeks in his fullbacks, and I think he's a dead cert for a call up now!

[allezlesrouges]

Highlights of the game, AKA Neco highlight reel...

[larslagerback]

Feb 4, 2020 21:58:47 GMT manulike said:

If Neco gets named MoM for this, its totally by default, as the entire team performance was poor and toothless.

Don't be silly.

[welshiron]

He needs a game in March.

[conwy10]

Feb 4, 2020 22:15:57 GMT iot said:

Did his cause a lot of good tonight. Could have made an even bigger name for himself had he finished off a couple of his chances, but he was really creative and a threat all game. There's a very good chance he'll get that 4th full back spot ahead of taylor or gunter.

He did well, and ahead of Taylor maybe, but I don’t like the idea of taking 2 inexperienced right backs to the Euros. Some games just require an old head to step in. Not sure if he can play left back but would be happy to see him as an option if he can. I think we need to take Gunter to the Euros though.

[iot]

Yep, Neco, Gunter, and Connor have all played left back

[marsvolta]

Feb 5, 2020 19:17:36 GMT conwy10 said:

Feb 4, 2020 22:15:57 GMT iot said:

Did his cause a lot of good tonight. Could have made an even bigger name for himself had he finished off a couple of his chances, but he was really creative and a threat all game. There's a very good chance he'll get that 4th full back spot ahead of taylor or gunter.

He did well, and ahead of Taylor maybe, but I don’t like the idea of taking 2 inexperienced right backs to the Euros. Some games just require an old head to step in. Not sure if he can play left back but would be happy to see him as an option if he can. I think we need to take Gunter to the Euros though.

I’d say Gunter, Connor Roberts and Davies are nailed on and the rest are fighting for the fourth full back slot.

Other than Williams, Who is the other inexperienced full back you are talking about?

[conwy10]

Feb 5, 2020 20:05:13 GMT marsvolta said:

Feb 5, 2020 19:17:36 GMT conwy10 said:

He did well, and ahead of Taylor maybe, but I don’t like the idea of taking 2 inexperienced right backs to the Euros. Some games just require an old head to step in. Not sure if he can play left back but would be happy to see him as an option if he can. I think we need to take Gunter to the Euros though.

I’d say Gunter, Connor Roberts and Davies are nailed on and the rest are fighting for the fourth full back slot.

Other than Williams, Who is the other inexperienced full back you are talking about?

Connor Roberts. I know he’s our first choice right back and without looking probably has about 15 caps, but I’d still consider him relatively inexperienced. We got a good opportunity to blend potential with highly experienced players in every position. Rare opportunity for us.

[quetzal]

Feb 5, 2020 11:11:04 GMT welshiron said:

He needs a game in March.

Yes massive for him. F.A. Cup also

[allezlesrouges]

Feb 5, 2020 20:05:13 GMT marsvolta said:

Feb 5, 2020 19:17:36 GMT conwy10 said:

He did well, and ahead of Taylor maybe, but I don’t like the idea of taking 2 inexperienced right backs to the Euros. Some games just require an old head to step in. Not sure if he can play left back but would be happy to see him as an option if he can. I think we need to take Gunter to the Euros though.

I’d say Gunter, Connor Roberts and Davies are nailed on and the rest are fighting for the fourth full back slot.

Other than Williams, Who is the other inexperienced full back you are talking about?

Agreed. My view is that Taylor was out of favour with Giggs for a while, worked his way back by putting in the minutes on the pitch for Villa, then came back in against Azerbaijan and made a bad mistake, so I wouldn't be surprised if Giggs is looking for alternatives there.

The reason I think Neco is likely going to be that fourth spot is;

1) There is no obvious LB behind Davies at the moment, therefore Gunter could be the answer now that he is getting minutes.
2) Neco's delivery is different from anything we currently have, and I think Giggs will look at the fact we will have Moore up front and be keen to use Neco's crossing ability. 
3) If an experienced head is needed at RB then Neco can cover LB too.

[marsvolta]

Feb 5, 2020 21:29:04 GMT conwy10 said:

Feb 5, 2020 20:05:13 GMT marsvolta said:

I’d say Gunter, Connor Roberts and Davies are nailed on and the rest are fighting for the fourth full back slot.

Other than Williams, Who is the other inexperienced full back you are talking about?

Connor Roberts. I know he’s our first choice right back and without looking probably has about 15 caps, but I’d still consider him relatively inexperienced. We got a good opportunity to blend potential with highly experienced players in every position. Rare opportunity for us.

Oh right, yeah I suppose he is.

As you say though, it’s hard to consider him as inexperienced when he’s got 15 or so caps,is first choice and has a few seasons behind him.

[richierich333]

Feb 5, 2020 21:58:08 GMT allezlesrouges said:

Feb 5, 2020 20:05:13 GMT marsvolta said:

I’d say Gunter, Connor Roberts and Davies are nailed on and the rest are fighting for the fourth full back slot.

Other than Williams, Who is the other inexperienced full back you are talking about?

Agreed. My view is that Taylor was out of favour with Giggs for a while, worked his way back by putting in the minutes on the pitch for Villa, then came back in against Azerbaijan and made a bad mistake, so I wouldn't be surprised if Giggs is looking for alternatives there.

The reason I think Neco is likely going to be that fourth spot is;

1) There is no obvious LB behind Davies at the moment, therefore Gunter could be the answer now that he is getting minutes.
2) Neco's delivery is different from anything we currently have, and I think Giggs will look at the fact we will have Moore up front and be keen to use Neco's crossing ability. 
3) If an experienced head is needed at RB then Neco can cover LB too.

There is no obvious LB other than Davies but I think we need to move on from Gunter now.  Not just him but Vokes, HRK, King, Taylor etc as well. Good servants, good memories but we need to look forward now, not backwards.  Williams has played LB before for Wales u19 so worth trying in a friendly.  Also Fox and Hughes worth a look as they are specialist LB's.

[alarch]

Feb 5, 2020 21:58:08 GMT allezlesrouges said:

Feb 5, 2020 20:05:13 GMT marsvolta said:

I’d say Gunter, Connor Roberts and Davies are nailed on and the rest are fighting for the fourth full back slot.

Other than Williams, Who is the other inexperienced full back you are talking about?

Agreed. My view is that Taylor was out of favour with Giggs for a while, worked his way back by putting in the minutes on the pitch for Villa, then came back in against Azerbaijan and made a bad mistake, so I wouldn't be surprised if Giggs is looking for alternatives there.

The reason I think Neco is likely going to be that fourth spot is;

1) There is no obvious LB behind Davies at the moment, therefore Gunter could be the answer now that he is getting minutes.
2) Neco's delivery is different from anything we currently have, and I think Giggs will look at the fact we will have Moore up front and be keen to use Neco's crossing ability. 
3) If an experienced head is needed at RB then Neco can cover LB too.

Good post, but I'm not sure about Gunter nor Williams' credentials as left backs. If you wanted an utility full-back who can play either side then Richards is the one with a proven track record for Wales. My picks would be Davies, Roberts, Richards and Williams, although I don't know whether Richards' form merits selection.

[Deleted]

Feb 5, 2020 23:45:18 GMT marsvolta said:

Feb 5, 2020 21:29:04 GMT conwy10 said:

Connor Roberts. I know he’s our first choice right back and without looking probably has about 15 caps, but I’d still consider him relatively inexperienced. We got a good opportunity to blend potential with highly experienced players in every position. Rare opportunity for us.

Oh right, yeah I suppose he is.

As you say though, it’s hard to consider him as inexperienced when he’s got 15 or so caps,is first choice and has a few seasons behind him.

45 games in League Two in the 15/16 season. He's been around senior football quite a while now. 

[iot]

Feb 6, 2020 11:31:50 GMT alarch said:

Feb 5, 2020 21:58:08 GMT allezlesrouges said:

Agreed. My view is that Taylor was out of favour with Giggs for a while, worked his way back by putting in the minutes on the pitch for Villa, then came back in against Azerbaijan and made a bad mistake, so I wouldn't be surprised if Giggs is looking for alternatives there.

The reason I think Neco is likely going to be that fourth spot is;

1) There is no obvious LB behind Davies at the moment, therefore Gunter could be the answer now that he is getting minutes.
2) Neco's delivery is different from anything we currently have, and I think Giggs will look at the fact we will have Moore up front and be keen to use Neco's crossing ability. 
3) If an experienced head is needed at RB then Neco can cover LB too.

Good post, but I'm not sure about Gunter nor Williams' credentials as left backs. If you wanted an utility full-back who can play either side then Richards is the one with a proven track record for Wales. My picks would be Davies, Roberts, Richards and Williams, although I don't know whether Richards' form merits selection.

I think you have a bit of a blindspot with Jazz alarch. Yes, he's been good in two or three games for us and he was also good in two or three games after coming back into the fold for cardiff earlier this season. But after time he's shown at Cardiff that he's weak defensively. I haven't watched the games, but reading reports he's been responsible for a good 3-4 goals over a 7-8 game period. 

[gogdownsouth]

Is Adam Matthews in with a shout of a call up in the friendlies? 14 league appearances for Charlton this season and started and finished 12 of their last 15 league games too.

[fiveattheback]

Feb 6, 2020 11:31:50 GMT alarch said:

Feb 5, 2020 21:58:08 GMT allezlesrouges said:

Agreed. My view is that Taylor was out of favour with Giggs for a while, worked his way back by putting in the minutes on the pitch for Villa, then came back in against Azerbaijan and made a bad mistake, so I wouldn't be surprised if Giggs is looking for alternatives there.

The reason I think Neco is likely going to be that fourth spot is;

1) There is no obvious LB behind Davies at the moment, therefore Gunter could be the answer now that he is getting minutes.
2) Neco's delivery is different from anything we currently have, and I think Giggs will look at the fact we will have Moore up front and be keen to use Neco's crossing ability. 
3) If an experienced head is needed at RB then Neco can cover LB too.

Good post, but I'm not sure about Gunter nor Williams' credentials as left backs. If you wanted an utility full-back who can play either side then Richards is the one with a proven track record for Wales. My picks would be Davies, Roberts, Richards and Williams, although I don't know whether Richards' form merits selection.

On his current form Richards shouldn't be anywhere near the squad

[alarch]

Feb 6, 2020 13:25:42 GMT iot said:

Feb 6, 2020 11:31:50 GMT alarch said:

Good post, but I'm not sure about Gunter nor Williams' credentials as left backs. If you wanted an utility full-back who can play either side then Richards is the one with a proven track record for Wales. My picks would be Davies, Roberts, Richards and Williams, although I don't know whether Richards' form merits selection.

I think you have a bit of a blindspot with Jazz alarch. Yes, he's been good in two or three games for us and he was also good in two or three games after coming back into the fold for cardiff earlier this season. But after time he's shown at Cardiff that he's weak defensively. I haven't watched the games, but reading reports he's been responsible for a good 3-4 goals over a 7-8 game period. 

Perhaps you're right iot, and perhaps he's lost what he had (although a whoscored rating of 6.56 is decent). But he was good to excellent in all the games he's played for us, often in important games. The ability to perform when it counts should carry a lot of weight. If it didn't Kieffer Moore wouldn't have a prayer of going to the forthcoming tournament.

[fiveattheback]

Feb 6, 2020 14:00:19 GMT alarch said:

Feb 6, 2020 13:25:42 GMT iot said:

I think you have a bit of a blindspot with Jazz alarch. Yes, he's been good in two or three games for us and he was also good in two or three games after coming back into the fold for cardiff earlier this season. But after time he's shown at Cardiff that he's weak defensively. I haven't watched the games, but reading reports he's been responsible for a good 3-4 goals over a 7-8 game period. 

Perhaps you're right iot, and perhaps he's lost what he had (although a whoscored rating of 6.56 is decent). But he was good to excellent in all the games he's played for us, often in important games. The ability to perform when it counts should carry a lot of weight. If it didn't Kieffer Moore wouldn't have a prayer of going to the forthcoming tournament.

There was a case for picking Richards when Gunter wasn't playing, but that isn't the case anymore

[iot]

Jazz doesn't have much of a case going for him. If we want a technically better option than gunter/taylor, I would argue Williams has a stronger case. Club form isn't immaterial. I can only remember Jazz having two really good games for us - belgium and cyprus. I can vaguely remember a few other half-decent performances, but nothing particularly that stands out so let's not exaggerate his contribution. There's a very good chance, given his club form, if he had a longer run of games for us rather than the one-off appearances to date, the same defensive weaknesses would become apparent.

[gogdownsouth]

www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-neco-williams-giggs-southgate-17701818

[Deleted]

Feb 6, 2020 16:10:04 GMT gogdownsouth said:

www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-neco-williams-giggs-southgate-17701818

Uh oh their u20s manager was in the stands time to panic.

[andrewj40]

England have reece james, Arnold and bissaka who are all 22 and under. He might be a good option for England at left back. Wales have taken plenty of English born players over the years. Would wales really begrudge England doing it to wales for only the second time?

[CrackityJones]

Feb 6, 2020 16:56:25 GMT andrewj40 said:

England have reece james, Arnold and bissaka who are all 22 and under. He might be a good option for England at left back. Wales have taken plenty of English born players over the years. Would wales really begrudge England doing it to wales for only the second time?

Troll alert

[wirralwelsh]

I think Williams will see all the players ahead of him on the England queue and realise quickly that's not a good career option. There are a lot of young granny rulers coming through in to our squad now so would be ironic if we lost maybe our most promising native talent in the other direction but can't see it happening.

[allezlesrouges]

Feb 6, 2020 11:31:50 GMT alarch said:

Feb 5, 2020 21:58:08 GMT allezlesrouges said:

Agreed. My view is that Taylor was out of favour with Giggs for a while, worked his way back by putting in the minutes on the pitch for Villa, then came back in against Azerbaijan and made a bad mistake, so I wouldn't be surprised if Giggs is looking for alternatives there.

The reason I think Neco is likely going to be that fourth spot is;

1) There is no obvious LB behind Davies at the moment, therefore Gunter could be the answer now that he is getting minutes.
2) Neco's delivery is different from anything we currently have, and I think Giggs will look at the fact we will have Moore up front and be keen to use Neco's crossing ability. 
3) If an experienced head is needed at RB then Neco can cover LB too.

Good post, but I'm not sure about Gunter nor Williams' credentials as left backs. If you wanted an utility full-back who can play either side then Richards is the one with a proven track record for Wales. My picks would be Davies, Roberts, Richards and Williams, although I don't know whether Richards' form merits selection.

Very true, a big fan of Jazz whenever he has pulled on a Cymraeg shirt. He'll certainly have a case if he continues playing for Cardiff. 

[walesgolfmadrid]

Of course the England U20's was at the game, most of Liverpool's squad were English and under 20.

Neco's Welsh and will play for us no doubt, but if he's eligible for those lot then it'll just guarantee his selection in March if nothing else.