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Post by iot on Feb 13, 2020 21:22:21 GMT
All that said, you can't trust a fucking word most footballers say. Jack Grealish was playing GAA & appearing for all Ireland's youth teams, Declan Rice was "Up the RA", both preaching their Irishness before turning coat. Perhaps the Paddies heads are turned by the English coin easier than our lot? Neco's connections to Wales are indisputably stronger than Grealish or Rice to Ireland, but all the badge-kissing, "I love it here" etc. is a load of shite unless they're bound by contract. Cynical, but very true! |
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Post by robin1864 on Feb 14, 2020 3:17:53 GMT
All that said, you can't trust a fucking word most footballers say. Jack Grealish was playing GAA & appearing for all Ireland's youth teams, Declan Rice was "Up the RA", both preaching their Irishness before turning coat. Perhaps the Paddies heads are turned by the English coin easier than our lot? Neco's connections to Wales are indisputably stronger than Grealish or Rice to Ireland, but all the badge-kissing, "I love it here" etc. is a load of shite unless they're bound by contract. Cynical, but very true! Always weird how international football plays out. They probably thought they had Zaha/Iwobi, and Januzaj was much ado about nothing. I guess there's some level of disconnect with English-educated Irish lads, but English-educated Welsh lads like James and Brooks and folks who've lived not far over the border like myself have grown up in an environment that wouldn't endear them to the English cause. "Wales are shit, when did they last win the World Cup?" & diatribes on how it'd "be a shame Giggs/Bale would never qualify for a major tournament because they're not English" (  ) would be the norm, so it baffles me as to why they think Welsh people would ever want to play for them (unless they're a massive weirdo like Rob Jones, of course) |
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Post by richierich333 on Feb 14, 2020 8:34:15 GMT
Always weird how international football plays out. They probably thought they had Zaha/Iwobi, and Januzaj was much ado about nothing. I guess there's some level of disconnect with English-educated Irish lads, but English-educated Welsh lads like James and Brooks and folks who've lived not far over the border like myself have grown up in an environment that wouldn't endear them to the English cause. "Wales are shit, when did they last win the World Cup?" & diatribes on how it'd "be a shame Giggs/Bale would never qualify for a major tournament because they're not English" ( ) would be the norm, so it baffles me as to why they think Welsh people would ever want to play for them (unless they're a massive weirdo like Rob Jones, of course) Ian Walker the goalie was qualified too wasn't he? No one ever mentions him. His dad Mike was Welsh the old Norwich manager. |
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Post by quetzal on Feb 15, 2020 5:18:07 GMT
Lets choose England and get zero Caps because of Trent. Doesn´t make sense
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Post by hooky on Feb 15, 2020 15:20:12 GMT
Does anyone know his family / how Welsh they feel?
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Post by jbt95 on Feb 16, 2020 11:43:18 GMT
Does anyone know his family / how Welsh they feel? He's not anglo Welsh though, he was born in Wrexham according to wiki so I assume he lived there/near there and went to school etc? |
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Post by hooky on Feb 16, 2020 11:49:16 GMT
Yes but presumably so was Rob Jones! His mum was Welsh and he was born in Wrexham at a time we had Rush, Hughes, etc. Would be interested if anyone has any insight into why he decided on England.
To be fair we don't usually lose out on a very good player with strong Welsh links. Shawcross should be used as an example - he threw his lot in with England - got one cap with England during which he got humiliated by Sweden's star and his career went downhill ever since! It was at a time when we were desperate for centre back and were playing a short full back from Cardiff at centre back, who turned out to be an alcoholic!
Hope that cap was worth it!
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Post by hooky on Feb 16, 2020 12:14:23 GMT
You have to question the people running the U19 and U21 teams - its a bit amateurish that someone like Neco was kept in the U19 instead of being promoted to the U21 a couple of weeks ago. Little things like that can rub young egos up the wrong way sometimes.
Hopefully he plays in the March friendlies and this speculation will be behind us.
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Post by jbt95 on Feb 16, 2020 12:14:40 GMT
Yes but presumably so was Rob Jones! His mum was Welsh and he was born in Wrexham at a time we had Rush, Hughes, etc. Would be interested if anyone has any insight into why he decided on England. To be fair we don't usually lose out on a very good player with strong Welsh links. Shawcross should be used as an example - he threw his lot in with England - got one cap with England during which he got humiliated by Sweden's star and his career went downhill ever since! It was at a time when we were desperate for centre back and were playing a short full back from Cardiff at centre back, who turned out to be an alcoholic! Hope that cap was worth it! Rob Jones was never in the Welsh set up and we hadn't qualified and done well at a major tournament four years previous and about to go to another! |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Feb 16, 2020 12:33:42 GMT
It's a good point that now playing for Cymru seems to offer you a better chance of playing tournament football than playing for England. I also think the media scrutiny playing for England must play a part. Any mistake and you become the next villain for the press to berate, whereas the love and appreciation we shower our players with must be far more alluring.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 13:07:05 GMT
You have to question the people running the U19 and U21 teams - its a bit amateurish that someone like Neco was kept in the U19 instead of being promoted to the U21 a couple of weeks ago. Little things like that can rub young egos up the wrong way sometimes. Hopefully he plays in the March friendlies and this speculation will be behind us. The last round of u19s fixtures were for qualification to the elite round (next month), which we accomplished. The u21s stand very little chance of qualifying for the Euros from their group including Germany and Belgium. There was little to gain by promoting him to face Moldova and Bosnia for those games when we have two right backs in the u21s on their last campaign at that age group, who are both on the fringes of EFL sides in Coxe and Lewis. There were discussions but I'm glad in this case we left the lad in his age group to play games with his regular teammates. Not something we've always done (see Dan James going to the seniors and not even dressing for a match "for the experience" and missing his last ever u21s-qualified game... and then getting dropped for his next Swans game). That's amateurish. |
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Post by iot on Feb 16, 2020 15:01:54 GMT
Yes but presumably so was Rob Jones! His mum was Welsh and he was born in Wrexham at a time we had Rush, Hughes, etc. Would be interested if anyone has any insight into why he decided on England. To be fair we don't usually lose out on a very good player with strong Welsh links. Shawcross should be used as an example - he threw his lot in with England - got one cap with England during which he got humiliated by Sweden's star and his career went downhill ever since! It was at a time when we were desperate for centre back and were playing a short full back from Cardiff at centre back, who turned out to be an alcoholic! Hope that cap was worth it! I don't see how shawcross deserves any stick from us. He's a proud englishman and only wanted to represent england, even if that does just mean the one cap. Good on him. I certainly would never represent any other nation if I was good enough for them but not quite good enough for Wales. I much prefer that than a dummett situation who clearly doesn't identify strongly with wales but tried to use us when convenient to push his career. |
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Post by iot on Feb 16, 2020 15:03:44 GMT
You have to question the people running the U19 and U21 teams - its a bit amateurish that someone like Neco was kept in the U19 instead of being promoted to the U21 a couple of weeks ago. Little things like that can rub young egos up the wrong way sometimes. Hopefully he plays in the March friendlies and this speculation will be behind us. Not necessairily. In the past we've been keen to keep generations of players in the same team and then try to promote them to the seniors together. That way, they already have that understanding. That's what we did with the bale, ramsey, vokes etc. generation |
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Post by robin1864 on Feb 16, 2020 22:12:05 GMT
Yes but presumably so was Rob Jones! His mum was Welsh and he was born in Wrexham at a time we had Rush, Hughes, etc. Would be interested if anyone has any insight into why he decided on England. To be fair we don't usually lose out on a very good player with strong Welsh links. Shawcross should be used as an example - he threw his lot in with England - got one cap with England during which he got humiliated by Sweden's star and his career went downhill ever since! It was at a time when we were desperate for centre back and were playing a short full back from Cardiff at centre back, who turned out to be an alcoholic! Hope that cap was worth it! I don't see how shawcross deserves any stick from us. He's a proud englishman and only wanted to represent england, even if that does just mean the one cap. Good on him. I certainly would never represent any other nation if I was good enough for them but not quite good enough for Wales. I much prefer that than a dummett situation who clearly doesn't identify strongly with wales but tried to use us when convenient to push his career. Jonathan Bond would be a far better example. Enjoyed the Welsh youth teams and then jumped to England when they came sniffing. Now he's a back-up keeper at WBA. |
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Post by manulike on Feb 21, 2020 18:44:24 GMT
No Neco on tonight's U23 team-sheet (Morgan Boyes does start). Do we assume that this means that he is that close to the first team, that he is no longer made available for the U23? Twitter saying Henderson is out for a couple of weeks and TAA might replace him in midfield?
I noticed that the English gutter press is full of "Neco U-turn" and "Neco changes his mind" headlines today ;=)) Very entertaining ... As if that would ever happen!
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Feb 22, 2020 2:43:58 GMT
No Neco on tonight's U23 team-sheet (Morgan Boyes does start). Do we assume that this means that he is that close to the first team, that he is no longer made available for the U23? Twitter saying Henderson is out for a couple of weeks and TAA might replace him in midfield?
I noticed that the English gutter press is full of "Neco U-turn" and "Neco changes his mind" headlines today ;=)) Very entertaining ... As if that would ever happen!
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Mar 3, 2020 18:41:17 GMT
Starts vs Chelsea, FA Cup last 16
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Post by iantov on Mar 3, 2020 18:50:20 GMT
Starts vs Chelsea, FA Cup last 16 I'm sure he'll impress once again |
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 3, 2020 19:03:39 GMT
People are still wondering whether Neco makes it on the plane with us to Euro 2020.
In reality, the odds of him starting for us in the first match are increasing by the week.
If Roberts continues to spend time off form and on the bench in the championship, and Williams continues to get game time for the best club side in the world, my money is on Neco as our first choice right back.
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Post by alarch on Mar 3, 2020 19:21:03 GMT
People are still wondering whether Neco makes it on the plane with us to Euro 2020. In reality, the odds of him starting for us in the first match are increasing by the week. If Roberts continues to spend time off form and on the bench in the championship, and Williams continues to get game time for the best club side in the world, my money is on Neco as our first choice right back. Anything's possible, but this is still an unlikely scenario in my opinion. I doubt whether Williams will get any game time outside of the FA Cup, and possibly friendlies for Us - assuming they go ahead. But with Giggs anything is possible. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 19:24:03 GMT
30 league appearances this season vs 0 career league appearances. Tough call for Giggsy.
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Post by gimli on Mar 3, 2020 19:59:42 GMT
Looks like Chelsea are targeting Neco's side of the pitch. Got caught out by a ball over the top but made a good recovering tackle. He's going to have his hands full with Pedro, but it should be a good test for him.
Looking good going forward. Put in a couple of crosses already, and made a great late run into the box that was ignored by Mane.
Edit: Adrian has a clanger and Liverpool concede. Nothing to do with Neco though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 20:29:29 GMT
He's defended well, some good headers and recovery challenges. Not got any support down his side and the centre halves drift a long way side to side. Huge gaps and he's pushing very high up the pitch.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 3, 2020 20:44:17 GMT
He hasn't looked out of place at all, acquitted himself well defensively and look okay going forward in the first half (mind you I missed the first 20 mins).
Playing away at Stamford Bridge is obviously his biggest test so far, and as I said he doesn't look out of place which for me says a lot about his ability to come in for us. A dead cert for March.
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 3, 2020 21:09:17 GMT
30 league appearances this season vs 0 career league appearances. Tough call for Giggsy. Hopefully Giggs will be aware that there are other tournaments other than the league. |
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Post by robin1864 on Mar 3, 2020 21:10:15 GMT
My only fear about taking him to the Euros is that it's lumping huge expectation on a young lad who's barely played men's football, and the few performances he's played haven't been against quality opposition.
A few bad performances could dent his confidence massively. A player's mental condition is just as important as their physical condition.
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Post by robin1864 on Mar 3, 2020 21:10:42 GMT
Almost dropped a massive clanger
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 3, 2020 21:11:53 GMT
Almost dropped a massive clanger That was 110% Gomez's fault. Gomez has had a shocking 5 minutes, massively at fault for the goal as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 21:40:39 GMT
He hasn't looked out of place at all, acquitted himself well defensively and look okay going forward in the first half (mind you I missed the first 20 mins). Playing away at Stamford Bridge is obviously his biggest test so far, and as I said he doesn't look out of place which for me says a lot about his ability to come in for us. A dead cert for March. Should let him captain the u19s in the elite round he led them to instead of the early friendlies. |
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 3, 2020 21:45:59 GMT
30 league appearances this season vs 0 career league appearances. Tough call for Giggsy. Neco is in a squad behind the best right back in the world. If he was playing for Swansea, it would be nearer Neco 30 league appearances, Roberts 0. |
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