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Post by cadno on Mar 3, 2020 22:44:19 GMT
30 league appearances this season vs 0 career league appearances. Tough call for Giggsy. Neco is in a squad behind the best right back in the world. If he was playing for Swansea, it would be nearer Neco 30 league appearances, Roberts 0. But he's not |
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Post by cadno on Mar 3, 2020 22:46:14 GMT
I'd rather take someone with a bit less experience to a major tournament, there's some decent full backs playing under 16s out there!
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Post by robin1864 on Mar 4, 2020 1:07:51 GMT
Almost dropped a massive clanger That was 110% Gomez's fault. Gomez has had a shocking 5 minutes, massively at fault for the goal as well. "110% Gomez's fault" in the same way driving a car towards a cliff and jumping out before the edge makes the ensuing crash the car's fault. Neco dropped Gomez in it with a poor pass, immediately intercepted by Pedro and narrowly saved by Adrian. Hopefully he learns from it. We couldn't afford that if it was poorly placed pass to Ash, we'd be left for dead. Besides that one incident though, he didn't really put foot wrong. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 4, 2020 1:40:09 GMT
That was 110% Gomez's fault. Gomez has had a shocking 5 minutes, massively at fault for the goal as well. "110% Gomez's fault" in the same way driving a car towards a cliff and jumping out before the edge makes the ensuing crash the car's fault. Neco dropped Gomez in it with a poor pass, immediately intercepted by Pedro and narrowly saved by Adrian. Hopefully he learns from it. We couldn't afford that if it was poorly placed pass to Ash, we'd be left for dead. Besides that one incident though, he didn't really put foot wrong. Sorry that's wrong. Gomez should have held his position and waited for Neco to play a simple pass to him. Instead Gomez started inexplicably running towards him - any manager would be tearing his hair out seeing Gomez make that poor decision - 1) because it creates indecision in Neco's mind 2) it makes the pass so much more difficult as it forced Neco to play a gentle pass as Gomez rushed towards him, making the interception more likely. If Gomez hadn't strayed from his position Neco could have played an easy backpass and there would have been no trouble. Football is all cause and effect. But yes agree he had a good game overall. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 4, 2020 5:19:26 GMT
The kid is class and will get game time in the league toward the end of the season no doubt. It will be daft not to take him to the Euros. Whats the alternative, Taylor?
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Post by welshiron on Mar 4, 2020 7:30:35 GMT
30 league appearances this season vs 0 career league appearances. Tough call for Giggsy. Neco is in a squad behind the best right back in the world. If he was playing for Swansea, it would be nearer Neco 30 league appearances, Roberts 0. Agree with this. He is a better player than gunter and Roberts it's just a case of whether he is ready. If he plays then I might play Ash with Rodon at centre half If Roberts stays on the bench then he could miss out as Gunter can cover other positions |
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Post by rangers15 on Mar 4, 2020 10:46:48 GMT
the friendlies in march will be the obvious barometer... but from the few games he has played he simply has to go to the euros.
a country with our size of player pool can not afford to overlook someone with that amount of obvious talent.
for me the full backs would be roberts, neco, and davies... and probably gunter.
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Post by dai on Mar 4, 2020 11:07:42 GMT
As I commented on the Euro squad thread, he will be on that plane to Baku. Who get's sacrificed is another question, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was Gunter.
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Post by rangers15 on Mar 4, 2020 11:47:27 GMT
As I commented on the Euro squad thread, he will be on that plane to Baku. Who get's sacrificed is another question, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was Gunter. i agree... i thinks he's on the plane. it'll be interesting to see the make-up of defenders giggs takes. ie. 8 defenders, with 4 CBs and 4 full backs, or 7 with either 3 or 4 fullbacks. Gunter might make it because of his versatility across the back line. |
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Post by cadno on Mar 4, 2020 11:55:50 GMT
The kid is class and will get game time in the league toward the end of the season no doubt. It will be daft not to take him to the Euros. Whats the alternative, Taylor? Morgan Fox having a good season for Sheffield Wednesday, Gunter close to 100 caps and proven to be a good defender over the years, Adam Matthews playing well for Charlton, ok he's not 17 so nobody is going OTT but he's a good option, Jazz tidy player and playing more regularly now for Cardiff. |
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Post by cadno on Mar 4, 2020 12:01:34 GMT
You are taking a risk if he's in the squad, it could be overwhelming for Neco this summer, Gunter has a CV full of top performances against some of the best countries in the world - people talk about Gunter as if it's a fluke that he's Wales' most capped player of all time.
We will score goals, it's our defending we need to worry about, people are seriously saying don't take Ash, Chester, Gunter, 3 experienced and top defenders, yes let's take as little experience as we can to face the best teams in Europe on the biggest stage!
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Post by eppingblue1 on Mar 4, 2020 12:20:56 GMT
I like Neco but he needs some positional discipline. Great enthusiasm, energy and a wonderful cross but its a bit like the watching the U10's when the kid that's picked to play full back really thinks he should be playing up front. Wing back in a 5 but I'd shitting myself with him in a back four. In the long run I see him following in Bale's footsteps and being moved forward.
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Post by rangers15 on Mar 4, 2020 12:36:47 GMT
i would not be surprised if Giggs doesn't take Ash, Chester or Gunter... he doesn't seem daunted by making unpopular decisions.
I'm not saying its something i'd do by the way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 13:31:55 GMT
You are taking a risk if he's in the squad, it could be overwhelming for Neco this summer, Gunter has a CV full of top performances against some of the best countries in the world - people talk about Gunter as if it's a fluke that he's Wales' most capped player of all time. We will score goals, it's our defending we need to worry about, people are seriously saying don't take Ash, Chester, Gunter, 3 experienced and top defenders, yes let's take as little experience as we can to face the best teams in Europe on the biggest stage! It's the "and top" part of this that most people are having trouble with. Everyone knows this tournament is just a warm up for the World Cup campaign, anyway. Every decision between youth and experience will be made with the next few years in mind. |
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Post by iot on Mar 4, 2020 14:30:32 GMT
I like Neco but he needs some positional discipline. Great enthusiasm, energy and a wonderful cross but its a bit like the watching the U10's when the kid that's picked to play full back really thinks he should be playing up front. Wing back in a 5 but I'd shitting myself with him in a back four. In the long run I see him following in Bale's footsteps and being moved forward. He definitely was very far forward most of the game which left the defence exposed on several occasions. However, I'm not sure whether that's due to inexperience, exuberance and poor positional discipline, or by instruction. Judging by the way Liverpool play when TAA is in the side, I'd say it's the latter. So I'm not concerned by that at this point, but it will be interesting to see how he copes in a Welsh setup where there is more of an expectation for greater positional discipline. |
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 4, 2020 15:06:15 GMT
Everyone knows this tournament is just a warm up for the World Cup campaign, anyway. Every decision between youth and experience will be made with the next few years in mind. Joke right? There is only one thing on everyone’s minds: Euros |
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Post by quetzal on Mar 4, 2020 15:09:38 GMT
Everyone knows this tournament is just a warm up for the World Cup campaign, anyway. Every decision between youth and experience will be made with the next few years in mind. Joke right? There is only one thing on everyone’s minds: Euros It’s a wind up. Because after Bale and Ramsey retire Wales might go back to being nobodies of International football. We have to live every moment now |
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Mar 4, 2020 16:38:10 GMT
I like Neco but he needs some positional discipline. Great enthusiasm, energy and a wonderful cross but its a bit like the watching the U10's when the kid that's picked to play full back really thinks he should be playing up front. Wing back in a 5 but I'd shitting myself with him in a back four. In the long run I see him following in Bale's footsteps and being moved forward. That's the position he's being told to play for Liverpool, it's exactly where Alexander-Arnold and Robertson look to play. He does play very high up again for the U19's, but doesn't get challenged defensively at that level. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 19:03:21 GMT
Everyone knows this tournament is just a warm up for the World Cup campaign, anyway. Every decision between youth and experience will be made with the next few years in mind. Joke right? There is only one thing on everyone’s minds: Euros Not at all. The FAW have a longer-term vision than just this coming tournament. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 19:04:12 GMT
I like Neco but he needs some positional discipline. Great enthusiasm, energy and a wonderful cross but its a bit like the watching the U10's when the kid that's picked to play full back really thinks he should be playing up front. Wing back in a 5 but I'd shitting myself with him in a back four. In the long run I see him following in Bale's footsteps and being moved forward. That's the position he's being told to play for Liverpool, it's exactly where Alexander-Arnold and Robertson look to play. He does play very high up again for the U19's, but doesn't get challenged defensively at that level. The u19s have been playing a back 3 anyway. |
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Post by iot on Mar 4, 2020 21:46:01 GMT
Joke right? There is only one thing on everyone’s minds: Euros Not at all. The FAW have a longer-term vision than just this coming tournament. It's one thing having a long-term vision, but to prioritise future qualification campaigns over a tournament we've already qualified for would be moronic in the extreme for a country that has only qualified for two tournaments in our entire history! I don't think even Giggs and the FAW would be that stupid. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 21:59:27 GMT
Not at all. The FAW have a longer-term vision than just this coming tournament. It's one thing having a long-term vision, but to prioritise future qualification campaigns over a tournament we've already qualified for would be moronic in the extreme for a country that has only qualified for two tournaments in our entire history! I don't think even Giggs and the FAW would be that stupid. Giggs' selection policies have shown what the plan is for some time now. |
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 4, 2020 22:50:54 GMT
It's one thing having a long-term vision, but to prioritise future qualification campaigns over a tournament we've already qualified for would be moronic in the extreme for a country that has only qualified for two tournaments in our entire history! I don't think even Giggs and the FAW would be that stupid. Giggs' selection policies have shown what the plan is for some time now. Is that why he’s given debuts to three mid-twenties journeymen? |
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Post by rush on Mar 5, 2020 6:49:19 GMT
30 league appearances this season vs 0 career league appearances. Tough call for Giggsy. Take the one who can defend or attack, or the one who stops at the halfway line in loads of space, but turns around and passes back? Great servant, but we now have better. |
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Post by richierich333 on Mar 5, 2020 9:24:36 GMT
30 league appearances this season vs 0 career league appearances. Tough call for Giggsy. Take the one who can defend or attack, or the one who stops at the halfway line in loads of space, but turns around and passes back? Great servant, but we now have better. This pretty much sums it up. Gunter had all those caps because there was very little competition for that right back spot. I agree he did not have many bad games but Neco is far, far better already. |
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Post by cadno on Mar 5, 2020 11:08:48 GMT
Take the one who can defend or attack, or the one who stops at the halfway line in loads of space, but turns around and passes back? Great servant, but we now have better. This pretty much sums it up. Gunter had all those caps because there was very little competition for that right back spot. I agree he did not have many bad games but Neco is far, far better already. Adam Matthews, Jazz Richards, Adam Henley, all probably better in the final third than Gunter, but you're doing Gunts a huge disservice here, he is a top class defender, professional, and team player, which is overlooked too often. Players like Gunter are vital for a team, Neco has potential, but he hasn't done anything compared to Gunter yet. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 11:15:08 GMT
Giggs' selection policies have shown what the plan is for some time now. Is that why he’s given debuts to three mid-twenties journeymen? Mid-twenties journeymen have a few campaigns left in them for sure. It's the squad players in their 30s that have come under the highest scrutiny. |
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Post by richierich333 on Mar 5, 2020 11:19:37 GMT
This pretty much sums it up. Gunter had all those caps because there was very little competition for that right back spot. I agree he did not have many bad games but Neco is far, far better already. Adam Matthews, Jazz Richards, Adam Henley, all probably better in the final third than Gunter, but you're doing Gunts a huge disservice here, he is a top class defender, professional, and team player, which is overlooked too often. Players like Gunter are vital for a team, Neco has potential, but he hasn't done anything compared to Gunter yet. What is your definition of 'top class'? Mine is 'TOP class'. That's a massive exaggeration. |
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Post by dai on Mar 5, 2020 14:05:03 GMT
Football moves on I'm afraid, can we really call Chris Gunter a top class defender nowdays? I'm not sure. Is Bale still a top class forward? I'm not sure.
Yes there is an argument that he is good for squad morale, a players' player, popular, best friends with Ramsey etc. But Giggs has found a way to win and play well without all that camaraderie the Coleman squad had.
Roberts is still first choice RB for me, but if he gets injured, who replaces him? Is it really Gunter who's barely played any competitive football over the last 2 years, or is it the second best RB playing for the best club in the world?
You have to live in the now, not in the past.
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Post by cadno on Mar 5, 2020 14:57:45 GMT
We've beaten Hungary and Azerbaijan, and drew with Croatia... let's see how we do this summer, I would love to see Neco do a job like Jazz or Gunter have over the years against the likes of Bosnia, Belgium, Germany etc.
Has Neco played under pressure of the magnitude of a major tournament yet? No, how many first team appearances does he have? 5?
Starting him in the euros would be a huge risk, say what you like about Gunter, he's a good defender, and playing Full back for Wales in a major tournament, without any prior experience, would be a different task than playing a few cup games for a Liverpool side that has most of the possession.
I believe Neco has played against Arsenal, where they conceded 5 goals, Shrewsbury twice, A very weak Everton,and Chelsea, where they lost and conceded 2 goals.
And apparently that CV puts him in a better place than Chris Gunter to start in the Euros, he has a lot of potential, but come on!
I'd also argue that if Adam Matthews or Jazz started for Liverpool against Shrewsbury and a poor Everton, they would look impressive offensively, the fact is, we dont actually know how Neco will do in a different team, against the best international opposition. The friendlies will give us more of an idea though, I suppose.
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