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Post by dai on Sept 20, 2021 7:34:47 GMT
Poor from Lockyer who's now gone down in my estimation after his fellow player, Lansbury, basically assaulted Manning.
It's also daft to blame Manning for kicking the ball away. Lansbury could see him coming, yet still went for a leg breaking swipe. Oscar winning innocence afterwards.
Manning yellow card for time wasting, Red and a lengthy ban for Lansbury for basic assault.
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Post by welwyn on Sept 20, 2021 8:37:20 GMT
Poor from Lockyer who's now gone down in my estimation after his fellow player, Lansbury, basically assaulted Manning. It's also daft to blame Manning for kicking the ball away. Lansbury could see him coming, yet still went for a leg breaking swipe. Oscar winning innocence afterwards. Manning yellow card for time wasting, Red and a lengthy ban for Lansbury for basic assault. I'm sorry, look at Lansbury's eyes. I was working so watching on a Swans TV stream so missed the initial incident the first time and on the first reply shown I agreed with you, it looked horrific from Lansbury, however, as a former referee I am aware of how much eye direction can show intent:  At this point, Lockyer was the one that has rolled the ball ready for the free-kick. You can already see that Lansbury has spotted something. I am guessing it's Adebayo in space, probably wide left 50 yards downfield (that bit is admittedly based purely on what I know about who we had playing and style of tempo playing from early this season, that's not what is important mind).  You can see from this one that Manning has begun to walk slowly towards the ball. Lansbury eye direction has gone from his target to where on the ball he is striking. Yes his eyes would have passed Manning on the way but only in a 'blur of white' kind of way.  You can see by the blurring on this image, the speed Lansbury is running is pretty fast, reducing his reaction time. Meanwhile, at this point, Manning has not reached the ball yet. Given the angle you can see that Lansbury's head is in order to look at the ball (diagonally away from Manning), I am convinced at this stage Lansbury still can't see him and is unaware of Manning's intentions.  This is the point that Lansbury first sees Manning's foot, almost as Manning plays the ball. Lansbury has run full pelt to this point and his leg is already halfway through his 'swing' (to use a golfing analogy) to strike the ball. It is too late for him to slow down and reduce the force he strikes the about to be vacant space where the ball is about to be removed from, let alone stop completely.  This last one is just to show how unbelievably lucky both Manning & Lansbury are that both their ligaments and leg bones themselves are in one piece. Including the replay below where you can see all of those things, so you can see that they are not stills out of context. Given the force that Lansbury caught Manning with and my experience of applying the rules as a referee in a real life context, I believe that the ref actually did a terrific job. Even though the entire situation is caused by Manning kicking the ball away, NOT booking Lansbury, although probably legally the right decision, would have ramped up the situation and caused it to fester and make refereeing the rest of the game practically impossible.  |
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 20, 2021 9:56:32 GMT
Poor from Lockyer who's now gone down in my estimation after his fellow player, Lansbury, basically assaulted Manning. It's also daft to blame Manning for kicking the ball away. Lansbury could see him coming, yet still went for a leg breaking swipe. Oscar winning innocence afterwards. Manning yellow card for time wasting, Red and a lengthy ban for Lansbury for basic assault. I'm sorry, look at Lansbury's eyes. I was working so watching on a Swans TV stream so missed the initial incident the first time and on the first reply shown I agreed with you, it looked horrific from Lansbury, however, as a former referee I am aware of how much eye direction can show intent: At this point, Lockyer was the one that has rolled the ball ready for the free-kick. You can already see that Lansbury has spotted something. I am guessing it's Adebayo in space, probably wide left 50 yards downfield (that bit is admittedly based purely on what I know about who we had playing and style of tempo playing from early this season, that's not what is important mind). You can see from this one that Manning has begun to walk slowly towards the ball. Lansbury eye direction has gone from his target to where on the ball he is striking. Yes his eyes would have passed Manning on the way but only in a 'blur of white' kind of way. You can see by the blurring on this image, the speed Lansbury is running is pretty fast, reducing his reaction time. Meanwhile, at this point, Manning has not reached the ball yet. Given the angle you can see that Lansbury's head is in order to look at the ball (diagonally away from Manning), I am convinced at this stage Lansbury still can't see him and is unaware of Manning's intentions. This is the point that Lansbury first sees Manning's foot, almost as Manning plays the ball. Lansbury has run full pelt to this point and his leg is already halfway through his 'swing' (to use a golfing analogy) to strike the ball. It is too late for him to slow down and reduce the force he strikes the about to be vacant space where the ball is about to be removed from, let alone stop completely. This last one is just to show how unbelievably lucky both Manning & Lansbury are that both their ligaments and leg bones themselves are in one piece. Including the replay below where you can see all of those things, so you can see that they are not stills out of context. Given the force that Lansbury caught Manning with and my experience of applying the rules as a referee in a real life context, I believe that the ref actually did a terrific job. Even though the entire situation is caused by Manning kicking the ball away, NOT booking Lansbury, although probably legally the right decision, would have ramped up the situation and caused it to fester and make refereeing the rest of the game practically impossible. The problem is the first video everyone saw was the one where you can't really see the ball and it looks like Lansbury's just kicked Manning off the ball out of spite. The video in your post shows it's fairly obvious that Lansbury is going to kick the ball, not the man, and Manning kicks it away meaning Lansbury makes contact with Manning. Lockyer is pissed off because the situation is all of Manning's making and it could see his teammate sent off had the ref not been paying attention. |
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Post by dai on Sept 20, 2021 10:04:58 GMT
Nonsense.
There's no way on earth he doesn't see him walking towards the ball - he's only a few yards away and there is such a thing as peripheral vision. It's reckless and dangerous and could have broken his leg.
Wonder if you'd still be defending Lansbury if Manning had actually suffered a serious injury?
If a high boot is deemed dangerous and reckless by today's standards, then what is this exactly?
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 20, 2021 11:14:40 GMT
What was Manning doing? Why was he walking to the ball and tapping it away?
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Post by welwyn on Sept 20, 2021 11:52:39 GMT
What was Manning doing? Why was he walking to the ball and tapping it away? To stop Lansbury taking a quick free-kick. He literally 'Charlie Brown's' Lansbury. |
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 20, 2021 12:30:13 GMT
What was Manning doing? Why was he walking to the ball and tapping it away? To stop Lansbury taking a quick free-kick. He literally 'Charlie Brown's' Lansbury. Thought so, it seems that this act is all but forgotten about wherever this incident is discussed. |
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Post by dai on Sept 20, 2021 12:51:38 GMT
To stop Lansbury taking a quick free-kick. He literally 'Charlie Brown's' Lansbury. Thought so, it seems that this act is all but forgotten about wherever this incident is discussed. So kicking a ball away warrants getting your legs nearly broken? |
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 20, 2021 12:57:59 GMT
Thought so, it seems that this act is all but forgotten about wherever this incident is discussed. So kicking a ball away warrants getting your legs nearly broken? Absolutely not, although "nearly" and "legs" are a bit of a stretch, it was one leg kicked and I think 99 times out of 100 it wouldn't cause a leg break. It certainly doesn't warrant getting kicked but just what was Manning thinking, that it's okay to just walk up and do that as somebody is going to kick a dead ball? Did Manning think he was Mwepu Ilunga for a few seconds? |
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Post by turkpower on Sept 21, 2021 11:54:04 GMT
Dai talking sense, there's hope yet.
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Post by welwyn on Sept 30, 2021 13:59:04 GMT
His passing game as the RCB in a back three last night was absolutely terrific.
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Post by iot on Sept 30, 2021 15:08:57 GMT
His passing game as the RCB in a back three last night was absolutely terrific. Is that an area of his game that's come on a lot, or just a one off last night? |
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Post by welwyn on Sept 30, 2021 15:54:08 GMT
No, I think it is an element of use wanting to exploit the right hand side with Bree, Clark & Cornick outside him.
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Post by welwyn on Oct 4, 2021 16:06:45 GMT
Disappointing to see him pull out, certainly didn't seem to be carrying anything at FT. Not helpful to see having already seen NJ mention to the press how delighted he was that Sluga (our keeper) wasn't picked in the latest Croatia squad because 'he doesn't know what he gets out of going just to never play.'
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Post by dai on Oct 4, 2021 16:14:08 GMT
Disappointing to see him pull out, certainly didn't seem to be carrying anything at FT. Not helpful to see having already seen NJ mention to the press how delighted he was that Sluga (our keeper) wasn't picked in the latest Croatia squad because 'he doesn't know what he gets out of going just to never play.' Well, I was going to bring him up as well regarding this pull out. Didn't he pull out the last squad as well? (cant remember if he was injured or not) NJ comes across as a right k**b. |
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Post by welwyn on Oct 4, 2021 16:17:56 GMT
Disappointing to see him pull out, certainly didn't seem to be carrying anything at FT. Not helpful to see having already seen NJ mention to the press how delighted he was that Sluga (our keeper) wasn't picked in the latest Croatia squad because 'he doesn't know what he gets out of going just to never play.' Didn't he pull out the last squad as well? (cant remember if he was injured or not) To be fair, he was actually out injured last time. (If I remember right, he reappeared on the bench for the last game before the break but given our injury troubles at CB at the time, it wouldn't surprise me if that was purely because we didn't have anyone else!) |
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Post by insertname on Oct 4, 2021 18:09:06 GMT
Disappointing to see him pull out, certainly didn't seem to be carrying anything at FT. Not helpful to see having already seen NJ mention to the press how delighted he was that Sluga (our keeper) wasn't picked in the latest Croatia squad because 'he doesn't know what he gets out of going just to never play.' Well, I was going to bring him up as well regarding this pull out. Didn't he pull out the last squad as well? (cant remember if he was injured or not) NJ comes across as a right k**b. Let’s resurrect this post in a few years when he’s after the Wales job and telling all and sundry that “I’ve always encouraged my players to represent their country…” 😂 |
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Post by rob on Oct 4, 2021 19:53:37 GMT
Disappointing to see him pull out, certainly didn't seem to be carrying anything at FT. Not helpful to see having already seen NJ mention to the press how delighted he was that Sluga (our keeper) wasn't picked in the latest Croatia squad because 'he doesn't know what he gets out of going just to never play.' Well, I was going to bring him up as well regarding this pull out. Didn't he pull out the last squad as well? (cant remember if he was injured or not) NJ comes across as a right k**b. Nathan Jones,despite being a Welshman,seems to have an issue with players playing for Wales.Last season felt RND had played too many games at one stage so did not want him to play for Wales,did not choose Morrell for a while after playing for Wales too.Lockyer played 90 minutes Saturday so a bit damming really.Think Cabango is better player anyway so Page needs to remember this situation.Not much between Lockyer and Lawrence,neither good enough,would be better to choose Cooper as a long term option. |
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Post by welwyn on Oct 4, 2021 19:56:47 GMT
Because of a keeper injury, Sluga has now joined the Croat squad anyway lol.
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Post by emlyn on Feb 27, 2022 13:41:42 GMT
Tom Lockyer is playing very well for Luton now after full recovery from injury and should certainly be included in the play-off squad.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Feb 27, 2022 13:55:57 GMT
Tom Lockyer is playing very well for Luton now after full recovery from injury and should certainly be included in the play-off squad. May well need him to be involved at some point. Has never let us down and I trust him in a big game after he did well in the 1-1 draw with Croatia and the following wins against Azerbaijan and Hungary which were high pressure situations |
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Post by welwyn on Mar 2, 2022 9:16:55 GMT
With injuries, he's ended up back in the middle off the back 3.
Will be interesting with our injury problems, allied with the frankly crazy fact that we are in the play-off mix, to see how strong we go against Chelsea tonight.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 2, 2022 20:48:31 GMT
With injuries, he's ended up back in the middle off the back 3. Will be interesting with our injury problems, allied with the frankly crazy fact that we are in the play-off mix, to see how strong we go against Chelsea tonight. Been watching this game, Luton doing very well fair play |
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Post by welwyn on Mar 4, 2022 20:18:54 GMT
Disappointed with the team we put out. Not bad for a very half and half side.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 11, 2022 12:23:49 GMT
Only just clocked that Luton are up in the top 6 in the Championship. Lockyer always seems like the forgotten man - but could he be a Premier League defender next season?
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Post by spiritof16 on Mar 11, 2022 14:32:12 GMT
Only just clocked that Luton are up in the top 6 in the Championship. Lockyer always seems like the forgotten man - but could he be a Premier League defender next season? And Nathan Jones a Premier League Manager! |
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Post by dai on Mar 11, 2022 14:39:31 GMT
Only just clocked that Luton are up in the top 6 in the Championship. Lockyer always seems like the forgotten man - but could he be a Premier League defender next season? Is he a forgotten man?? Giggs and Page have picked him quite regularly, and he's always put in a shift for us, and played quite well. From what I've seen there's not much between him, Mepham and Cabango. Mepham is better on the ball though, and seems like a more modern type of player, whereas Lockyer seems like a more old fashioned centre half - nothing with wrong with that. |
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 11, 2022 16:01:15 GMT
Cabango seems to be going backwards this season. There was a point, little over a year ago, that I really thought that Rodon and Cabango would be in the centre of the Wales defence for the next ten years. Without Cooper I don't think Cabango has looked half as good from what I've seen this season and of course we all know what is or isn't going on with Rodon's career, Lockyer could really capitalise on this, in a Wales shirt he's never really let anyone down.
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 11, 2022 16:24:41 GMT
Lockyer has never let Wales down and has often been unfairly maligned, I'd be happy to see him start against Austria
I must say I've never really got the hype around Cabango & Cooper, Mepham & Lockyer the better players for me
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Post by insertname on Mar 11, 2022 16:47:13 GMT
Only just clocked that Luton are up in the top 6 in the Championship. Lockyer always seems like the forgotten man - but could he be a Premier League defender next season? Is he a forgotten man?? Giggs and Page have picked him quite regularly, and he's always put in a shift for us, and played quite well. From what I've seen there's not much between him, Mepham and Cabango. Mepham is better on the ball though, and seems like a more modern type of player, whereas Lockyer seems like a more old fashioned centre half - nothing with wrong with that. Forgotten I guess in the sense that he was omitted from the Euros squad despite those videos of him training like a dog in an effort to be fit for the finals. Although I thought he had disappeared after that but he was actually involved against Finland according to the stats. Maybe not quite as forgotten as I thought! I saw him score and set one up against Bristol City the other week but then Luton were all at sea defensively for their consolation goal. Guess we need to ask Welwyn whether that’s indicative of his defending throughout the season…. |
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