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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 28, 2019 13:49:24 GMT
Hope he gets more games and comes into consideration for the Euro squad.
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Nov 28, 2019 14:14:14 GMT
Cooper isn't sure about the extent to Van der Hoorn's injury yet, given that the game is tomorrow I'd expect Cabango to start alongside Wilmot.
That's our centre back pairing with an average age of 19 up against Mitrovic, so it's a big ask.
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Post by barry on Dec 11, 2019 18:47:46 GMT
Makes his first league start.
Will be good to see how he fares.
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Post by welshiron on Dec 11, 2019 18:51:38 GMT
Great opportunity for the lad.
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Post by manulike on Dec 11, 2019 19:24:19 GMT
Makes his first league start. Will be good to see how he fares.
ANYONE HAVE A LIVE FEED FOR IT?
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Post by welshiron on Dec 11, 2019 19:31:09 GMT
Makes his first league start. Will be good to see how he fares. ANYONE HAVE A LIVE FEED FOR IT?
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Post by allezlesrouges on Dec 11, 2019 21:54:32 GMT
Give him a cap in March and see how he does.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 21:56:34 GMT
Give him a cap in March and see how he does. Calm down we're not that desperate. Leave him in the u21s where he'll get games. |
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Dec 12, 2019 0:55:37 GMT
Give him a cap in March and see how he does. Calm down we're not that desperate. Leave him in the u21s where he'll get games. Regan Poole's been called up to the last couple of squads, and Ben Cabango is a much better defender, as well as being two years younger and playing at a higher level. I think March should be for offering opportunities for players on the fringes, and Cabango is one of those players along with the likes of Dylan Levitt and Neco Williams. |
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Post by barry on Dec 12, 2019 1:30:51 GMT
Perhaps he was a little partially at fault for the goal as he got naïvely sucked in from the center but was otherwise solid but had very little to do.
Likes to get stuck in. Can look a bit ungainly on the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 3:16:11 GMT
Calm down we're not that desperate. Leave him in the u21s where he'll get games. Regan Poole's been called up to the last couple of squads, and Ben Cabango is a much better defender, as well as being two years younger and playing at a higher level. I think March should be for offering opportunities for players on the fringes, and Cabango is one of those players along with the likes of Dylan Levitt and Neco Williams. Fingers crossed we have Rodon, Mepham, Lockyer, Chester and Williams fit in March and don't need to rush players forwards. Keeping Cabango and Cooper together for the u21s is better for us and them long term (rarely play together for Swansea u23s these days, frustratingly), bringing Poole forward as injury cover didn't really effect anything. He's too short for a centre half anyway. If Ben's kicked Joe out of the Swansea side by then that's another story. |
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Dec 12, 2019 15:03:41 GMT
Regan Poole's been called up to the last couple of squads, and Ben Cabango is a much better defender, as well as being two years younger and playing at a higher level. I think March should be for offering opportunities for players on the fringes, and Cabango is one of those players along with the likes of Dylan Levitt and Neco Williams. Fingers crossed we have Rodon, Mepham, Lockyer, Chester and Williams fit in March and don't need to rush players forwards. Keeping Cabango and Cooper together for the u21s is better for us and them long term (rarely play together for Swansea u23s these days, frustratingly), bringing Poole forward as injury cover didn't really effect anything. He's too short for a centre half anyway. If Ben's kicked Joe out of the Swansea side by then that's another story. I wouldn't say it's frustrating that Cabango's in and around the first team. If Cooper's good enough then they'll play more than enough together, as Cabango looks to be in the first team squad to say with the financial realities for the Swans and with Van der Hoorn surely leaving in the summer (and possibly Rodon as well). If Cabango is still playing for the Swans first team come March, then yes he should be getting a cap. He shouldn't be called up in the squad unless he's going to play in the friendly, but if he's going to get an opportunity then it'll definitely be a big benefit for him to get capped. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 15:56:45 GMT
It's great that he's been given some games but I wonder sometimes how much a player is developing being "in and around the first team" when they're training full time with the first team but have played only 4 matches (plus international duty) in over 4 months. Other young players like Jack Evans train full time with the first team but still play regularly for the u23s. Does sitting on a bench or being the "19th man" on the bus on away trips improve players more compared to playing up against Ibrahim Afellay in the PL international cup, or West Brom's Brunt, Hegazi and Zohore in PL2? I have my doubts.
Admittedly a bit different for Jack as he missed all of last season so needs games more, and would have made his first senior start in the Carbabao cup first round had he not picked up a knock a couple of days before. Tom Carroll was then fit by the time the second round rolled around, and he fell back in the pecking order. Ben does have a volume of senior games under his belt from the TNS loan but he's still young and has a lot to learn.
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Dec 12, 2019 16:44:16 GMT
Well done to Swansea giving these young Welsh players opportunities in the first team.
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Dec 14, 2019 14:26:47 GMT
It's great that he's been given some games but I wonder sometimes how much a player is developing being "in and around the first team" when they're training full time with the first team but have played only 4 matches (plus international duty) in over 4 months. Other young players like Jack Evans train full time with the first team but still play regularly for the u23s. Does sitting on a bench or being the "19th man" on the bus on away trips improve players more compared to playing up against Ibrahim Afellay in the PL international cup, or West Brom's Brunt, Hegazi and Zohore in PL2? I have my doubts. Admittedly a bit different for Jack as he missed all of last season so needs games more, and would have made his first senior start in the Carbabao cup first round had he not picked up a knock a couple of days before. Tom Carroll was then fit by the time the second round rolled around, and he fell back in the pecking order. Ben does have a volume of senior games under his belt from the TNS loan but he's still young and has a lot to learn. Starts again today. He's more than just a 19th man, he's a fully fledged member of the first team squad. Fourth choice centre back starting the season before injuries, and at least a sub in every game since Rodon's injury. If Cooper's good enough, he'll get more than enough games next to Cabango long term. At the moment, Cabango is going to be looking at getting games alongside Joe Rodon. He's on the same path as Rodon and James were, and it didn't do them any harm. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 14:47:04 GMT
Wilmot must be injured, not even on the bench. Sometimes that's what it takes for a player to break through. Worked for Ben Davies.
Not quite the same path as Rodon, who was thrown in at the deep end and expected to start every week after we lost two senior options on deadline day. There wasn't a period in limbo between squads where he was training but not playing (Dhanda also starts today having not played in 6 weeks due to being a "fully-fledged first team player" not involved in u23s fixtures).
It's great that Cabango's getting games now but I would have like to see him turn out for the u23s a bit more previously, when we've had to rely on 17 year olds to fill gaps, against strong sides with plenty to offer in terms of an experience/opportunity to learn. No wonder Cam Toshack has fled to Cyprus, he's got no players left.
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Post by fiveattheback on Dec 14, 2019 15:39:56 GMT
How's he looked in his gametime at Swansea?
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Dec 14, 2019 15:58:18 GMT
How's he looked in his gametime at Swansea? Very decent. Classic Swans mould of centre half, good on the ball. Doesn't turn 20 until May though, so early days for him and I'm sure he'll make some mistakes this season. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Dec 14, 2019 16:07:01 GMT
How's he looked in his gametime at Swansea? Very decent. Classic Swans mould of centre half, good on the ball. Doesn't turn 20 until May though, so early days for him and I'm sure he'll make some mistakes this season. He was rejected by Cardiff which says it all |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 17:18:54 GMT
Very decent. Classic Swans mould of centre half, good on the ball. Doesn't turn 20 until May though, so early days for him and I'm sure he'll make some mistakes this season. He was rejected by Cardiff which says it all They wanted him back after his spell at Newport but Swansea offered more for the scholarship. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 19:15:12 GMT
Doesn't cover himself in glory for their goal again today. Disagree that he's in the classic Swansea ball-playing mould. Has been well coached in the style and systems through u18s and u23s where we always try to play out, but he can struggle with the ball on his one good foot under any sort of pressure. The group he came through with are all a dramatic step down from what Joe is/was on the ball, and from what I've seen he hasn't added as much to his range of passing as others have since stepping up to the u23s 2 years ago. Rugby family, what can you do?  Ben's best assets are his size and athleticism, no limitations to how far he can go in that respect. Regan Poole and Cian Harries are more talented footballers than he is but their weaknesses mean Cabango will almost certainly be the better player for clubs and country. |
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Post by iot on Dec 14, 2019 19:31:07 GMT
Yeah, I've also had the impression that he doesn't look all that comfortable on the ball (only watched him play once or twice mind).
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Post by barneycat1 on Dec 14, 2019 23:03:25 GMT
I think he will develop into a regular starter. A bit raw but will come through. Welsh cap within 2 years.
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Post by welshiron on Dec 15, 2019 12:14:31 GMT
Give him a chance to develop.
Big ask coming into a championship team and I'm sure he will make mistakes but definitely one to keep an eye on and if injuries hit he may be at the Euros.
Better option than Regan Poole
Mepham
Rodon
Williams
Lockyer
And a fit Chester all ahead of him
Lawrence also ahead at the moment.
Wilson at Ipswich on a par perhaps and Davies or Gunter also better options at this stage
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Post by barry on Dec 26, 2019 14:03:26 GMT
Straight back in the side after missing the last game with injury (I think).
Bit harsh on Wilmot who's been playing well (unless he has a slight knock).
Good for Wales though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2019 15:54:11 GMT
Doesn't look any worse than Wilmot which isn't saying much. At least our Ben can jump.
Showing his lack of ball-playing skills, although not helped by playing with half a team of passengers. Connor's having another shocker alongside him.
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Post by barry on Dec 26, 2019 17:03:17 GMT
Did OK defensively.
Very poor distribution. Hopefully just on off day.
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Post by cadno on Dec 29, 2019 19:19:32 GMT
First time I've seen Cabango play for the Swans, not the hardest game he'll ever play but overall I thought he did well. He played one lovely pass across field in the 2nd half, he will only get better!
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Jan 2, 2020 19:44:58 GMT
Ben starts again vs Charlton live on Sky.
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Post by iot on Jan 2, 2020 21:47:18 GMT
A poor second half from Swansea and a much more uncertain display from Cabango too. He's extremely slow on the turn and Swansea should have conceded because of it. They played with a high defensive line and cabango let strikers in behind him twice with only poor finishes from them when through one on one preventing an equaliser. On both occasions he didn't seem to be entirely aware where the striker was, he was slow to react and he didn't bust a gut to make up for his error. Plenty for him to work on, I can't see him being a serious contender for the euros
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