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Post by insertname on Nov 25, 2022 0:01:57 GMT
Written off time and again, sometimes by people on his side. With Bale’s decline in terms of his mobility and given how he changed the game single handedly after he came on, he is arguably the most important player going forward as the players from 2016 age and become less effective. He looked to be a good find when he first came in and got the crucial winner against Slovakia and it’s incredible how ever more integral he has become since then. I wonder what happened to that lad on here who kept calling him a donkey? 😂 Wasn't he called an embarrassment of a selection because he was supposedly a washed up Anglo, who devalued caps, and we should have instead capped a younger Welsh born prospect? The goals/performances quickly ended that talk As you might recall I’m a firm believer in expanding the player base and giving the unfashionable sort player like Kieffer initially was a chance and I can appreciate to some he was an underwhelming eligibility reveal…but even so some of the abuse he seems to have generated is completely bloody embarrassing not to mention totally uninformed |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Mar 11, 2023 17:27:17 GMT
There is arguably a case for Kieffer not being in the forthcoming squad at all, given lack of club games /form /goals this season, particularly of late.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 11, 2023 18:46:29 GMT
There is arguably a case for Kieffer not being in the forthcoming squad at all, given lack of club games /form /goals this season, particularly of late. He deserves to be in the squad just based on historic performances, but you could argue whether he should start |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 12, 2023 7:58:40 GMT
He's absolutely in our squad, who do you pick ahead of him?
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Post by dai on Mar 12, 2023 9:52:49 GMT
There is arguably a case for Kieffer not being in the forthcoming squad at all, given lack of club games /form /goals this season, particularly of late. Would you say the same about Dan James too? Kieffer has been our highest goal scorer (or Bale?) over the last few years. Of course he makes the squad. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 12, 2023 11:42:22 GMT
There is arguably a case for Kieffer not being in the forthcoming squad at all, given lack of club games /form /goals this season, particularly of late. Would you say the same about Dan James too? Kieffer has been our highest goal scorer (or Bale?) over the last few years. Of course he makes the squad. I think Kieffer and Bale have the same amount of goals since Kieffer's debut. No way he isn't in the squad |
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Post by talyfan on Mar 12, 2023 11:55:46 GMT
Absolutely no way. Kieffer might not be playing but often delivers for us on the pitch.
Same can't be said for others.
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 12, 2023 12:09:02 GMT
The big man still has a vital part to play for us
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Post by flutterdinho on Mar 12, 2023 15:33:48 GMT
There is arguably a case for Kieffer not being in the forthcoming squad at all, given lack of club games /form /goals this season, particularly of late. Respect your opinion but not sure where you are coming from with this, he's our main striker. Who are you putting in the squad ahead of him out of interest? |
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Post by jbt95 on Mar 13, 2023 9:37:47 GMT
There is arguably a case for Kieffer not being in the forthcoming squad at all, given lack of club games /form /goals this season, particularly of late. I don’t think he was playing for Cardiff when he put the ball away v Belgium. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 13, 2023 10:36:43 GMT
There is arguably a case for Kieffer not being in the forthcoming squad at all, given lack of club games /form /goals this season, particularly of late. I don’t think he was playing for Cardiff when he put the ball away v Belgium. He'd scored 2 against Huddersfield in the game before the international break. He only started missing games in January and then got injured when he signed for Bournemouth |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Mar 14, 2023 8:49:36 GMT
If Kieffer does get selected for Croatia and Latvia, I think he will need to show up and put the ball in the back of the net for us. If there at all, he starts on the bench IMO.
Game time and goals currently at club level belong to the likes of Bradshaw, Brennan and Mullin.
I too have liked what Kieffer has had to offer for us in the past, but surely current form and match fitness has got to count for something?
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Mar 14, 2023 9:25:08 GMT
P.S. On the 'current form' argument, Ched Evans at PNE has also picked up 8 goals this season.
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Post by underwood on Mar 28, 2023 23:11:19 GMT
33 caps, 10 goals.
What a great return that is & most of his goals have been absolutely vital.
Well done big man.
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Post by dai on Mar 28, 2023 23:19:02 GMT
33 caps, 10 goals. What a great return that is & most of his goals have been absolutely vital. Well done big man. It's a great return. He could be on a lot more if we gave him better service. He's very dominating in the penalty box, we just need to get the ball in there more often |
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Post by morg on Mar 29, 2023 4:44:15 GMT
Also, 2 games, 0 bookings. Changed his approach?
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Post by bale-droed on Mar 29, 2023 5:00:54 GMT
Thank god he was there tonight. I would like to of seen him Brough off for Bradshaw after 75 mins. I think he was tired and did all he could.
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Post by bobbyghoul on Mar 29, 2023 8:48:57 GMT
Held the ball up well when played to feet too.
All in all Wales played well last night. Which is why I find the flat atmosphere and negative reaction after the game a bit strange.
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Post by njdragon on Mar 29, 2023 8:50:34 GMT
Thank god he was there tonight. I would like to of seen him Brough off for Bradshaw after 75 mins. I think he was tired and did all he could. they were a big side latvia though weren't they, think we needed someone to bully them back |
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 29, 2023 19:23:03 GMT
There was a moment in the game where I think three of their players were trying to wrestle Kieffer, that's the effect he can have, his presence makes teams anxious, especially sides like Latvia. Imagine bringing Brennan on for him last night after he'd hurt his foot, I think that would have killed the game, their defenders would have had two very different nightmares to deal with, one after the other.
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Post by hooky on Mar 29, 2023 20:43:32 GMT
There was a moment in the game where I think three of their players were trying to wrestle Kieffer, that's the effect he can have, his presence makes teams anxious, especially sides like Latvia. Imagine bringing Brennan on for him last night after he'd hurt his foot, I think that would have killed the game, their defenders would have had two very different nightmares to deal with, one after the other. The fact Giggs brought him in - a player who is opposite to the kind of game Giggs would surely naturally choose to play - shows what a decent coach he was. Moore has had a massive impact and his introduction clearly happened on Giggs watch. Giggs also had a natural feel for the game and we were far more fluid under him. He achieved qualification despite throwing so many youngsters into the mix Just a shame Giggs character flaws destroyed what would probably have been a decent managerial career. |
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Post by iot on Mar 30, 2023 8:48:15 GMT
There was a moment in the game where I think three of their players were trying to wrestle Kieffer, that's the effect he can have, his presence makes teams anxious, especially sides like Latvia. Imagine bringing Brennan on for him last night after he'd hurt his foot, I think that would have killed the game, their defenders would have had two very different nightmares to deal with, one after the other. The fact Giggs brought him in - a player who is opposite to the kind of game Giggs would surely naturally choose to play - shows what a decent coach he was. Moore has had a massive impact and his introduction clearly happened on Giggs watch. Giggs also had a natural feel for the game and we were far more fluid under him. He achieved qualification despite throwing so many youngsters into the mix Just a shame Giggs character flaws destroyed what would probably have been a decent managerial career. I don't think that's accurate tbh. I think you're giving Giggs far too much credit for his ability as a coach and glossing over some of the uninspiring football we played under him. There were a good couple of early performances against very poor sides in China and Ireland where we played good football, but then we looked disjointed for most of his tenure. The climax was the Azerbaijan game, where having played poorly and lost against Croatia and Hungary away, we played even worse and only just got the win against Azerbaijan through an own goal and a Bale header that barely crossed the line. There was lots of discontentment at the CCS with how things were going at that time. Had we failed to beat Azerbaijan (which we probably didn't deserve to) we probably wouldn't have qualified. I remember Giggs having to explain his philosophy and his footballing principles when questioned by journos at the time because there was no clear style of play. To his credit, he then brought in Moore and Morrell for the Belarus friendly, although probably out of desperation more than anything planned, and they turned it around for us in the remainder of the campaign where we played well and got the results. He ended his tenure with a few uninspiring performances in the nations league against Finland, Bulgaria and Ireland - I think it was understandable, it was shortly after Covid so everyone were sort of in pre season mode after a long lay off, but it definitely wasn't free-flowing football. So this picture you're creating of the wonderful football we played under Giggs and how that's now gone to shit under Page is wide of the mark imo. In reality, there were only a handful of those types of performances under Giggs and i would argue Page has done something similar (Turkey at the Euros, Czech away, Finland away, Belarus at home, Belgium at home in the Nations League). We've had our most successful periods when recognising our limitations and playing to our strengths. You could argue that Hughes and Coleman were very conservative too, but it brought great success. I think, following what we saw at the world cup, that it's right to almost return to the basics, focus on being compact and difficult to break down first and foremost, and getting the results that way. Hopefully we'll start to see a little more at the other end with the return of Johnson and Brooks and after the new coaches have had more time to spend with the squad. |
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Post by dai on Mar 30, 2023 10:19:25 GMT
How many of Kieffer's goals for us have been headers?
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Post by morg on Mar 30, 2023 11:34:25 GMT
How many of Kieffer's goals for us have been headers? 6 |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 30, 2023 13:34:37 GMT
I do remember Giggs's pre-match press conference for that Belarus friendly. He was asked by a journo "why should fans buy a ticket and come along?" as tickets sold really poorly for that one being after the Azerbaijan qualifier
Giggs's response was "because you might get to see some players for the first time, who could go on to contribute a lot to Welsh football over these next few years"
I don't think Giggs was some kind of prophet, but he was spot on as Moore and Morrell made their debuts that night, and they're now both nailed on starters for us
They've been the real achievements of the Giggs scouting process
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Post by morg on Mar 30, 2023 14:01:44 GMT
I do remember Giggs's pre-match press conference for that Belarus friendly. He was asked by a journo "why should fans buy a ticket and come along?" as tickets sold really poorly for that one being after the Azerbaijan qualifier Giggs's response was "because you might get to see some players for the first time, who could go on to contribute a lot to Welsh football over these next few years" I don't think Giggs was some kind of prophet, but he was spot on as Moore and Morrell made their debuts that night, and they're now both nailed on starters for us They've been the real achievements of the Giggs scouting process Seem to remember that Giggs was pretty instrumental in getting Mepham on board also. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 30, 2023 14:05:07 GMT
I do remember Giggs's pre-match press conference for that Belarus friendly. He was asked by a journo "why should fans buy a ticket and come along?" as tickets sold really poorly for that one being after the Azerbaijan qualifier Giggs's response was "because you might get to see some players for the first time, who could go on to contribute a lot to Welsh football over these next few years" I don't think Giggs was some kind of prophet, but he was spot on as Moore and Morrell made their debuts that night, and they're now both nailed on starters for us They've been the real achievements of the Giggs scouting process Seem to remember that Giggs was pretty instrumental in getting Mepham on board also. Mepham captained our under 21 side in 2017 and played for the u20s in the Toulon Tournament both prior to Giggs' appointment |
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Post by morg on Mar 30, 2023 14:36:16 GMT
Seem to remember that Giggs was pretty instrumental in getting Mepham on board also. Mepham captained our under 21 side in 2017 and played for the u20s in the Toulon Tournament both prior to Giggs' appointment And Morrell had been with Wales youth teams for years. Still gave Mepham his senior debut at 19 and went out of his way to let him know that he had a bright future with Wales. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 30, 2023 14:48:22 GMT
I do remember Giggs's pre-match press conference for that Belarus friendly. He was asked by a journo "why should fans buy a ticket and come along?" as tickets sold really poorly for that one being after the Azerbaijan qualifier Giggs's response was "because you might get to see some players for the first time, who could go on to contribute a lot to Welsh football over these next few years" I don't think Giggs was some kind of prophet, but he was spot on as Moore and Morrell made their debuts that night, and they're now both nailed on starters for us They've been the real achievements of the Giggs scouting process Seem to remember that Giggs was pretty instrumental in getting Mepham on board also. Giggs definitely promoted several players quickly. Mepham I think was less of a "find" because as mentioned he had done very well with the U21s and was getting regular games in the Championship with Brentford when Giggs called him up. I think a few people were calling for Mepham to move up to the seniors on this forum Moore & Morrell weren't popular names where fans were calling for them, so in that sense it's more impressive that Giggs saw something. Particularly Moore, (the first few pages on this thread are an interesting read!), as many people said was an embarrassment to our country on here and devalued the idea of a Welsh cap. Some red faces on that one in hindsight But tbf Giggs did a great job promoting players very quickly, and we are seeing the benefits now |
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 30, 2023 15:08:46 GMT
Mepham captained our under 21 side in 2017 and played for the u20s in the Toulon Tournament both prior to Giggs' appointment And Morrell had been with Wales youth teams for years. Still gave Mepham his senior debut at 19 and went out of his way to let him know that he had a bright future with Wales. Yeah he gave him his debut but I think it's a bit much to say Giggs was instrumental in getting him on board as he was already on board. He was the next man up in many ways as James Chester was starting to decline and Rodon hadn't quite broken through at Swansea The best thing Giggs did was promote the likes of Mepham etc quickly and lessened what could have been a very rough transition. For all the talk of transition we've started these last 2 games with 11 players who've qualified for and played at a Euros & a World Cup despite almost half of them being 25 or younger. Despite their age we have a pretty experienced first XI who've played with each other for years and some exciting young talent in J.James, Harris etc so it's still a pretty exciting time and I think Giggs played a big role in that. |
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