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Post by morg on Mar 30, 2023 15:16:28 GMT
And Morrell had been with Wales youth teams for years. Still gave Mepham his senior debut at 19 and went out of his way to let him know that he had a bright future with Wales. Yeah he gave him his debut but I think it's a bit much to say Giggs was instrumental in getting him on board as he was already on board. He was the next man up in many ways as James Chester was starting to decline and Rodon hadn't quite broken through at Swansea The best thing Giggs did was promote the likes of Mepham etc quickly and lessened what could have been a very rough transition. For all the talk of transition we've started these last 2 games with 11 players who've qualified for and played at a Euros & a World Cup despite almost half of them being 25 or younger. Despite their age we have a pretty experienced first XI who've played with each other for years and some exciting young talent in J.James, Harris etc so it's still a pretty exciting time and I think Giggs played a big role in that. Fair enough. Dug out the article I was referring to www.theguardian.com/football/2018/mar/21/chris-mepham-ryan-giggs-brentford-premier-league-walesand you're right, he didn't pluck him from obscurity, but definitely put his faith in youth, generally to good effect. |
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Post by underwood on Apr 4, 2023 17:50:44 GMT
How come both he & Mepham haven’t even made the bench for Bournemouth in their last 2 games? Both got knocks?
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Post by iot on Apr 4, 2023 17:56:44 GMT
How come both he & Mepham haven’t even made the bench for Bournemouth in their last 2 games? Both got knocks? They've both been relegated to the bench for a while, so there's a good chance they've just slipped down the pecking order a little futmrther |
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Post by jimexotic on Apr 4, 2023 18:33:36 GMT
If Everton and Leeds don't both go down I'd like Bournemouth to join them, that way our lads might get some games there next season. I think both Kieffer and Mepham should look to move.
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Post by surge on Apr 4, 2023 19:17:14 GMT
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Post by jimexotic on Apr 4, 2023 19:23:52 GMT
Sounds like Gary O'Neil is a bit of a dickhead, I wonder if hed have had the same issue had Solanke been called up for England?
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Post by dai on Apr 4, 2023 20:05:36 GMT
More xenophobia going on at English clubs.
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Post by surge on Apr 4, 2023 21:51:51 GMT
Surely GON's quote has been taken out of context/he's miss-spoken/he's alluding to something else? Can you imagine how big a poo you would need to be to say you don't want international players joining up with their country?
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 4, 2023 21:55:29 GMT
This is actually crazy - plenty of other players at Bournemouth went away on international duty like Billing. Yet they are straight back in the lineup?! Ridiculous! If they've actually been dropped for coming away on international duty, and it's not some other reason, then I hope they go down and our players leave as soon as they can. So unprofessional from O'Neil
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Post by iot on Apr 4, 2023 22:13:23 GMT
What am I missing? I've seen this blown up on twitter as well with lots of people suggesting they've been dropped because they joined up with Wales, but I haven't seen the manager saying that. The only quote I saw was about their attitude. Have I missed something?
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 4, 2023 22:18:56 GMT
What am I missing? I've seen this blown up on twitter as well with lots of people suggesting they've been dropped because they joined up with Wales, but I haven't seen the manager saying that. The only quote I saw was about their attitude. Have I missed something? I think O'Neil was originally asked why they had been left out altogether after doing well for Wales in the international break and this is what O'Neil said in response “You have a choice as a footballer whether you stay with the group or whether you decide that your own agenda is what you want to do and is more important. You have a choice as a footballer for how you want to handle things. We have a huge squad full of senior players at this moment, everyone’s fit, so we are going to have to disappoint some. I’m pretty sure it won’t be the same ones all the time.” The whole 'staying with the group' thing is very odd. He's either being an absolute n*b or he's not explained himself well, cos it sounds like he's saying they are being punished for "not staying with the group" or in other words, travelling away with Wales. How likely is it that they both had attitude problems? Both very down to earth guys and quiet types if you had to categorise them |
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Post by jimexotic on Apr 4, 2023 23:12:01 GMT
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Post by morg on Apr 5, 2023 6:24:36 GMT
Christie and Billing played against Fulham having played for Scotland and Denmark respectively. Maybe others too?
Define 'stay with the group' Mr O'Neil
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Post by underwood on Apr 5, 2023 6:58:17 GMT
They are looking like prime candidates to go down anyway, along with Forest & Southampton. Leicester are right back in the mix too.
Lots of Welsh players in that mix.
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Post by bobbyghoul on Apr 5, 2023 7:28:27 GMT
Stay with the group doesn't necessarily mean physically stay with the group. It could mean attitude/culture.
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Post by jimexotic on Apr 5, 2023 8:11:39 GMT
I can imagine Chris Mepham is a bit of a hellraiser and refuses to hang around with anyone than Kieffer, in late night watering holes. Lots of stories in the past about Chris letting his hair down too often when he was at Brentford and he created a drinking culture at Bournemouth when he arrived there that they probably thought they'd got under control until Kieffer arrived. Despite scoring arguably their most crucial goals last season, Kieffer was never seen off the field without a cigar in one hand and a whisky in the other. I would say banish them to train with the kids but there's a risk that the youth of Bournemouth will be on hard drugs before you can say Kieffer Moore Ballon D'or.
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Post by iot on Apr 5, 2023 8:18:32 GMT
Stay with the group doesn't necessarily mean physically stay with the group. It could mean attitude/culture. That's my thinking. I suspect it's just a really poorly articulated answer from him and that everyone's put 2 and 2 together and come up with 5. It makes zero sense that he's unhappy about their involvement in the Welsh squad. The Bournemouth socials were sending out stuff congratulating their callups and promoting the fact they were both starting. There's been no issue with other players joining up with their international sides, and neither of them have been important players for Bournemouth for a while so why would O'Neill feel aggrieved about them playing international football? It must be to do with something else. The article speculated that the 'pair's demeanour or attitude must have irritated O'Neill' which, admittedly, also seems a bit off as they've never shown a poor attitude previously. O'Neill himself referred to them prioritising their own agenda and personal ambition. God knows what he's on about, but I suspect Moore and Mepham have said something after coming back from the international break which has pissed him off. Completely speculating, but could the pair have kicked up a bit of fuss about their lack of playing time and desire to get more minutes before the next international window? Might be something that Page has encouraged all his non-playing players to do, and it's backfired in this instance with O'Neill seeing it as putting their own agendas ahead of the club's. That's ridiculously speculative, but the point is there's undoubtedly a lot more to this and I'm 90% sure it's not simply about the fact that those two players (who weren't even getting minutes anyway) made themselves available for Wales - that would just not make any sense. |
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Post by iot on Apr 5, 2023 8:20:40 GMT
I can imagine Chris Mepham is a bit of a hellraiser and refuses to hang around with anyone than Kieffer, in late night watering holes. Lots of stories in the past about Chris letting his hair down too often when he was at Brentford and he created a drinking culture at Bournemouth when he arrived there that they probably thought they'd got under control until Kieffer arrived. Despite scoring arguably their most crucial goals last season, Kieffer was never seen off the field without a cigar in one hand and a whisky in the other. I would say banish them to train with the kids but there's a risk that the youth of Bournemouth will be on hard drugs before you can say Kieffer Moore Ballon D'or. Really? I've never heard that about Mepham. Yeah if that's true, their current predicament is much more likely to do with that sort of behaviour. |
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Post by jimexotic on Apr 5, 2023 8:24:15 GMT
I was only messing, Mepham strikes me as nothing other than a dedicated pro and Kieffer not too far from that eighter. They're fringe players and Gary is probably feeling the strain and getting a little reckless.
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Post by jimexotic on Apr 5, 2023 8:27:04 GMT
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Post by njdragon on Apr 5, 2023 8:47:38 GMT
it could be as simple as them playing practically 2 x 90 min games when they probably aren't match fit due to lack of minutes club
Maybe he wanted them to manage their game time more for the run in
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Post by fiveattheback on Apr 5, 2023 8:58:47 GMT
I can imagine Chris Mepham is a bit of a hellraiser and refuses to hang around with anyone than Kieffer, in late night watering holes. Lots of stories in the past about Chris letting his hair down too often when he was at Brentford and he created a drinking culture at Bournemouth when he arrived there that they probably thought they'd got under control until Kieffer arrived. Despite scoring arguably their most crucial goals last season, Kieffer was never seen off the field without a cigar in one hand and a whisky in the other. I would say banish them to train with the kids but there's a risk that the youth of Bournemouth will be on hard drugs before you can say Kieffer Moore Ballon D'or. Really? I've never heard that about Mepham. Yeah if that's true, their current predicament is much more likely to do with that sort of behaviour. I think Jim may be joking |
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Post by underwood on Apr 30, 2023 14:55:17 GMT
Subbed on, subbed off. Injured.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 24, 2023 16:09:47 GMT
Linked with a loan move away from Bournemouth
I think he's probably a lower PL level striker who just got there too late for anyone to take a proper chance on him. He looked decent for Bournemouth when he did play, so he'd be a real coup for any Championship side
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Post by gimli on Jul 24, 2023 17:08:52 GMT
Linked with a loan move away from Bournemouth I think he's probably a lower PL level striker who just got there too late for anyone to take a proper chance on him. He looked decent for Bournemouth when he did play, so he'd be a real coup for any Championship side There's a lot of speculation on twitter that he could be returning to Cardiff following a post from an ITK who's adamant that Cardiff have been in touch with Bournemouth and that Kieffer has been down the Vale today. Probably nothing, but this ITK seemed to know a lot of details about the Ramsey transfer before the news officially broke so there could be some truth to it. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 24, 2023 18:09:01 GMT
Glad he played and scored in the PL, that capped off a remarkable rise. But I think his level is top end Championship ultimately. Cardiff would do very well to get him back, would be a great move
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 24, 2023 18:12:15 GMT
Linked with a loan move away from Bournemouth I think he's probably a lower PL level striker who just got there too late for anyone to take a proper chance on him. He looked decent for Bournemouth when he did play, so he'd be a real coup for any Championship side There's a lot of speculation on twitter that he could be returning to Cardiff following a post from an ITK who's adamant that Cardiff have been in touch with Bournemouth and that Kieffer has been down the Vale today. Probably nothing, but this ITK seemed to know a lot of details about the Ramsey transfer before the news officially broke so there could be some truth to it. Grant, Ramsey, Robinson, Moore would be one hell of a frontline in the Championship... |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 25, 2023 9:12:53 GMT
There's a lot of speculation on twitter that he could be returning to Cardiff following a post from an ITK who's adamant that Cardiff have been in touch with Bournemouth and that Kieffer has been down the Vale today. Probably nothing, but this ITK seemed to know a lot of details about the Ramsey transfer before the news officially broke so there could be some truth to it. Grant, Ramsey, Robinson, Moore would be one hell of a frontline in the Championship... And an attacking manager too, feels like we've turned a corner this season. I think the owner has been spooked by the relegation battle, he knows he'd have to get promoted again before he could sell |
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Post by paj on Jul 25, 2023 13:10:04 GMT
Does seem like a last throw of the financial dice by Cardiff.
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Post by surge on Jul 25, 2023 13:10:54 GMT
There's a lot of speculation on twitter that he could be returning to Cardiff following a post from an ITK who's adamant that Cardiff have been in touch with Bournemouth and that Kieffer has been down the Vale today. Probably nothing, but this ITK seemed to know a lot of details about the Ramsey transfer before the news officially broke so there could be some truth to it. Grant, Ramsey, Robinson, Moore would be one hell of a frontline in the Championship... Robinson has played 44 games on the right side whereas over 100 games on the left and over 100 as a forward. Grant has started pre-season games from the left side, has played 7x more often from the left than the right in his career. Kieffer's 31 by time next season starts and unlikely to fit into what Bournemouth's new manager wants to do so I can see him leaving. Only question left is where to? |
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