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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 14, 2019 19:17:15 GMT
Love that you think you're important enough and in the forefront of Welsh fans' minds when they are considering a players performance. Given people were quoting me almost instantly after he scored, it's fairly obvious I'm living rent-free in the heads of some posters on here. It's textbook schadenfreude; kind of like how everyone dementedly piles on England fans when they lose, although I accept that it comes with the territory of holding a different opinion. Goodness me you have a high opinion of yourself |
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Post by rushy on Oct 14, 2019 19:32:32 GMT
Has made an immediate impact in the two games so far, how the hell was he not seen earlier by clubs is surprising, although many lads dont make it, plenty of rough edges still but if coached or helped by someone like Iwan Roberts, he could still improve on parts of his game imo. Iwan Roberts? - who didn't score a single goal for Wales?? I think Hartson would be a better coach for him!!! Would he do it though ? |
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Post by majorraglan on Oct 14, 2019 19:44:05 GMT
He has given a 110% in each game. Well done Kieffer. Agreed, we look a better team with him up front. I thought he played well, won a lot of ball and a few free kicks from challenges on him, in all honesty I thought he was a B.T. hard done by and should have had a few more free kicks because the Croats got away with a fair bit. |
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Post by conwy10 on Oct 14, 2019 21:05:23 GMT
He has given a 110% in each game. Well done Kieffer. Agreed, we look a better team with him up front. I thought he played well, won a lot of ball and a few free kicks from challenges on him, in all honesty I thought he was a B.T. hard done by and should have had a few more free kicks because the Croats got away with a fair bit. I think having the rough treatment is part of the role he plays. I know it’s supposed to be consistent but I believe if you’re a physical striker the referee will let the defenders rough you up assuming you’re doing the same back. Leads the line well, just need to coach him to pass the ball. |
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Post by texan on Oct 15, 2019 10:20:28 GMT
Leads the line well, just need to coach him to pass the ball. Well, you do tend to see this sudden leap sometimes in some players. Someone who's ploughed the furrows in the lower leagues suddenly gets an unexpected chance higher up and their game transforms and shoots up several levels in a short space of time. Moore didn't pull up any trees over the weekend, but his presence was absolutely vital to us getting both results. What struck me most however (other than his obvious strength and aerial ability) was his movement choices and his passing awareness. Fair enough his passes didn't always come off, but where he was trying to put them was often the right decision. There's a quickness of thought there in him somewhere that shows he could be coached up a level or two, of Giggs' newbies this is something I've not seen at all in Vaulks or Lawrence. I'll certainly watch his performances for Wigan with interest over the next month to see if there's a momentum shift in him! |
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Post by llan123 on Oct 15, 2019 14:29:44 GMT
Whoever said he's the best we have for now until someone better comes along is spot on. He's been really good the last few games, granted I don't think he's the future but he'll make a good squad player over the next few campaigns. Perfect to bring on an ruffle a few feathers, he's clearly very committed.
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Post by welwyn on Oct 20, 2019 12:59:45 GMT
Starting for Wigan
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Post by manulike on Oct 23, 2019 18:26:27 GMT
Kieffer played 80' and ran himself into the ground. Unlucky not to score (twice...). Lovely first touch and great control of the ball, for a big fella.
Tom Lawrence also had a very good 90' - looked very lively and had at least three efforts on goal.
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Post by manulike on Oct 27, 2019 13:26:00 GMT
Kieffer v Ash ;-)
On ROBINS TV
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Post by manulike on Oct 27, 2019 14:19:38 GMT
Had a few decent touches from outside the box and always looks dangerous in the air.
Won the header from the corner for the Wigan assisted goal.
Ash looks very solid and confident.
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 2, 2019 13:04:51 GMT
Head from heaven...six foot seven
Finally off the mark for Wigan with a penalty.
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Post by manulike on Nov 2, 2019 14:23:23 GMT
MOTM by Sky tv, although Connor stole the show with an assist at the death ;-)
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Post by barry on Nov 2, 2019 14:44:17 GMT
VG performance today.
Won everything in the air.
Took his pen really coolly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 14:50:10 GMT
They lost at home.
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Post by barry on Nov 2, 2019 15:01:17 GMT
Bit of a robbery but Swansea defended valiantly and Woodman didn,t really have a save to make (apart from the pen which many refs would not have given). |
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Post by manulike on Nov 16, 2019 19:21:56 GMT
WELL PLAYED, KIEFFER ;-)
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Post by dai on Nov 16, 2019 19:34:49 GMT
Could (should?) have scored a hatrick. Great work rate.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 16, 2019 20:19:23 GMT
Top class performance! What a difference he's made to our team!
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2019 20:36:15 GMT
I remember a Bristol Rovers fan who has an eye for a player pleading with the club to buy him when he was playing non-league, with Truro IIRC. Can’t believe he’s now scoring goals at international level for Wales.
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Post by gruffudd on Nov 16, 2019 20:45:56 GMT
Has transformed Wales.
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Post by abwales on Nov 16, 2019 21:25:18 GMT
Just needs a feet transplant and he'll be amazing.
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Post by welshiron on Nov 16, 2019 21:30:43 GMT
Really? Changed the way Giggs has played but I honestly think Vokes would of scored at least one tonight. If he had an average first touch he would be a decent player Doing really well for us and a certain starter for now but think people are getting carried away a bit. |
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Post by alarch on Nov 16, 2019 21:44:38 GMT
It's really weird. Unsurprisingly, Moore's touch leaves a lot to be desired, but it's no exaggeration that he is currently the most important player in the team. Not the best, obviously, just the most important. He gives us balance and options in how we play the game. What I liked about tonight - and we should credit Giggs here - is that we didn't just continually throw it up to Moore. We played a lot of stuff on the floor, reflected in a pass completion of 92% - which Barcelona would have been pleased with. I really can't remember another Welsh player of limited ability being as influential as Moore. Can't get my head around it at all...
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2019 21:53:18 GMT
Really? Changed the way Giggs has played but I honestly think Vokes would of scored at least one tonight. If he had an average first touch he would be a decent player Doing really well for us and a certain starter for now but think people are getting carried away a bit. Vokes has missed so many sitters for Wales that it’s hard to say with any confidence he would have done as well if not better with the chances Moore has had. Also on the point about people getting carried away dare I say it’s because we have seen so much of Vokes that we have forgotten how a decent centre forward *should* play to the point where an ostensibly fairly average one like Moore can look world class to our tired eyes simply because he actually wins a header, gets around the pitch, wins free kicks and sucks in defenders. All of which Vokes never managed to do to any great effect. I’ve certainly never seen him occupy defenders like Moore has- if I had I wouldn’t be so critical of him! In addition it’s all of that stuff that means that Moore’s poor control of the ball is not actually that big a deal, which is a hell of a thing to say at international level. |
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Post by iot on Nov 16, 2019 22:12:12 GMT
Really? Changed the way Giggs has played but I honestly think Vokes would of scored at least one tonight. If he had an average first touch he would be a decent player Doing really well for us and a certain starter for now but think people are getting carried away a bit. Vokes has missed so many sitters for Wales that it’s hard to say with any confidence he would have done as well if not better with the chances Moore has had. Also on the point about people getting carried away dare I say it’s because we have seen so much of Vokes that we have forgotten how a decent centre forward *should* play to the point where an ostensibly fairly average one like Moore can look world class to our tired eyes simply because he actually wins a header, gets around the pitch, wins free kicks and sucks in defenders. All of which Vokes never managed to do to any great effect. I’ve certainly never seen him occupy defenders like Moore has- if I had I wouldn’t be so critical of him! In addition it’s all of that stuff that means that Moore’s poor control of the ball is not actually that big a deal, which is a hell of a thing to say at international level. Agree - Moore is a much bigger asset than vokes. Not because of his goalscoring threat but because of the way he can make the ball stick. He again won the vast majority of his duels today while vokes always used to lose most of those duels. |
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Post by dai on Nov 16, 2019 22:18:23 GMT
Really? Changed the way Giggs has played but I honestly think Vokes would of scored at least one tonight. If he had an average first touch he would be a decent player Doing really well for us and a certain starter for now but think people are getting carried away a bit. You wont be convinced will you? Sounding a bit silly now clinging on to this Vokes argument. He did have a few poor touches today and fluffed a couple of decent chances, but still was way more good than bad. |
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Post by gruffudd on Nov 16, 2019 22:55:15 GMT
Really? Changed the way Giggs has played but I honestly think Vokes would of scored at least one tonight. If he had an average first touch he would be a decent player Doing really well for us and a certain starter for now but think people are getting carried away a bit. Really - Yes. Is a real focal point, we have a small pool of players and we have to play to our strength, like 2016, 3 at the back, box midfield, energetic fullbacks, not too many world beaters there, but getting the most out of what we have, 2 No 10s. Now, solid base with 2 sitters, little more direct, runners from deep and beyond. Moore is very effective in what he does, won every header tonight, most European teams will not have come up against a player like him. He wont trouble the Welsh scoring record but effective, Vokes can back up. Transformed from where we were a year ago? Yes. |
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Post by manulike on Nov 16, 2019 23:01:15 GMT
Really? Changed the way Giggs has played but I honestly think Vokes would of scored at least one tonight. If he had an average first touch he would be a decent player Doing really well for us and a certain starter for now but think people are getting carried away a bit. Really - Yes. Is a real focal point, we have a small pool of players and we have to play to our strength, like 2016, 3 at the back, box midfield, energetic fullbacks, not too many world beaters there, but getting the most out of what we have, 2 No 10s. Now, solid base with 2 sitters, little more direct, runners from deep and beyond. Moore is very effective in what he does, won every header tonight, most European teams will not have come up against a player like him. He wont trouble the Welsh scoring record but effective, Vokes can back up. Transformed from where we were a year ago? Yes. Agree completely and well done for perfecting your World Wide Web skills in such a short time ;-) |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 16, 2019 23:05:12 GMT
Really? Changed the way Giggs has played but I honestly think Vokes would of scored at least one tonight. If he had an average first touch he would be a decent player Doing really well for us and a certain starter for now but think people are getting carried away a bit. Really - Yes. Is a real focal point, we have a small pool of players and we have to play to our strength, like 2016, 3 at the back, box midfield, energetic fullbacks, not too many world beaters there, but getting the most out of what we have, 2 No 10s. Now, solid base with 2 sitters, little more direct, runners from deep and beyond. Moore is very effective in what he does, won every header tonight, most European teams will not have come up against a player like him. He wont trouble the Welsh scoring record but effective, Vokes can back up. Transformed from where we were a year ago? Yes. If we do a box midfield we’ve just nullified James. I’d rather him/Bale/Brooks putting in crosses to Davies and Roberts. I think our formation is fine, just need the best personnel to be available |
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Post by gruffudd on Nov 16, 2019 23:10:28 GMT
welshiron Really - Yes. Is a real focal point, we have a small pool of players and we have to play to our strength, like 2016, 3 at the back, box midfield, energetic fullbacks, not too many world beaters there, but getting the most out of what we have, 2 No 10s. Now, solid base with 2 sitters, little more direct, runners from deep and beyond. Moore is very effective in what he does, won every header tonight, most European teams will not have come up against a player like him. He wont trouble the Welsh scoring record but effective, Vokes can back up. Transformed from where we were a year ago? Yes. If we do a box midfield we’ve just nullified James. I’d rather him/Bale/Brooks putting in crosses to Davies and Roberts. I think our formation is fine, just need the best personnel to be available conwy10 agreed see above. |
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