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Post by dai on Oct 13, 2019 21:02:14 GMT
Hope tonight settles the Moore debate. Top performance against WC finalists.
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Post by insertname on Oct 13, 2019 21:17:44 GMT
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 13, 2019 21:20:53 GMT
Da iawn Kieffer!
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 13, 2019 21:35:12 GMT
Welsh Legend in 3 games. Charles, Rush and Bellamy step aside, there's a new sheriff in town.
It doesn't take much to please us, does it?
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 13, 2019 22:03:00 GMT
Head from heaven, 6 foot seven
Feed me til I’m Kieffer Moore!
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Post by alarch on Oct 13, 2019 22:09:37 GMT
Head from heaven, 6 foot seven Feed me til I’m Kieffer Moore! Brilliant! If it's not a chant/song already it should be. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 13, 2019 22:13:25 GMT
Head from heaven, 6 foot seven Feed me til I’m Kieffer Moore! Brilliant! If it's not a chant/song already it should be. Heard it out in Slovakia and piped up now and again in the Canton 2nd half. It’ll stick. |
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Post by richierich333 on Oct 14, 2019 7:27:53 GMT
Welsh Legend in 3 games. Charles, Rush and Bellamy step aside, there's a new sheriff in town. It doesn't take much to please us, does it? Let it go. Be pleased to be proven wrong and that we're playing far, far better with a proper 9. |
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 14, 2019 8:20:09 GMT
Welsh Legend in 3 games. Charles, Rush and Bellamy step aside, there's a new sheriff in town. It doesn't take much to please us, does it? Let it go. Be pleased to be proven wrong and that we're playing far, far better with a proper 9. I genuinely don't think he's made as much difference as you'd like to believe. We've drawn 2 games and they were both cutting it fine. He's no improvement on what we have or had, it's just that you're relieved you can celebrate him now because you think he's proven me wrong. Vokes would have and has scored goals like those, often. Our play since including Moore has been par for the course. If we win games and he's contributing goals on a regular basis, I'll admit being wrong about him, but I'm not going to hero-worship him for getting the basics right in largely forgettable matches. |
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Post by richierich333 on Oct 14, 2019 8:50:00 GMT
Let it go. Be pleased to be proven wrong and that we're playing far, far better with a proper 9. I genuinely don't think he's made as much difference as you'd like to believe. We've drawn 2 games and they were both cutting it fine. He's no improvement on what we have or had, it's just that you're relieved you can celebrate him now because you think he's proven me wrong. Vokes would have and has scored goals like those, often. Our play since including Moore has been par for the course. If we win games and he's contributing goals on a regular basis, I'll admit being wrong about him, but I'm not going to hero-worship him for getting the basics right in largely forgettable matches. I'm not gloating about being right or hero worshipping. We are playing better with a proper 9. He's an upgrade on Vokes already, from where I'm sitting. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 14, 2019 9:01:50 GMT
Let it go. Be pleased to be proven wrong and that we're playing far, far better with a proper 9. I genuinely don't think he's made as much difference as you'd like to believe. We've drawn 2 games and they were both cutting it fine. He's no improvement on what we have or had, it's just that you're relieved you can celebrate him now because you think he's proven me wrong. Vokes would have and has scored goals like those, often. Our play since including Moore has been par for the course. If we win games and he's contributing goals on a regular basis, I'll admit being wrong about him, but I'm not going to hero-worship him for getting the basics right in largely forgettable matches. Haha what? You were saying he shouldn't be in the squad before! Why does he have to score goals on a regular basis now for you to be wrong? The truth is these two results have set us up brilliantly for the final games, and Moore has contributed to that. I'm glad we've included him and so should you be. |
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 14, 2019 9:18:26 GMT
I genuinely don't think he's made as much difference as you'd like to believe. We've drawn 2 games and they were both cutting it fine. He's no improvement on what we have or had, it's just that you're relieved you can celebrate him now because you think he's proven me wrong. Vokes would have and has scored goals like those, often. Our play since including Moore has been par for the course. If we win games and he's contributing goals on a regular basis, I'll admit being wrong about him, but I'm not going to hero-worship him for getting the basics right in largely forgettable matches. Haha what? You were saying he shouldn't be in the squad before! Why does he have to score goals on a regular basis now for you to be wrong? The truth is these two results have set us up brilliantly for the final games, and Moore has contributed to that. I'm glad we've included him and so should you be. We shouldn't have, but seeing as he's probably one of Giggs' favourites now, he'll have to deliver. "Playing much better" won't cut it when the only thing that matters is the score. |
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Post by insertname on Oct 14, 2019 9:31:33 GMT
Haha what? You were saying he shouldn't be in the squad before! Why does he have to score goals on a regular basis now for you to be wrong? The truth is these two results have set us up brilliantly for the final games, and Moore has contributed to that. I'm glad we've included him and so should you be. We shouldn't have, but seeing as he's probably one of Giggs' favourites now, he'll have to deliver. "Playing much better" won't cut it when the only thing that matters is the score. I’m sure there are plenty of sides much better than us that would consider a draw at home to Croatia, especially after being a goal down, as a good result. When you suggest that we shouldn’t have started Moore who would you have instead? Lawrence? Bale? Vokes? I don’t think anyone can say with a straight face that any of those 3 proved themselves to be better than Moore when given the chance. Bale is obviously a far more talented player but he lacked the ability to put himself about in the way Moore did and the goals hardly rained down for him when played as a direct striker for a Wales. Moore is by far our best option currently. |
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Post by barry on Oct 14, 2019 9:46:01 GMT
Head from heaven, 6 foot seven Feed me til I’m Kieffer Moore! I'll refuse to sing that song and try and correct the people around me. He's only six foot five. However, I will join in with this verse should it be added. Born in Devon, head from heaven Feed me til I’m Kieffer Moore! All factually correct. Yours Mr Logic |
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Post by TheWelshWay on Oct 14, 2019 9:59:44 GMT
Head from heaven, 6 foot seven Feed me til I’m Kieffer Moore! I'll refuse to sing that song and try and correct the people around me. He's only six foot five. However, I will join in with this verse should it be added. Born in Devon, head from heaven Feed me til I’m Kieffer Moore! All factually correct. Yours Mr Logic 'Bred in Devon' works better than born - and a bit of embellishment and adding a few extra inches isn't a bad thing hahaha |
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Post by TheWelshWay on Oct 14, 2019 10:02:25 GMT
Let it go. Be pleased to be proven wrong and that we're playing far, far better with a proper 9. I genuinely don't think he's made as much difference as you'd like to believe. We've drawn 2 games and they were both cutting it fine. He's no improvement on what we have or had, it's just that you're relieved you can celebrate him now because you think he's proven me wrong. Vokes would have and has scored goals like those, often. Our play since including Moore has been par for the course. If we win games and he's contributing goals on a regular basis, I'll admit being wrong about him, but I'm not going to hero-worship him for getting the basics right in largely forgettable matches. Love that you think you're important enough and in the forefront of Welsh fans' minds when they are considering a players performance. |
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Post by iot on Oct 14, 2019 10:03:36 GMT
I appreciate what vokes has done for us in the past, but I've never seen him dominate defences like Moore has over the last couple of games. I was sceptical about starting a rookie with no goals all season, but am eating plenty of humble pie now! I don't expect Moore to be a major goal threat going forward, but that's not his primary role. For much of last night he was our only outlet - he wins 9/10 of aerial battles, Vokes only gets around 2/10. It gave us a foothold in the game so his contribution was more important than any others in my view.
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Post by richierich333 on Oct 14, 2019 10:05:22 GMT
The ratings for his Wigan games have been high, even if he has not been scoring. I'm sure the goals will come in the league once he gets the first one.
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 14, 2019 10:35:36 GMT
I genuinely don't think he's made as much difference as you'd like to believe. We've drawn 2 games and they were both cutting it fine. He's no improvement on what we have or had, it's just that you're relieved you can celebrate him now because you think he's proven me wrong. Vokes would have and has scored goals like those, often. Our play since including Moore has been par for the course. If we win games and he's contributing goals on a regular basis, I'll admit being wrong about him, but I'm not going to hero-worship him for getting the basics right in largely forgettable matches. Love that you think you're important enough and in the forefront of Welsh fans' minds when they are considering a players performance. Given people were quoting me almost instantly after he scored, it's fairly obvious I'm living rent-free in the heads of some posters on here. It's textbook schadenfreude; kind of like how everyone dementedly piles on England fans when they lose, although I accept that it comes with the territory of holding a different opinion. |
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Post by richierich333 on Oct 14, 2019 10:48:22 GMT
You were using phrases like 'free loading clogger' before he'd even kicked a ball. It's not having an opinion if you've drawn conclusions before the event.
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Post by insertname on Oct 14, 2019 11:32:29 GMT
The ratings for his Wigan games have been high, even if he has not been scoring. I'm sure the goals will come in the league once he gets the first one. I was reading about the moneyball-esque approach taken by matey at Brentford and how goal ratios are rarely a consideration when recruiting a striker, it is more about analysing the overall effect on the team. After seeing Moore in a Welsh shirt I can appreciate the value of that approach as he may not get many for us but he seems to warrant a place if only because he gives us an attacking foothold and helps the ball 'stick' in the final 3rd of the pitch. He also showed signs of linking up well with Williams on occasion, a pairing that may become more proficient with more games played. |
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Post by rushy on Oct 14, 2019 14:00:26 GMT
Has made an immediate impact in the two games so far, how the hell was he not seen earlier by clubs is surprising, although many lads dont make it, plenty of rough edges still but if coached or helped by someone like Iwan Roberts, he could still improve on parts of his game imo.
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Post by barry on Oct 14, 2019 14:20:10 GMT
Has made an immediate impact in the two games so far, how the hell was he not seen earlier by clubs is surprising, although many lads dont make it, plenty of rough edges still but if coached or helped by someone like Iwan Roberts, he could still improve on parts of his game imo. He's done well considering he was released by the mighty Yeovil at 23. Probably too much showboating !!! Seems a nice bloke who's willing to bust a gut for the team so good luck to him. |
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Post by rushlegend on Oct 14, 2019 14:40:54 GMT
Head from heaven, 6 foot seven
Feed me til I’m Kieffer Moore
He's Kieffer Moore he's six foot four!!
Well six foot five but never mind!!!
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Post by rushlegend on Oct 14, 2019 14:42:23 GMT
Has made an immediate impact in the two games so far, how the hell was he not seen earlier by clubs is surprising, although many lads dont make it, plenty of rough edges still but if coached or helped by someone like Iwan Roberts, he could still improve on parts of his game imo.
Iwan Roberts? - who didn't score a single goal for Wales??
I think Hartson would be a better coach for him!!!
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Post by garynysmon on Oct 14, 2019 15:58:18 GMT
I appreciate what vokes has done for us in the past, but I've never seen him dominate defences like Moore has over the last couple of games. I was sceptical about starting a rookie with no goals all season, but am eating plenty of humble pie now! I don't expect Moore to be a major goal threat going forward, but that's not his primary role. For much of last night he was our only outlet - he wins 9/10 of aerial battles, Vokes only gets around 2/10. It gave us a foothold in the game so his contribution was more important than any others in my view. Its his agilty that stands out for me. Not only is he good in the air but he's able to make runs etc, reminds me a bit of Hal Robson-Kanu. He won a free kick (the one Bale hit the wall with) thanks to his sheer tenacity. Whereas Vokes would also have won the initial header, Moore is more agile and was able to follow the initial header up and just get there before the second covering defender to win a free kick. I really like the look of him tbh. |
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Post by cadno on Oct 14, 2019 16:01:20 GMT
Let it go. Be pleased to be proven wrong and that we're playing far, far better with a proper 9. I genuinely don't think he's made as much difference as you'd like to believe. We've drawn 2 games and they were both cutting it fine. He's no improvement on what we have or had, it's just that you're relieved you can celebrate him now because you think he's proven me wrong. Vokes would have and has scored goals like those, often. Our play since including Moore has been par for the course. If we win games and he's contributing goals on a regular basis, I'll admit being wrong about him, but I'm not going to hero-worship him for getting the basics right in largely forgettable matches. Wasn't one of our other good shows under Giggs the thrashing of China, where Vokes started? If 1 or 2 of Brooks / Ramsey / Bale / James/ Wilson aren't available, then we should start with Moore or Vokes up top. |
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Post by cadno on Oct 14, 2019 16:02:01 GMT
Hal Robson-Kanu would be a better option than Moore, but there's no point living in the past.
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Post by vader on Oct 14, 2019 16:11:36 GMT
Impressed by his work rate and mobility for his size. Really put in a shift last night, and it was all the ugly, thankless tasks for the team.
At this point, he's got to be first choice until someone else can do better.
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Oct 14, 2019 19:08:17 GMT
He has given a 110% in each game.
Well done Kieffer.
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