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Post by iot on Nov 26, 2019 14:18:27 GMT
We scored 10 goals in qualifying, and people won't give Bradshaw a chance. I don't get it, if he scores 15+ this season should he still be overlooked? he won't score 15+ from the bench, that's for certain |
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Post by cadno on Nov 26, 2019 15:18:59 GMT
We scored 10 goals in qualifying, and people won't give Bradshaw a chance. I don't get it, if he scores 15+ this season should he still be overlooked? he won't score 15+ from the bench, that's for certain He only needs another 9, my money is on him getting 15+ , providing he avoids any injuries. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 26, 2019 15:44:07 GMT
I donāt think we need to force a āgoal scoring 9ā into our squad if we donāt have one that really stands out as deserving a place. Yes Bradshaw is more built from this ilk and deserves a chance in a friendly, but it seems heās in and out of the Milwall team right now, and thereās no guarantee heās going to keep up his form and then translate it to international level.
Furthermore, I donāt think we actually need this type of player in our system. Between Bale, Ramsey, James and Brooks we have enough goal scoring firepower to not need another goal scorer in there. Itās more important that we have a striker that brings the best out of these players than anything else, as this supplements our strengths. I think Giggs will go for Vokes as a back up for an injury to Moore, but beyond that we are better off altering the system to get a rotating front four of Bale, James, Ramsey and Brooks. At least our opponents wonāt necessarily be prepared for that, whereas swapping like for like poses them less problems if they are wel prepared. Bale dropping deep isnāt a problem as long as someone recognises this and moves into the 9 position. We have the players to do it if they are all fit, but we havenāt had that since the Ireland game.
If Bradshaw plays well in a friendly and gets 15/20 in the Championship then he could be included. But thereās definitely an argument that he just doesnāt suit the way we want to play at the moment.
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Post by insertname on Nov 26, 2019 16:17:43 GMT
I donāt think we need to force a āgoal scoring 9ā into our squad if we donāt have one that really stands out as deserving a place. Yes Bradshaw is more built from this ilk and deserves a chance in a friendly, but it seems heās in and out of the Milwall team right now, and thereās no guarantee heās going to keep up his form and then translate it to international level. Furthermore, I donāt think we actually need this type of player in our system. Between Bale, Ramsey, James and Brooks we have enough goal scoring firepower to not need another goal scorer in there. Itās more important that we have a striker that brings the best out of these players than anything else, as this supplements our strengths. I think Giggs will go for Vokes as a back up for an injury to Moore, but beyond that we are better off altering the system to get a rotating front four of Bale, James, Ramsey and Brooks. At least our opponents wonāt necessarily be prepared for that, whereas swapping like for like poses them less problems if they are wel prepared. Bale dropping deep isnāt a problem as long as someone recognises this and moves into the 9 position. We have the players to do it if they are all fit, but we havenāt had that since the Ireland game. If Bradshaw plays well in a friendly and gets 15/20 in the Championship then he could be included. But thereās definitely an argument that he just doesnāt suit the way we want to play at the moment. You make a good argument in principle, but it seems like youāre over-looking the major flaw and the reason for that flaw: as pointed out above we only scored 10 goals this campaign, so to say āwe only need Bale Ramsey Brooks and Jamesā is not quite right because they were all Welsh players during this campaign and we didnāt score many at all. The crucial part is obviously that, apart from James, they all suffered injuries and will all do so again in future. We have no magical guarantee that all 4 will be fit for the Euros, or looking beyond that. So whilst I agree in a perfect world we would say āwe only need these 4ā we know better than most that in reality those 4 will rarely all be available. Look how often we have had Ramsey Allen and Bale in the same team and that was only 3 we had to keep fit! So the more options we can have confidence in to come in and shore up the cracks, the better. Edit: I agree that he *doesnāt* suit the way we normally want to play, but thatās why Iām keen to see him (or someone else) get a chance so we have a different way of playing. In the Euros we had no plan B or idea of how to chase a deficit with time running out. Colemanās conservative nature meant he was clueless to how to take the game to Portugal and threw on two strikers but it was obvious that we had no idea how to utilise them because we had never practiced for that eventuality. |
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Post by TheWelshWay on Nov 26, 2019 16:34:35 GMT
I donāt think we need to force a āgoal scoring 9ā into our squad if we donāt have one that really stands out as deserving a place. Yes Bradshaw is more built from this ilk and deserves a chance in a friendly, but it seems heās in and out of the Milwall team right now, and thereās no guarantee heās going to keep up his form and then translate it to international level. Furthermore, I donāt think we actually need this type of player in our system. Between Bale, Ramsey, James and Brooks we have enough goal scoring firepower to not need another goal scorer in there. Itās more important that we have a striker that brings the best out of these players than anything else, as this supplements our strengths. I think Giggs will go for Vokes as a back up for an injury to Moore, but beyond that we are better off altering the system to get a rotating front four of Bale, James, Ramsey and Brooks. At least our opponents wonāt necessarily be prepared for that, whereas swapping like for like poses them less problems if they are wel prepared. Bale dropping deep isnāt a problem as long as someone recognises this and moves into the 9 position. We have the players to do it if they are all fit, but we havenāt had that since the Ireland game. If Bradshaw plays well in a friendly and gets 15/20 in the Championship then he could be included. But thereās definitely an argument that he just doesnāt suit the way we want to play at the moment. You make a good argument in principle, but it seems like youāre over-looking the major flaw and the reason for that flaw: as pointed out above we only scored 10 goals this campaign, so to say āwe only need Bale Ramsey Brooks and Jamesā is not quite right because they were all Welsh players during this campaign and we didnāt score many at all. The crucial part is obviously that, apart from James, they all suffered injuries and will all do so again in future. We have no magical guarantee that all 4 will be fit for the Euros, or looking beyond that. So whilst I agree in a perfect world we would say āwe only need these 4ā we know better than most that in reality those 4 will rarely all be available. Look how often we have had Ramsey Allen and Bale in the same team and that was only 3 we had to keep fit! So the more options we can have confidence in to come in and shore up the cracks, the better. Edit: I agree that he *doesnāt* suit the way we normally want to play, but thatās why Iām keen to see him (or someone else) get a chance so we have a different way of playing. In the Euros we had no plan B or idea of how to chase a deficit with time running out. Colemanās conservative nature meant he was clueless to how to take the game to Portugal and threw on two strikers but it was obvious that we had no idea how to utilise them because we had never practiced for that eventuality. We did score 6 of goals in the final 4 games (i.e. once KM and the system was established).
Agree, we do need a back up plan - but i don't think Giggs will opt for another out and out striker and will prefer to use Lawrence, Matondo or T.Roberts for any back up plan.
Vokes will be injury replacement for plan A (worryingly).
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Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 26, 2019 16:34:48 GMT
I think Kieffer Moore should continue as first choice until/unless the system finally fails or his form nosedives. As happened with John Hartson in his latter games, our system got found out and then nullified by the opposition.
It's a bit of a novelty having a big, mobile centre forward upfront again (you could never accuse Vokes of being mobile), and long may the novelty continue.
He's been a breath of fresh air since he came into the team. Before that we'd been very poor, and I don't think we'd have qualified but for his inclusion and the change in tactics.
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Post by alarch on Nov 26, 2019 16:55:32 GMT
It's very hard to see Bradshaw making a compelling case for inclusion in our 23 man squad, given that's he's playing at Championship level for Millwall. It's also not clear that Rowett rates him, and he may find himself out in the cold. But having said all this he's one I would like to see more of in friendlies. I think he's a better player than people are giving him credit, with an ability to link play as well as being a fox-in-the-box. In the absence of a like-for-like replacement for Moore Bradshaw is proper a better fit tactically than most of our other options (not that there are many). The question is - is he good enough? Probably not, but I'd like to see him being given a chance in a friendly, like Moore, surrounded by quality players.
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Post by insertname on Nov 26, 2019 17:04:37 GMT
I think Kieffer Moore should continue as first choice until/unless the system finally fails or his form nosedives. As happened with John Hartson in his latter games, our system got found out and then nullified by the opposition. It's a bit of a novelty having a big, mobile centre forward upfront again (you could never accuse Vokes of being mobile), and long may the novelty continue. He's been a breath of fresh air since he came into the team. Before that we'd been very poor, and I don't think we'd have qualified but for his inclusion and the change in tactics. The novelty has been noticed and picked up on and I think thatās one of the big reasons for his success: perhaps defenders at international level have forgotten how to deal with the British target man style of footballer? Or at least one so combative? Itās likely he will at some point become a victim of his success but no point worrying about when that day will come, so long as we have plan B. |
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Post by welshiron on Nov 26, 2019 17:28:40 GMT
I think Kieffer Moore should continue as first choice until/unless the system finally fails or his form nosedives. As happened with John Hartson in his latter games, our system got found out and then nullified by the opposition. It's a bit of a novelty having a big, mobile centre forward upfront again (you could never accuse Vokes of being mobile), and long may the novelty continue. He's been a breath of fresh air since he came into the team. Before that we'd been very poor, and I don't think we'd have qualified but for his inclusion and the change in tactics. The novelty has been noticed and picked up on and I think thatās one of the big reasons for his success: perhaps defenders at international level have forgotten how to deal with the British target man style of footballer? Or at least one so combative? Itās likely he will at some point become a victim of his success but no point worrying about when that day will come, so long as we have plan B. B for Bradshaw How are you Tomš¤£ |
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Post by alarch on Nov 26, 2019 19:14:29 GMT
Bradshaw and Moore both starting tonight - head to head. Should be interesting.
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Post by insertname on Nov 26, 2019 20:45:39 GMT
The novelty has been noticed and picked up on and I think thatās one of the big reasons for his success: perhaps defenders at international level have forgotten how to deal with the British target man style of footballer? Or at least one so combative? Itās likely he will at some point become a victim of his success but no point worrying about when that day will come, so long as we have plan B. B for Bradshaw How are you Tomš¤£ Great thanks, I'm in the starting line up tonight which is more than can be said for your lad at Stoke  |
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Post by quetzal on Dec 5, 2019 22:53:17 GMT
Just listening to Danny Gabbidon on the Elis James podcast and he reckons if itās too hot in Baku weāll have to change our style. We wonāt be able to mix it up as much. Less long balls to Kieffer, hold on to it more. Is it really going to be that hot?
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Post by manulike on Dec 5, 2019 23:01:27 GMT
Just listening to Danny Gabbidon on the Elis James podcast and he reckons if itās too hot in Baku weāll have to change our style. We wonāt be able to mix it up as much. Less long balls to Kieffer, hold on to it more. Is it really going to be that hot? At least as hot as Guatemala and even more sticky / humid. Another factor is the wind - it is almost always windy there, so the long ball game is probably a gamble. Keeping it on the ground and the Cookie style Tiki-Taka - i reckon ;-)
#Yes.We.Can
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Post by quetzal on Dec 5, 2019 23:11:25 GMT
Just listening to Danny Gabbidon on the Elis James podcast and he reckons if itās too hot in Baku weāll have to change our style. We wonāt be able to mix it up as much. Less long balls to Kieffer, hold on to it more. Is it really going to be that hot? AtĀ least as hot as Guatemala and even more sticky / humid. Another factor is the wind - it is almost always windy there, so the long ball game is probably a gamble. Keeping it on the ground and the Cookie style Tiki-Taka - i reckon ;-) #Yes.We.Can
No Kieffer then? |
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Post by manulike on Dec 5, 2019 23:46:08 GMT
At least as hot as Guatemala and even more sticky / humid. Another factor is the wind - it is almost always windy there, so the long ball game is probably a gamble. Keeping it on the ground and the Cookie style Tiki-Taka - i reckon ;-) #Yes.We.Can
No Kieffer then? I have only seen him play twice for Wigan and 2 and 1/2 games for us. From what I have seen of him he absolutely can play football and has a lot more than only aerial ability. There will be plenty of water to flow in the Caspian sea til June - but he is not a bad option ;-)
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Post by quetzal on Dec 6, 2019 1:01:39 GMT
I have only seen him play twice for Wigan and 2 and 1/2 games for us. From what I have seen of him he absolutely can play football and has a lot more than only aerial ability. There will be plenty of water to flow in the Caspian sea til June - but he is not a bad option ;-)
Get him in there. I bet he wins us a penalty through VAR |
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Post by manulike on Dec 6, 2019 22:38:42 GMT
I have only seen him play twice for Wigan and 2 and 1/2 games for us. From what I have seen of him he absolutely can play football and has a lot more than only aerial ability. There will be plenty of water to flow in the Caspian sea til June - but he is not a bad option ;-)
Get him in there. I bet he wins us a penalty through VAR "Uefa, European football's governing body, agreed on Wednesday to introduce VAR for March's play-offs. Scotland, Northern Ireland and the Republic will all be involved in the play-offs." |
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Post by quetzal on Dec 6, 2019 22:41:10 GMT
Get him in there. I bet he wins us a penalty through VAR "Uefa, European football's governing body, agreed on Wednesday to introduce VAR for March's play-offs. Scotland, Northern Ireland and the Republic will all be involved in the play-offs." I hate VAR. Destroying the beautiful game |
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Post by CrackityJones on Dec 7, 2019 15:39:16 GMT
Head from heaven....
Goal for Moore
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Post by cadno on Dec 26, 2019 15:46:47 GMT
I don't think he's been in a Wigan squad for 3 or 4 games, is he injured, or out of favour?
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Post by manulike on Dec 30, 2019 19:25:39 GMT
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Post by larslagerback on Dec 30, 2019 22:47:21 GMT
Awful flag.
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Post by bale-droed on Dec 31, 2019 4:14:43 GMT
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Post by cadno on Dec 31, 2019 10:59:28 GMT
Anyone know his club situation?
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Post by cadno on Dec 31, 2019 11:03:52 GMT
I feel like I'm the only one that hasn't bought into the kieffer Moore hype.
He's done well for us but I cant understand why he's a cult hero, feels a bit fake.
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Post by welshiron on Dec 31, 2019 14:15:35 GMT
Agree with you on this one Cadno
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Post by fiveattheback on Dec 31, 2019 16:23:26 GMT
I feel like I'm the only one that hasn't bought into the kieffer Moore hype. He's done well for us but I cant understand why he's a cult hero, feels a bit fake. His height, his name and the fact he's actually been quite a success |
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Post by quetzal on Dec 31, 2019 17:09:01 GMT
He shouldnāt be cult figure yet but the flag is not wrong. He does seem to win everything in the air.
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Post by cadno on Jan 1, 2020 15:58:50 GMT
Injured according to FotMob app.
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Post by manulike on Jan 10, 2020 19:20:23 GMT
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