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Post by jimexotic on Mar 24, 2023 20:46:08 GMT
I think they should call a meeting with Johnson and ask him if he wants to play for Wales because from where I'm sitting he wanted to play for Nottingham Forest no matter what and after going off injured he then played 90 minutes in their very next match, that's not what you do if you are injured. Nip it in the bud now, make him understand that this kin dof thing doesn't go unnoticed, this kind of thing isn't what Together Stronger is about, it's bang out of line right now unless we get a proper explanation. You shouldn't have to chase players to play for Wales once they've committed, they should be desperate for more.
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Post by hooky on Mar 24, 2023 21:12:14 GMT
Bloody hell Pagey. Should be doing everything to get our best player in camp and assess for ourselves. Amateur hour. Leave the player out of this He is paid by Forest and he is a Nottingham boy and will play for them if asked to. Every club would expect that. Copper is a selfish idiot. Like you all I no longer care how his career goes. However, he is doing what is best for him and his club - how can you criticise him? The problem is he was allowed to pull a fast one ..... .... the muppet here is Page. He had the right to assess him but was once again naive. How many times has this happened? He plays a few unfit players in each WC game and we get humiliated He confidently tells everyone no player will retire after the WC, then we lose two of our three key players Now this. We have no strike power with the exception of Brennan and he somehow does not require him to come in to get assessed by our medical team. This is not management. He should join the WRU board - he'd fit in well there. Bloody hell, when this amateurism takes hold then you end up with everything crumbling as it sets the tone. Welcome to the 90s and 00s again! |
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Post by hooky on Mar 24, 2023 21:13:22 GMT
I think they should call a meeting with Johnson and ask him if he wants to play for Wales because from where I'm sitting he wanted to play for Nottingham Forest no matter what and after going off injured he then played 90 minutes in their very next match, that's not what you do if you are injured. Nip it in the bud now, make him understand that this kin dof thing doesn't go unnoticed, this kind of thing isn't what Together Stronger is about, it's bang out of line right now unless we get a proper explanation. You shouldn't have to chase players to play for Wales once they've committed, they should be desperate for more. Leave Johnson alone. He has every right to play for and help his home club. Page made the schoolboy error here. How many bloody learnings does he need! |
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 24, 2023 21:14:33 GMT
You can't excuse Brennan from this, everyone is paid by their clubs, Bale was paid by the biggest club in the World but he turned up no matter what if he was able to contribute something.
I can't believe you're okay with a seemingly fit and possibly vital player for us not turning up, if that's the case should Ampadu stay with Spezia as he's in a relegation battle with them?
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Post by hooky on Mar 24, 2023 21:21:11 GMT
You can't excuse Brennan from this, everyone is paid by their clubs, Bale was paid by the biggest club in the World but he turned up no matter what if he was able to contribute something. I can't believe you're okay with a seemingly fit and possibly vital player for us not turning up, if that's the case should Ampadu stay with Spezia as he's in a relegation battle with them? Don't you get it? Bale was an exception Ronaldo is an exception The Wales they always prioritise their country is not normal Copper used Brennan as a commodity and Page is incompetent. Don't drag the player into this. Two born and bred Welshmen have brought us to this. Just sickening to imagine how toothless our attack against Latvia will be. I wish Mullin was there to be honest! |
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Post by hooky on Mar 24, 2023 21:22:35 GMT
You can't excuse Brennan from this, everyone is paid by their clubs, Bale was paid by the biggest club in the World but he turned up no matter what if he was able to contribute something. I can't believe you're okay with a seemingly fit and possibly vital player for us not turning up, if that's the case should Ampadu stay with Spezia as he's in a relegation battle with them? Brennan is not unfit to play any part but he has an injury. If Page had not fucked this up then the Welsh medical team could have passed him fit enough to play a part for us. Forest pulled a fast one because Page's incompetence allowed it to happen |
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Post by hooky on Mar 24, 2023 21:26:38 GMT
oh and Page should shut his mouth
As stated he makes everyone look bad in this. The problem is he makes himself look particularly bad. Less is more sometimes!
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 24, 2023 21:26:46 GMT
What's to get? It's the norm to want to play for your country if you're fit and able to play. There's plenty of examples of players, Ronaldo and Bale aren't exceptions, they just happen to be two of the best players in the World over the last 10 years that played for their countries an awful lot and whenever available. Johnson isn't blameless in any of this, he has a brain, he has a voice, at least say something and give us some clarity, everyone saying nothing apart from Page telling us that he didn't chase Brennan doesn't just place the blame with Page and Cooper.
I'm with you on Mullin, I really wish we had him to call on to provide us with something a bit different that might catch a few people out. Tomorrow is a write off for me, it's all about making sure we get 3 points against Latvia, it's absolutely crucial.
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Post by redwallnews on Mar 24, 2023 21:29:34 GMT
You can't excuse Brennan from this, everyone is paid by their clubs, Bale was paid by the biggest club in the World but he turned up no matter what if he was able to contribute something. I can't believe you're okay with a seemingly fit and possibly vital player for us not turning up, if that's the case should Ampadu stay with Spezia as he's in a relegation battle with them? Don't you get it? Bale was an exception Ronaldo is an exception The Wales they always prioritise their country is not normal Copper used Brennan as a commodity and Page is incompetent. Don't drag the player into this. Two born and bred Welshmen have brought us to this. Just sickening to imagine how toothless our attack against Latvia will be. I wish Mullin was there to be honest! Using it as a stick to hit Page with haha come on. |
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Post by hooky on Mar 24, 2023 21:31:57 GMT
What's to get? It's the norm to want to play for your country if you're fit and able to play. There's plenty of examples of players, Ronaldo and Bale aren't exceptions, they just happen to be two of the best players in the World over the last 10 years that played for their countries an awful lot and whenever available. Johnson isn't blameless in any of this, he has a brain, he has a voice, at least say something and give us some clarity, everyone saying nothing apart from Page telling us that he didn't chase Brennan doesn't just place the blame with Page and Cooper. I'm with you on Mullin, I really wish we had him to call on to provide us with something a bit different that might catch a few people out. Tomorrow is a write off for me, it's all about making sure we get 3 points against Latvia, it's absolutely crucial. Totally agree with you on Latvia Look - I blame the two managers - the player is in the middle. Copper is a dick who we will not trust again and Page is incompetent but we are stuck with him. On the likes of Modric, Bale and Ronaldo, their dedication to their country was/is remarkable in my view. With Johnson as I said he does obviously have an injury but his club would make him play through it in all probability right? Page did not even give us that option. What do you expect Brennan to scream at his club manager and go against his home city club? It should never have come to this |
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Post by hooky on Mar 24, 2023 21:33:05 GMT
Don't you get it? Bale was an exception Ronaldo is an exception The Wales they always prioritise their country is not normal Copper used Brennan as a commodity and Page is incompetent. Don't drag the player into this. Two born and bred Welshmen have brought us to this. Just sickening to imagine how toothless our attack against Latvia will be. I wish Mullin was there to be honest! Using it as a stick to hit Page with haha come on. He is not really a good example of a manager is he? Lovely bloke but he is making a lot of basic errors / misjudgements and then compounding things by talking so publicly about everything |
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Post by iot on Mar 24, 2023 21:40:24 GMT
What's to get? It's the norm to want to play for your country if you're fit and able to play. There's plenty of examples of players, Ronaldo and Bale aren't exceptions, they just happen to be two of the best players in the World over the last 10 years that played for their countries an awful lot and whenever available. Johnson isn't blameless in any of this, he has a brain, he has a voice, at least say something and give us some clarity, everyone saying nothing apart from Page telling us that he didn't chase Brennan doesn't just place the blame with Page and Cooper. I'm with you on Mullin, I really wish we had him to call on to provide us with something a bit different that might catch a few people out. Tomorrow is a write off for me, it's all about making sure we get 3 points against Latvia, it's absolutely crucial. Totally agree with you on Latvia Look - I blame the two managers - the player is in the middle. Copper is a dick who we will not trust again and Page is incompetent but we are stuck with him. On the likes of Modric, Bale and Ronaldo, their dedication to their country was/is remarkable in my view. With Johnson as I said he does obviously have an injury but his club would make him play through it in all probability right? Page did not even give us that option. What do you expect Brennan to scream at his club manager and go against his home city club? It should never have come to this As ever, your criticism of Page is way overblown (no surprise you're using this as a stick to beat Page with asyour agenda against him is well documented) and I've no idea how you can make out Johnson to be completely blameless. Johnson has plenty of leverage here, he will have had some sway in what's gone on. Completely agree that Page should have done more - there's an obligation on clubs to release players - Forest clearly haven't done that (essentially breaking the rules), so Page should have been stronger. All the players were meant to join up on Sunday. It's obvious that Page thought they had an agreement for Johnson to meet up with the squad yesterday (as widely reported) for the medical team to assess, and he appears to just not have turned up. What Page is now saying is that, in hindsight, he shouldn't have compromised and should have just demanded that Johnson was released on Sunday as Forest were obliged to do. So yes, Page should have been stronger, but it's pathetic to pin it all on him and let the more guilty parties off the hook. Hopefully there's some action we can take against Forest. |
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Post by jackanapes on Mar 24, 2023 22:51:07 GMT
I understand the reaction but I think we need to cut Brennan some slack. The real culprits here are Cooper and Page. Cooper is putting his own interests first, which is nothing new and not unexpected. I think Page and the FAW in general seem to have let things slip in terms of communication with players and clubs, building relationships etc. At Swansea both Cooper and Martin have made pointed remarks about there being little or no contact from the Wales camp in terms of player performance and management. This appears to be in stark contrast to what happened under Speed then Coleman. There’s a danger here that levels of professionalism are slipping and we’re lapsing into old amateurish habits. Obviously, from the outside there’s no way of being certain but the circumstantial evidence is accumulating.
Act like a mug and you get treated like a mug.
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Post by twofootedtackle on Mar 24, 2023 23:34:55 GMT
I understand the reaction but I think we need to cut Brennan some slack. The real culprits here are Cooper and Page. Cooper is putting his own interests first, which is nothing new and not unexpected. I think Page and the FAW in general seem to have let things slip in terms of communication with players and clubs, building relationships etc. At Swansea both Cooper and Martin have made pointed remarks about there being little or no contact from the Wales camp in terms of player performance and management. This appears to be in stark contrast to what happened under Speed then Coleman. There’s a danger here that levels of professionalism are slipping and we’re lapsing into old amateurish habits. Obviously, from the outside there’s no way of being certain but the circumstantial evidence is accumulating. Act like a mug and you get treated like a mug. Spot on, no surprise given his reputation as being limited as a coach. I’ve heard a few times he’s not a bad bloke just way out of his depth. Including asking senior players how they’d go about training. We deserve better, I hope we are Brennan back in a Wales shirt. |
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Post by rob on Mar 24, 2023 23:55:15 GMT
Page should just have insisted Brennan had tests on Sunday and would have stopped him or someone else mentioning in camp Thursday.His senior players committee is questionable too and is unheard of at international level.
Has bad habit of putting his foot in it e.g. saying Ollie Cooper not chosen as on bench when he went to a Swansea game (rested),said who was he to stop Gunter and Jonny going to a World Cup.There is a story too about Luke Harris from a Fulham source linked to World Cup which I won't put here.
In reality his comments today about Forest whilst understandably annoyed were unwise too as will not help the relationship with the club going forward-we have 3 seniors,1 Under 21 and youths at the club.
The 4 year contract decision was incredibly naive by FAW-hopefully some kind of performance clause is included.
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Mar 25, 2023 0:45:01 GMT
Bloody hell Pagey. Should be doing everything to get our best player in camp and assess for ourselves. Amateur hour. Leave the player out of this He is paid by Forest and he is a Nottingham boy and will play for them if asked to. Every club would expect that. Copper is a selfish idiot. Like you all I no longer care how his career goes. However, he is doing what is best for him and his club - how can you criticise him? The problem is he was allowed to pull a fast one ..... .... the muppet here is Page. He had the right to assess him but was once again naive. How many times has this happened? He plays a few unfit players in each WC game and we get humiliated He confidently tells everyone no player will retire after the WC, then we lose two of our three key players Now this. We have no strike power with the exception of Brennan and he somehow does not require him to come in to get assessed by our medical team. This is not management. He should join the WRU board - he'd fit in well there. Bloody hell, when this amateurism takes hold then you end up with everything crumbling as it sets the tone. Welcome to the 90s and 00s again! Eh? Didn’t blame the player butt |
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Post by aberbeeg on Mar 25, 2023 8:19:09 GMT
Nobody comes out of this sorry mess with any credit. Cooper has done us zero favours, the player has just towed the club line and page has made a very school boy basic error and showed no leadership. I sadly think Page doesn’t have the respect that other mangers have and this could end up costing us dearly. He obviously doesn’t help himself at times.
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Post by hooky on Mar 25, 2023 8:41:06 GMT
Leave the player out of this He is paid by Forest and he is a Nottingham boy and will play for them if asked to. Every club would expect that. Copper is a selfish idiot. Like you all I no longer care how his career goes. However, he is doing what is best for him and his club - how can you criticise him? The problem is he was allowed to pull a fast one ..... .... the muppet here is Page. He had the right to assess him but was once again naive. How many times has this happened? He plays a few unfit players in each WC game and we get humiliated He confidently tells everyone no player will retire after the WC, then we lose two of our three key players Now this. We have no strike power with the exception of Brennan and he somehow does not require him to come in to get assessed by our medical team. This is not management. He should join the WRU board - he'd fit in well there. Bloody hell, when this amateurism takes hold then you end up with everything crumbling as it sets the tone. Welcome to the 90s and 00s again! Eh? Didn’t blame the player butt Why the player? Forest pay him his £4mn a year wages ow whatever it is, he is a born and bred Forest lad and his medics wanted to play him in their last game. We are on another planet expecting a player to prioritise Wales above everything else in his life - there was a comment effectively saying he should have refused to play against Newcastle in an important game for the club. Really? If his club tell him fitness wise he should not play for Wales and Wales do not insist he turns up for tests then what do you expect? A manager has to manage things. Our best, most deadly attacker and Page drops the ball. If Page was not such a nice bloke and so passionate you would be thinking Bobby Gould when considering this incident, especially to mention it to the press - he needs to keep his emotions in check and think with more clarity so as to stop making poor errors! The worst thing is - we all have a fear that we may drop points against Latvia ffs! Any decent manager in charge of even a mediocre set of players would not drop the ball against a team like that but we see it as possible! |
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Post by gimli on Mar 25, 2023 9:28:28 GMT
I'm far from Page's biggest fan, but honestly his only real crime here is being naive and taking Forest at their word that Brennan would meet up with the squad on Thursday. Lesson learnt and I doubt he'll do that again.
The blame here lies squarely with Cooper, who firstly mismanaged Brennan's injury by playing him for 90 mins when he had a knock, and then lied to Wales' management about Brennan meeting up on Thursday before refusing to release him at all. He's always given off a slight Dic Siôn Dafydd vibe, and this confirms it for me. He clearly doesn't give a shit about Wales, and he's properly messed us about here. Hope the scabs go down and Brennan and Neco move on.
Having said that, I agree with others that Brennan isn't completely blameless. He could have come if he wanted to. He's not some fringe player with no clout, he's their star man. He has all the power here. We've been spoiled with a generation of players that always put Wales first, and we might have to accept that Brennan won't be that way. He's from Nottingham so I suppose it's only natural that he feels more of a connection to Forest than Wales. If that's the case, I just hope another star comes along soon who does prioritise his country, so we don't have to depend on Brennan like we did Bale.
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Post by hooky on Mar 25, 2023 9:41:24 GMT
Are we sure Copper lied and misled Wales?
Bit weird if he did?
He is a selfish person no doubt but he comes across as professional. Is it possible Page misunderstood? Especially given Page admitted he had made a schoolboy error?
Just asking the question as Page seems to misunderstand a lot of things - players retirements, etc - so is it not possible he misunderstood how firm whatever Copper said was?
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Post by dai on Mar 25, 2023 10:00:27 GMT
We will find out after the International break exactly what the score is. If Johnson waltzes back into the Forest team on the 1st of April, then we know that Cooper has really just f*cked us over. I suspect he will.
However, there's blame on all sides here - Cooper/Forest, Page and Johnson. Cooper being an obvious selfish twat, Johnson being passive and putting Forest arguably first, Page being naive and unprofessional.
Rumours going around before now that management-player communication within the FAW has become poor and sub-par since Giggs took over and is still the same with Page. This issue with Brennan and the lack of communication shows that there are big problems going on here - the recent retirements another odd one. Myself and others have mentioned before that things don't seem right in the setup, but no, everything must be hunky dory within the FAW because we qualified for the WC and Mooney is the greatest CEO we've ever seen.
Speed and Coleman had great relationships with players and their clubs, however that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Why wasn't there a conversation between Page and Forest? That question needs answering.
These sort of things should not be happening, and we are in danger of ruining relationships with both players and clubs. Why on earth did the FAW think it was wise to give Page a 4 year contract?!
Back to the dark ages.
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Post by welshrover on Mar 25, 2023 10:10:44 GMT
Like others on here I am not privy to exactly what has happened in this instance.
However I do wonder if Gareth's retirement will have more of an affect than just losing his ability on the pitch.
I do feel his "play for Wales at all costs" attitude spurred on some other players who may have otherwise taken the route of pulling out of the squad (for little or no reason) that was so prevalent previously.
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Post by hooky on Mar 25, 2023 10:39:51 GMT
We will find out after the International break exactly what the score is. If Johnson waltzes back into the Forest team on the 1st of April, then we know that Cooper has really just f*cked us over. I suspect he will. However, there's blame on all sides here - Cooper/Forest, Page and Johnson. Cooper being an obvious selfish twat, Johnson being passive and putting Forest arguably first, Page being naive and unprofessional. Rumours going around before now that management-player communication within the FAW has become poor and sub-par since Giggs took over and is still the same with Page. This issue with Brennan and the lack of communication shows that there are big problems going on here - the recent retirements another odd one. Myself and others have mentioned before that things don't seem right in the setup, but no, everything must be hunky dory within the FAW because we qualified for the WC and Mooney is the greatest CEO we've ever seen. Speed and Coleman had great relationships with players and their clubs, however that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Why wasn't there a conversation between Page and Forest? That question needs answering. These sort of things should not be happening, and we are in danger of ruining relationships with both players and clubs. Why on earth did the FAW think it was wise to give Page a 4 year contract?! Back to the dark ages. Why are we dragging Giggs into this? So we have proof that communication went downhill immediately after Giggs took over? Well I never heard that Things have noticeably deteriorated under Page. We did not hear of the problems under him we are hearing about Page and he simply would not put his foot in his mouth like Page. He also bravely blooded all of those youngsters and yet got us qualified for the Euros Page is a much nicer. more honest bloke but that does not mean he does things better. |
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Post by Belle Vue on Mar 25, 2023 10:41:05 GMT
Maybe relevant maybe not but 21 staff have left the FAW since the appointment of Mooney
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Post by cadno on Mar 25, 2023 11:06:14 GMT
Giggs was a dreadful communicator
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Post by dai on Mar 25, 2023 11:28:51 GMT
Maybe relevant maybe not but 21 staff have left the FAW since the appointment of Mooney Most certainly relevant. |
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Post by 60sred on Mar 25, 2023 11:28:55 GMT
I'm far from Page's biggest fan, but honestly his only real crime here is being naive and taking Forest at their word that Brennan would meet up with the squad on Thursday. Lesson learnt and I doubt he'll do that again. The blame here lies squarely with Cooper, who firstly mismanaged Brennan's injury by playing him for 90 mins when he had a knock, and then lied to Wales' management about Brennan meeting up on Thursday before refusing to release him at all. He's always given off a slight Dic Siôn Dafydd vibe, and this confirms it for me. He clearly doesn't give a shit about Wales, and he's properly messed us about here. Hope the scabs go down and Brennan and Neco move on. Having said that, I agree with others that Brennan isn't completely blameless. He could have come if he wanted to. He's not some fringe player with no clout, he's their star man. He has all the power here. We've been spoiled with a generation of players that always put Wales first, and we might have to accept that Brennan won't be that way. He's from Nottingham so I suppose it's only natural that he feels more of a connection to Forest than Wales. If that's the case, I just hope another star comes along soon who does prioritise his country, so we don't have to depend on Brennan like we did Bale. |
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Post by 60sred on Mar 25, 2023 11:37:35 GMT
So people from Nottingham are scabs are they. Hope Brennan gets to see this , i for one am glad he is not playing as i pay my money to watch him in a Forest shirt not a Wales one. Yes he will be fit for 1st of April and i think its a fitting day for him to play. I also think Brennan is keeping is own council over this due to way he was treated at the world cup by Page playing unfit players along with players who had hardly kicked a ball in anger all season ahead of him. This could be Brennans way of sticking 2 fingers up to Page and his ideas . As for if Forest go down if it happens i will be still watching them and Brennan will still be playing for us as he is under contract for four years and Neco has been found to be not Premier League so who else is going to pay him so well ?
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Post by dai on Mar 25, 2023 11:57:09 GMT
So people from Nottingham are scabs are they. Hope Brennan gets to see this , i for one am glad he is not playing as i pay my money to watch him in a Forest shirt not a Wales one. Yes he will be fit for 1st of April and i think its a fitting day for him to play. I also think Brennan is keeping is own council over this due to way he was treated at the world cup by Page playing unfit players along with players who had hardly kicked a ball in anger all season ahead of him. This could be Brennans way of sticking 2 fingers up to Page and his ideas . As for if Forest go down if it happens i will be still watching them and Brennan will still be playing for us as he is under contract for four years and Neco has been found to be not Premier League so who else is going to pay him so well ? Johnson will deffo be moving on if Forest go down |
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Post by 60sred on Mar 25, 2023 12:16:57 GMT
As it stands he is under contract and i think he is the player who would want to try to get Forest back up if they go down. I think he would sooner play for Forest in the Championship than Wales under its present management team. Its only going to get worse with the likes of Gunter coming back and a job for Bale also possible take about a closed shop and jobs for the boys why has someone like Earnshaw been offered a job ?
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