Owen Beck

[dragonsoccer]

Owen can only go back to Dundee now

Edit 25/1/24

"Owen can only go back to Dundee now - for game time"

[jimexotic]

I'm guessing that come the end of the month a decision will be made but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he went back up to Dundee, this hasn't really gone how I first thought it would for a number of reasons.

[ystradwales]

Since Owen was recalled Dundee have signed a replacement left back on loan www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/c51zyj70n5no

I am assuming that they signed him to replace Owen

[jimexotic]

Aaaargh, so this is it now then, let's hope Liverpool stay in all competitions and need to call upon Owen from time to time.

[vaulksthrowfanclub]

What a potentially awful situation. Yes, great to have a Premier League debut, but for 9 minutes and to potentially only play u21s football as a 22 year old (this year) is a massive price to pay.

He’ll lose a great deal of the momentum built with Dundee. Really unfortunate, and a move which benefits club to the detriment of the player’s development. Recently signed a new deal, but really needs out permanently in the summer, if at all possible.

[iot]

Jan 22, 2024 11:30:54 GMT vaulksthrowfanclub said:

What a potentially awful situation. Yes, great to have a Premier League debut, but for 9 minutes and to potentially only play u21s football as a 22 year old (this year) is a massive price to pay.

He’ll lose a great deal of the momentum built with Dundee. Really unfortunate, and a move which benefits club to the detriment of the player’s development. Recently signed a new deal, but really needs out permanently in the summer, if at all possible.

Hopefully he'll get some minutes against Fulham in the league Cup on Wednesday and then a start against Norwich in the FA Cup at the weekend. If he does well, who knows he may get a shot ahead of Gomez. If he doesn’t, then hopefully he can return to Dundee. I know they've already signed someone else, but surely they would take him back seeing as he was their best player

[vvm]

Just seen on BBC sport that Robertson is back for their game tonight. Beck might get a go against Norwich on the weekend but not sure where he next chance will come from.

[jimexotic]

My enthusiasm for this recall has wained dramatically, he's currently probably fourth choice and that's with one of the left backs still injured. What a sorry and rather disheartening mess, he might not even be able to get himself back into the shop window for the summer thus possibly leaving him with lesser desirable options come July. If you're overseeing player development at Liverpool it's scenarios like this that you bring up and highlight. Despite the injuries to the two first choice left backs I think this has proven that they didn't really need Owen. They've taken him away from a brilliant loan spell where he was showing very promising signs of progression and potentially ended his season playing first team football.

[athenempadu]

I think Liverpool has a good policy regarding their younger players. They give them a fair chance to prove themselves, and if they don't reach the required level they release them quickly, unlike teams like Chelsea who play the forever loan game. This allows them to continue their development at another club while they are still young.

[jimexotic]

Jan 24, 2024 18:00:13 GMT athenempadu said:

I think Liverpool has a good policy regarding their young players. They give them a fair chance to prove themselves, and if they don't reach the required standard they release them quickly, unlike teams like Chelsea who play the forever loan game.

They kept hold of Harry Wilson until he was 25 (twenty five). Being better than Chelsea isn't hard when it comes to youth policies. It's incredibly difficult to break into big teams, I fully get it but the Owen Beck situation looks a bit messy to say the least, he's had ten minutes after a successful loan that he was called back for and he probably needs a bubonic plague in Liverpool to start a game between now and the end of the season.

[athenempadu]

Jan 24, 2024 18:12:14 GMT jimexotic said:

They kept hold of Harry Wilson until he was 25 (twenty five).

He was talented, but not physically ready for the Premier League when he was a youngster, so they may have been hoping he would develop with age.

[jimexotic]

Holding onto a player and loaning him out until he's 25 is insane.

Conor Bradley starts tonight, Robertson on the bench.

[athenempadu]

Jan 24, 2024 19:08:16 GMT jimexotic said:

Holding onto a player and loaning him out until he's 25 is insane.

I watched all of his games for Bournemouth in the Premier League. There were flashes of brilliance, but he was unable to dominate games. He'd signed a 5 year deal with Liverpool, so they obviously saw his potential.

[rob]

Jan 24, 2024 19:08:16 GMT jimexotic said:

Holding onto a player and loaning him out until he's 25 is insane.

Conor Bradley starts tonight, Robertson on the bench.

Everton kept Nathan Broadhead until he was 23/24.

[jimexotic]

By the time Harry Wilson had completed his final loan move he was 25, he left Liverpool shortly after, making a total of two appearances during his time at Anfield, a start in the league cup and a substitute appearance in the FA Cup.

[jimexotic]

Jan 24, 2024 19:52:16 GMT rob said:

Jan 24, 2024 19:08:16 GMT jimexotic said:

Holding onto a player and loaning him out until he's 25 is insane.

Conor Bradley starts tonight, Robertson on the bench.

Everton kept Nathan Broadhead until he was 23/24.

Everton are ridiculous, keeping some players until they're 27.

[rob]

Jan 24, 2024 19:53:53 GMT jimexotic said:

Jan 24, 2024 19:52:16 GMT rob said:

Everton kept Nathan Broadhead until he was 23/24.

Everton are ridiculous, keeping some players until they're 27.

Not fair on player- imagine all about trying to get some kind of return on their investment.

[jimexotic]

Jan 24, 2024 19:55:32 GMT rob said:

Jan 24, 2024 19:53:53 GMT jimexotic said:

Everton are ridiculous, keeping some players until they're 27.

Not fair on player- imagine all about trying to get some kind of return on their investment.

The state of this www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=70729

Owen on the bench tonight

[rob]

Jan 24, 2024 20:03:11 GMT jimexotic said:

Jan 24, 2024 19:55:32 GMT rob said:

Not fair on player- imagine all about trying to get some kind of return on their investment.

The state of this www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=70729


Owen on the bench tonight

Best scenario for Beck would be for Celtic to buy him and then loan him to Dundee for season as can play for them.

[athenempadu]

Jan 24, 2024 19:53:53 GMT jimexotic said:

Jan 24, 2024 19:52:16 GMT rob said:

Everton kept Nathan Broadhead until he was 23/24.

Everton are ridiculous, keeping some players until they're 27.

Players can ask to leave if they are not happy, but don't forget they are on good money at these clubs and may be reluctant to go elsewhere for less money.

[bobbyghoul]

Jan 24, 2024 20:47:08 GMT athenempadu said:

Jan 24, 2024 19:53:53 GMT jimexotic said:

Everton are ridiculous, keeping some players until they're 27.

Players can ask to leave if they are not happy, but don't forget they are on good money at these clubs and may be reluctant to go elsewhere for less money.

It always amazes me how little football fans know about contracts.

[athenempadu]

Jan 24, 2024 20:57:12 GMT bobbyghoul said:

Jan 24, 2024 20:47:08 GMT athenempadu said:

Players can ask to leave if they are not happy, but don't forget they are on good money at these clubs and may be reluctant to go elsewhere for less money.

It always amazes me how little football fans know about contracts.

There is no point keeping players who don't want to be there if you want a happy squad, and any player can put in a written transfer request.

[bobbyghoul]

Jan 24, 2024 21:55:07 GMT athenempadu said:

Jan 24, 2024 20:57:12 GMT bobbyghoul said:

It always amazes me how little football fans know about contracts.

There is no point keeping players who don't want to be there if you want a happy squad, and any player can put in a written transfer request.

Exactly. If it suits both parties, contracts can be terminated. Plenty of players stick around, happily not playing, because their contract suits them. Danny Ward anyone?

[athenempadu]

Jan 24, 2024 22:04:41 GMT bobbyghoul said:

Jan 24, 2024 21:55:07 GMT athenempadu said:

There is no point keeping players who don't want to be there if you want a happy squad, and any player can put in a written transfer request.

Exactly. If it suits both parties, contracts can be terminated. Plenty of players stick around, happily not playing, because their contract suits them. Danny Ward anyone?

Yep, they must have been happy with their situations, or at least tolerated it. In Broadhead's case, he may have thought he could still make it with The Toffees. It's also a good chat up line when you say you play for Liverpool or Everton 

[jimexotic]

So we've no issue with what Chelsea do then, they're contacted and that's all that matters. Of course I know how contracts work, my issue was about player development and it stagnating.

[jimexotic]

Jan 24, 2024 18:00:13 GMT athenempadu said:

I think Liverpool has a good policy regarding their younger players. They give them a fair chance to prove themselves, and if they don't reach the required level they release them quickly, unlike teams like Chelsea who play the forever loan game. This allows them to continue their development at another club while they are still young.

You can't nod and agree with Bobby after saying this, this thread has become like that Fast Show sketch in the pub.

[bobbyghoul]

Jan 24, 2024 22:45:02 GMT jimexotic said:

So we've no issue with what Chelsea do then, they're contacted and that's all that matters. Of course I know how contracts work, my issue was about player development and it stagnating.

Do Chelsea incubate and farm a disproportionate number of players? If so, they are bastards.

In general I don't mind clubs signing promising players, investing huge zmounts in them via development and wages, and then selling them for a fair amount.

Take Liverpool, did they really do badly with Wilson and Neco?

[athenempadu]

Jan 24, 2024 22:47:51 GMT jimexotic said:

Jan 24, 2024 18:00:13 GMT athenempadu said:

I think Liverpool has a good policy regarding their younger players. They give them a fair chance to prove themselves, and if they don't reach the required level they release them quickly, unlike teams like Chelsea who play the forever loan game. This allows them to continue their development at another club while they are still young.

You can't nod and agree with Bobby after saying this, this thread has become like that Fast Show sketch in the pub.

Regarding my post above, Wilson would have met the agreed performance targets set by the club at that stage of his career. The next paragraph outlines what happened AFTER that.

Discussions would have taken place between Liverpool, Wilson, and his agent. A new development plan would have been agreed by both parties and he was given a 5 year contract, then a week later he went on loan to Derby. He did well at Derby and was rewarded with a loan to Premier League side Bournemouth. After his time on the South Coast it was clear that he wasn't ready for the Liverpool 1st team, so he went on another loan to Cardiff where he did OK, followed by a loan to Fulham where he did great. By this time it was now Year 4 of the 5 year contract, and it was make your mind up time. Unfortunately his Liverpool ship had already sailed, and a judgement call was made by the club to sell Wilson, who then accepted a permanent move to Fulham. Wilson had a fair crack of the whip, but ultimately he didn't make the progress that Liverpool had expected. It's just football, and things like this happen all the time, so I wouldn't read too much into the situation.

[jimexotic]

Nobody keeps a player until they're 25 and only give them 1 start and 1 sub appearance in cups, continually loaning them, as part of a development plan, the long deal was for one thing only, to make sure they get a transfer fee. I get that it's business but it doesn't mean that I have to agree with it. Klopp would have known by 2020 that Wilson was never going to break through as Liverpool had become Premier League and European champions in that time. Chelsea's stockpiling of young players has long been criticised and rightly so, they kill a lot of the hunger in young players and as a result a lot of talented footballers fall by the wayside, one way or another.

Owen Beck isn't going to get a chance at Anfield, if it was ever going to happen it would have done so by now, he needs to get out in the summer and not end up going on some Harry Wilson style loanee journey.

[athenempadu]

Jan 25, 2024 1:08:36 GMT jimexotic said:

Nobody keeps a player until they're 25 and only give them 1 start and 1 sub appearance in cups, continually loaning them, as part of a development plan, the long deal was for one thing only, to make sure they get a transfer fee. I get that it's business but it doesn't mean that I have to agree with it. Klopp would have known by 2020 that Wilson was never going to break through as Liverpool had become Premier League and European champions in that time.

Things might have been different if he had a more influential season at Bournemouth. I don't think any Premier League teams were queuing up for him after that, so he ended up having a middling season at Cardiff. I'm not sure if the Fulham loan had an option to buy, but that's the first time he looked like a real quality player. However, I think Liverpool had already made up their minds by that point and they were looking to sell.

Anyway, fast forward to now, and he's hardly one of the first names on the team sheet at Fulham, so I would say Liverpool got their call right. He's a good player on his day, and he deserves to be with a Premier League club, therefore I would call it a win for both clubs and the player.