Owen Beck

[bobbyghoul]

Jan 25, 2024 1:08:36 GMT jimexotic said:

Nobody keeps a player until they're 25 and only give them 1 start and 1 sub appearance in cups, continually loaning them, as part of a development plan, the long deal was for one thing only, to make sure they get a transfer fee. I get that it's business but it doesn't mean that I have to agree with it. Klopp would have known by 2020 that Wilson was never going to break through as Liverpool had become Premier League and European champions in that time. Chelsea's stockpiling of young players has long been criticised and rightly so, they kill a lot of the hunger in young players and as a result a lot of talented footballers fall by the wayside, one way or another.

Owen Beck isn't going to get a chance at Anfield, if it was ever going to happen it would have done so by now, he needs to get out in the summer and not end up going on some Harry Wilson style loanee journey.

Beck has had chances at Annfield. He's just not been good enough.

[fiveattheback]

Jan 25, 2024 7:47:15 GMT bobbyghoul said:

Jan 25, 2024 1:08:36 GMT jimexotic said:

Nobody keeps a player until they're 25 and only give them 1 start and 1 sub appearance in cups, continually loaning them, as part of a development plan, the long deal was for one thing only, to make sure they get a transfer fee. I get that it's business but it doesn't mean that I have to agree with it. Klopp would have known by 2020 that Wilson was never going to break through as Liverpool had become Premier League and European champions in that time. Chelsea's stockpiling of young players has long been criticised and rightly so, they kill a lot of the hunger in young players and as a result a lot of talented footballers fall by the wayside, one way or another.

Owen Beck isn't going to get a chance at Anfield, if it was ever going to happen it would have done so by now, he needs to get out in the summer and not end up going on some Harry Wilson style loanee journey.

Beck has had chances at Annfield. He's just not been good enough.

He's played a total of 16 minutes for Liverpool's first team

[iot]

Yeah unfortunately we need to look at this honestly. Much as it's tempting to cry foul, I don't think Beck's been treated unfairly. He was given two loan spells last season at the age of 20, joining Bolton in League 1 after an unsuccessful spell in the Portuguese top flight. Unfortunately he wasn't able to get into their side either, while Bradley was also on loan at the club at the same time and did brilliantly (we had a Welsh Bolton fan in here saying as much). Bradley was then given a shot in the FA Cup when Beck was ineligible and did really well, so kept his spot on merit, with Gomez also doing well at left back. They're top of the league, so they're going to limit the use of young, unproven players.

That said, I don't know why they brought him on for 10mins last week. With Robinson now returning I would have liked to see him go out on loan to the Championship. Hopefully it means they do intend to use him going forward, even if it is as a bit-part role

[jimexotic]

I never thought that he'd be good enough, right now, to play for a team that's probably going to win the Premier League, not many players are. He's fifth choice left back there, fourth at the moment because a player is injured, that's my whole issue, he's been called back from a successful loan period and he's not going to play, a complete waste of everyone's time and it's not helping his development one bit.

[gimli]

Such a stupid, selfish and short-sighted decision by Klopp bringing him off the bench for 8 minutes on the weekend. That one decision has basically thrown 6 months of Beck's career and development down the drain. A perfect example of a footballer being treated as a tool that can be discarded when no longer needed with no consideration of what's best for him or his development.

[bobbyghoul]

Jan 25, 2024 9:20:04 GMT fiveattheback said:

Jan 25, 2024 7:47:15 GMT bobbyghoul said:

Beck has had chances at Annfield. He's just not been good enough.

He's played a total of 16 minutes for Liverpool's first team

Proving my point that he's not good enough.

[bobbyghoul]

Jan 25, 2024 10:59:00 GMT gimli said:

Such a stupid, selfish and short-sighted decision by Klopp bringing him off the bench for 8 minutes on the weekend. That one decision has basically thrown 6 months of Beck's career and development down the drain. A perfect example of a footballer being treated as a tool that can be discarded when no longer needed with no consideration of what's best for him or his development.

He did what was best for Liverpool as a whole, and used a contracted player appropriately.

[jimexotic]

They really needed to bring Beck on, he changed the game.

I'm all for giving young players minutes when you can but there's got to be a follow on from this given the situation that Beck finds himself in. He's a footballer, a young one who needs to develop with on pitch experience.

[gimli]

Jan 25, 2024 11:05:19 GMT bobbyghoul said:

Jan 25, 2024 10:59:00 GMT gimli said:

Such a stupid, selfish and short-sighted decision by Klopp bringing him off the bench for 8 minutes on the weekend. That one decision has basically thrown 6 months of Beck's career and development down the drain. A perfect example of a footballer being treated as a tool that can be discarded when no longer needed with no consideration of what's best for him or his development.

He did what was best for Liverpool as a whole, and used a contracted player appropriately.

What, brining him off the bench for 8 minutes to see off a 4-0 win against Bournemouth was so necessary to Liverpool's season that it was worth wasting 6 months of his development?

[manulike]

Jan 25, 2024 10:59:00 GMT gimli said:

Such a stupid, selfish and short-sighted decision by Klopp bringing him off the bench for 8 minutes on the weekend. That one decision has basically thrown 6 months of Beck's career and development down the drain. A perfect example of a footballer being treated as a tool that can be discarded when no longer needed with no consideration of what's best for him or his development.

Agree completely.

Celtic were very eager to sign him (as reported by dragonsoccer) and now that is down the pan.

Not acceptable and very short-sighted from Kloop.

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/what-brendan-rodgers-after-being-28503626

[dragonsoccer]

a club could still sign him in this transfer window, but he could only play for LFC/Dundee

thats my reading on it

[bobbyghoul]

Jan 25, 2024 11:19:00 GMT gimli said:

Jan 25, 2024 11:05:19 GMT bobbyghoul said:

He did what was best for Liverpool as a whole, and used a contracted player appropriately.

What, brining him off the bench for 8 minutes to see off a 4-0 win against Bournemouth was so necessary to Liverpool's season that it was worth wasting 6 months of his development?

As an insurance policy for one of their only 2 fit full backs, Klopp would say yes I guess.

[iot]

Jan 25, 2024 10:59:00 GMT gimli said:

Such a stupid, selfish and short-sighted decision by Klopp bringing him off the bench for 8 minutes on the weekend. That one decision has basically thrown 6 months of Beck's career and development down the drain. A perfect example of a footballer being treated as a tool that can be discarded when no longer needed with no consideration of what's best for him or his development.

I get the frustration, but I don't agree that this is throwing 6 months of Beck's career and development down the drain. As fans, we obviously only see and think about what happens on the pitch, but obviously there's a lot of development that happens outside of matchdays. From everything I've seen from Klopp, and from what I know about Beck and the type of player he is, I think Klopp really likes him as a player. I noticed watching the first League Cup game (where Beck was an unused sub) that the camera panned over to Klopp and he was sat on the bench next to Beck giving him really intense instructions / advice as the game was going on. I wouldn't be surprised if he still sees him as someone who could step in / be an understudy to Robertson over the next couple of years, but he's not quite ready. He may feel that he needs to be within Liverpool's environment to start that process, maybe starting this next FA Cup game and a few substitute appearances. He may feel that he would benefit more from that experience, and that it's too risky to send him out on loan to the Championship where he may not be used - because the 2 loan spells he had last season were probably much more detrimental to his development. 

I don't know, but as I say I do think Klopp really rates him and sees a future for him. 

[athenempadu]

Jan 25, 2024 10:30:05 GMT jimexotic said:

I never thought that he'd be good enough, right now, to play for a team that's probably going to win the Premier League, not many players are. He's fifth choice left back there, fourth at the moment because a player is injured, that's my whole issue, he's been called back from a successful loan period and he's not going to play, a complete waste of everyone's time and it's not helping his development one bit.

Believe it or not, there actually are some benefits to be gained from training with world class players every day for a couple of months, under the watchful eye of the best coaches who provide insightful feedback. You are just looking at the negatives, and there might be some, but the period of time is too short to have any long term effects.

[jimexotic]

Long term effects, that bit was good.

[athenempadu]

Jan 25, 2024 23:46:57 GMT jimexotic said:

Long term effects, that bit was good.

As a matter of interest, have you ever played any football at a decent level?

[jimexotic]

Mate, give it a rest with your expert advice, it's a football forum and you're coming on here trying to lecture people, coming out with utter drivel about the long term effects of not playing for a few months. In the Dan James thread you go off on things that nobody brought up,

"Sometimes he does have an off day, and so do the other forward players, but Summerville & Rutter are still capable of doing something totally unexpected even when they are not playing well. This is why Leeds have lost 6 away games this season, and they can be frustrating to watch at times. On the other hand, when everything clicks they are very easy on the eye. If you want confirmation of this, just look at Farke's face when the camera zooms in on him during games."

What the hell is this? That last bit, it's just getting weird. Just discuss subject matters with us without pretending to be an expert.

[athenempadu]

Jan 26, 2024 8:11:14 GMT jimexotic said:

Mate, give it a rest with your expert advice, it's a football forum and you're coming on here trying to lecture people, coming out with utter drivel about the long term effects of not playing for a few months. In the Dan James thread you go off on things that nobody brought up,

"Sometimes he does have an off day, and so do the other forward players, but Summerville & Rutter are still capable of doing something totally unexpected even when they are not playing well. This is why Leeds have lost 6 away games this season, and they can be frustrating to watch at times. On the other hand, when everything clicks they are very easy on the eye. If you want confirmation of this, just look at Farke's face when the camera zooms in on him during games."

What the hell is this? That last bit, it's just getting weird. Just discuss subject matters with us without pretending to be an expert.

I'm just trying to work out where you are coming from because some of your replies are very odd.

[jimexotic]

Gaslighting now, upping the levels of weirdness.

Anyway, Owen Beck. Klopp is off at the season and I'd expect Owen will probably be too, I'd like to see him secure a move to one of the Old Firm so he can get European club football experience and develop in a competitive enough league. If he does half decently up there he could then get himself a move to a Premier League club as young and talented attacking left sided full backs will never not be in demand.

[athenempadu]

Jan 26, 2024 16:37:24 GMT jimexotic said:

Gaslighting now, upping the levels of weirdness.

Anyway, Owen Beck. Klopp is off at the season and I'd expect Owen will probably be too, I'd like to see him secure a move to one of the Old Firm so he can get European club football experience and develop in a competitive enough league. If he does half decently up there he could then get himself a move to a Premier League club as young and talented attacking left sided full backs will never not be in demand.

You are the one making all these assumptions. For all you know, I could have been brought up around professional football players and received excellent coaching, but who knows 

I have watched Beck a number of times and I was very impressed. He is a typical modern player capable of playing that advanced FB role, so he should be able to integrate into a mid-level Premier League team. I think him and Neco could be fantastic for Wales, but we would need a couple of decent DM's to cover for them. Exciting times ahead ... maybe?

[jimexotic]

You are without doubt one of the strangest people I've ever tried to discuss football with, really weird one upmanship and unnecessary supposed insight that just drifts off topic, it looks like you're trying to flex some kind of superior knowledge, you're relentless too. On one hand it's very entertaining but on the other it's just plain weird. Have a good weekend, my man.

[athenempadu]

Jan 27, 2024 13:11:16 GMT jimexotic said:

You are without doubt one of the strangest people I've ever tried to discuss football with, really weird one upmanship and unnecessary supposed insight that just drifts off topic, it looks like you're trying to flex some kind of superior knowledge, you're relentless too. On one hand it's very entertaining but on the other it's just plain weird. Have a good weekend, my man.

I do find it a bit odd that you keep following me around and reposting all of my comments in quotation marks, followed by negative personal comments about me. Do you have anything against opinions, or perhaps people going off on a tangent? Are you an opinionist or a tangentist? If you don't like or agree with my opinions, or anything else that I post, maybe you should just ignore it and move on.

For the record, I do enjoy reading the views of others (including yours), even when I don't agree with what they say. After all this is a niche website about Welsh football, and what would it be without opinions and a bit of banter?

You also state without knowing anything about me that I know nothing about football. That's really bizarre mate, because you have no idea who I am or what I have done in my life.

I wouldn't normally quote you in an unrelated post, but just to highlight your hypocrisy, in the Central Midfielder thread you said of Ampadu "I see him long term as a defender", Charlie Savage "might emerge and become undeniable within the next year", on Morrell "he's proven recently that over a period of time he's not reliable", followed by "the way James switched the play and sprayed passes out wide with ease was very pleasing on the eye". And then you went off topic to talk about goalkeepers in a thread about central midfielders! This is EVERYTHING that you are accusing me of doing! 

For reference, all of my posts fall within the message board guidelines, even the banter, whereas your behaviour is straying into the areas of harassment and bullying. You even broke the guidelines by starting a boxing thread FFS!! 

Maybe the mods can clarify this, so that we can get back to the business of talking about football, and what we actually think about it?

Guidelines

Basically, any Welsh footie stuff is fine, and so is going off on a tangent.

The only stuff that wont be tolerated is racism or bullying. and porn. oh, and england-obsessed fans...

Oh yeah, and no club vs club stuff either. banter is fine, but anything more is not.

[jimexotic]

You are on another level lad.

[athenempadu]

Jan 28, 2024 11:04:35 GMT jimexotic said:

You are on another level lad.

Don't worry, you'll get there one day 

[jimexotic]

Jan 28, 2024 11:06:52 GMT athenempadu said:

Jan 28, 2024 11:04:35 GMT jimexotic said:

You are on another level lad.

Don't worry, you'll get there one day 

Haha, great work, all of it, all of the paragraphs

PS - I never said that you know nothing about football, don't try and do me that way

Hopefully Beck gets a run out today, I have a feeling that Norwich will be lambs to the slaughter given that this is the first game since Klopp's announcement.

[athenempadu]

Jan 28, 2024 11:12:02 GMT jimexotic said:

Hopefully Beck gets a run out today, I have a feeling that Norwich will be lambs to the slaughter given that this is the first game since Klopp's announcement.

Yeah, I wondered what you were on about regarding Klopp in the other post. That came out of the blue, but he was starting to get very tetchy in interviews. He probably does need a break, and good on him for realising it. The thing is why did he bring Beck back if he knew he was leaving in a couple of months? I'd like to know the reasoning behind that.

[athenempadu]

Jan 28, 2024 11:12:02 GMT jimexotic said:

PS - I never said that you know nothing about football, don't try and do me that way

I actually don't know all that much about "modern" football, although I did start watching Man City when Pep-ball became a thing. I even learnt the drills, so that I could work out what they were doing during a game. I'm still learning though, and I pick a few different teams to watch every year from various leagues/countries. I've watched all the Leeds games this season due to the Welsh connection, so when Farke starts shaking his head on the touchline I can usually understand the reason for it. These days I find it more interesting to follow the managers rather than the clubs. I've done all the big names, and Nagelsmann was one of my favourites with his gegenpress. The problem I do have is how to counter every counter tactic, and some of the other in-game decisions. That's the real high level stuff that separates the men from the boys.

[surge]

Gomez went off on 55 mins with Liverpool 3-1 up against a Norwich side that's weaker than recent years.

A returning Robertson came on instead of Beck. It's right for Liverpool but disappointing for Beck - he will just have to make the most out of the few opportunities for game minutes.

[vaulksthrowfanclub]

He’s been royally shafted. Really poor. Hopefully Dundee get him back before the transfer window shuts.

[allezlesrouges]

While his stock is high I'd like to see him get picked up by Celtic or Rangers (preferably Celtic ofc!), it's a good standard and would put him in a really good position for a call up if he's regular for either of them