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Post by garynysmon on Oct 16, 2023 12:11:56 GMT
Stuff leaks, rumours spread, people put 2 and 2 together. Show me an organisation without any leaks.
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Post by njdragon on Oct 16, 2023 12:12:43 GMT
I'd have been more concerned/surprised if FAW higher ups hadn't been discussing managerial options after that woeful World Cup and dreadful results in June. It would be naïve to suggest otherwise. the results in june were written off for the world cup - no one was complaining then as we all knew the focus |
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Post by redwallnews on Oct 16, 2023 12:14:41 GMT
Stuff leaks, rumours spread, people put 2 and 2 together. Show me an organisation without any leaks. More professional outfits keep things in house, feels like it was leaked to undermine Page. |
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Post by garynysmon on Oct 16, 2023 12:18:42 GMT
I'd have been more concerned/surprised if FAW higher ups hadn't been discussing managerial options after that woeful World Cup and dreadful results in June. It would be naïve to suggest otherwise. the results in june were written off for the world cup - no one was complaining then as we all knew the focus I mean this year's June window. Armenia and Turkey. |
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Post by evans1282 on Oct 16, 2023 12:19:04 GMT
I said before and will say it again , Mooney is a fraud , crook ,phrase it how you like Men’s senior team the laughing stock of European football He’s ploughed millions of FAW money into grass roots football , women’s game for little reward 23 FAW staff have left the association during his 2 years in charge , seriously that’s not right He’s the wrong person for this post and should sod off back to Ireland or wherever he came from He’s rude , obnoxious and not even Welsh ( or British) Jonathan Ford , for all his faults would never ever have left Welsh football get this low I read your bile and am reminded of the saying, walks like a duck,looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, it's usually a closed minded cunt or bigot! |
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Post by Belle Vue on Oct 16, 2023 12:28:56 GMT
Lots of ducks there !!!
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Post by gwernybwch on Oct 16, 2023 15:31:07 GMT
Stuff leaks, rumours spread, people put 2 and 2 together. Show me an organisation without any leaks. More professional outfits keep things in house, feels like it was leaked to undermine Page. Something doesn't feel right here. I know that it initially came from a S(c)um journalist and they have a history of exaggerating the truth. But this journo (Phil Cadden) hasn't previously shown form on doing this with Wales. I would expect Mooney to be putting feelers out for potential new managers should the situation arise. He is 'media savvy', but his only denial was in a reply to a tweet. I would expect a review after each game and after each campaign, but there was no need for Mooney to come out at say it. It sure took Mr. 'tweetalot' along time to send a congratulations tweet to RP and the team. It feels that there is a bit of conflict going on between him and RP? |
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Post by garynysmon on Oct 16, 2023 15:54:39 GMT
It feels that there is a bit of conflict going on between him and RP? I think a lot of people have come to that conclusion. To be honest I don't rate Page and don't think he's the man to get the best out of this team, but he should have been sacked in December or July. Its not fair giving him the cold shoulder under some deluded notion he'll just resign and save the FAW cash/a load of hassle. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 16, 2023 15:58:11 GMT
It feels that there is a bit of conflict going on between him and RP? I think a lot of people have come to that conclusion. To be honest I don't rate Page and don't think he's the man to get the best out of this team, but he should have been sacked in December or July. Its not fair giving him the cold shoulder under some deluded notion he'll just resign and save the FAW cash/a load of hassle. Who do you think is the man can replicate last nights match - first time have beaten croatia? It baffles me, he played a blinder and the players obviously played for him. He's emotional, loves wales and has solved the problem of us losing 3 superstars. I dont get it. |
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Post by twofootedtackle on Oct 16, 2023 16:04:27 GMT
I’ve been reluctant to mention it but I’ve heard first hand from a current senior player that many in the Welsh camp think Mooney is a clown and he’s “killing welsh football” since his arrival.
His twitter posts in particular are viewed as strange, particularly given how closely knit and private the playing group are.
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Post by garynysmon on Oct 16, 2023 16:27:15 GMT
I think a lot of people have come to that conclusion. To be honest I don't rate Page and don't think he's the man to get the best out of this team, but he should have been sacked in December or July. Its not fair giving him the cold shoulder under some deluded notion he'll just resign and save the FAW cash/a load of hassle. Who do you think is the man can replicate last nights match - first time have beaten croatia? It baffles me, he played a blinder and the players obviously played for him. He's emotional, loves wales and has solved the problem of us losing 3 superstars. I dont get it. I don't think we should let one excellent result paper over the cracks. We were poor in the autumn and dreadful in the World Cup. We lost at home against Armenia and didn't lay a glove against Turkey. I don't think he's good enough tactically. Noel Mooney is the best thing that's ever happened to our domestic game and his vision is desperately needed if our national league is to ever improve. Jonathan Ford and his predecessors never showed any interest in improving it. Fine, some only care about the men's national team, but there's much more to the FAW than that. |
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Post by quetzal on Oct 16, 2023 16:36:04 GMT
Page & Mooney out would be the ideal scenario. Both not up to the task.
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Post by njdragon on Oct 16, 2023 16:38:46 GMT
Who do you think is the man can replicate last nights match - first time have beaten croatia? It baffles me, he played a blinder and the players obviously played for him. He's emotional, loves wales and has solved the problem of us losing 3 superstars. I dont get it. I don't think we should let one excellent result paper over the cracks. We were poor in the autumn and dreadful in the World Cup. We lost at home against Armenia and didn't lay a glove against Turkey. I don't think he's good enough tactically. Noel Mooney is the best thing that's ever happened to our domestic game and is desperately needed if our national league is to ever improve. Fine, some only care about the men's national team, but there's much more to the FAW than that. We were poor in the build up to the world cup but like i said we played top side and it was all sacrificed it for the world cup. We were dreadful in the world cup but we played the best CONCACAF team and loss v Asias best team. those 3 points dropped in armenia we picked up 4 off Croatia and bow on a bounce of 8 goals and 1 conceded in 4 games. i did quite like mooney but it looks like he's lost the manager and the players with poor communication. He's more likely to go. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 16, 2023 16:40:42 GMT
Page & Mooney out would be the ideal scenario. Both not up to the task. we just beat croatia for the first time ever. this is mental. It was one of the best games at the stadium and the result is up there with the best. we are second in the group and you want page out because of.. armenia. fickle, how many bad results did coleman have? Speed even. |
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Post by ddirpytnop on Oct 16, 2023 16:47:07 GMT
I’ve been reluctant to mention it but I’ve heard first hand from a current senior player that many in the Welsh camp think Mooney is a clown and he’s “killing welsh football” since his arrival. His twitter posts in particular are viewed as strange, particularly given how closely knit and private the playing group are. I don't follow Noel Mooney on Twitter but I've just scrolled back through his posts over the last 4 or 5 months. I couldn't find anything that one could describe as strange. Probably a bit boring if you're a professional footballer, I suppose - but definitely not strange. Are you sure the player in question wasn't getting Mooney confused with Elon Musk, or something. |
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Post by twofootedtackle on Oct 16, 2023 16:49:08 GMT
Great result, Armenia performance and Turkey still hurts.
Mooney however should go, so much talk and never enough action across the board. From grass routes to the welsh premier league.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 16, 2023 16:56:25 GMT
Who do you think is the man can replicate last nights match - first time have beaten croatia? It baffles me, he played a blinder and the players obviously played for him. He's emotional, loves wales and has solved the problem of us losing 3 superstars. I dont get it. I don't think we should let one excellent result paper over the cracks. We were poor in the autumn and dreadful in the World Cup. We lost at home against Armenia and didn't lay a glove against Turkey.I don't think he's good enough tactically. Noel Mooney is the best thing that's ever happened to our domestic game and his vision is desperately needed if our national league is to ever improve. Jonathan Ford and his predecessors never showed any interest in improving it. Fine, some only care about the men's national team, but there's much more to the FAW than that. Agree with the rest of your post, but I think whilst it was clear these performances were issues, the real trouble came from the fact it didn't look like Page knew how to solve them. But after these last two performances he seems to have solved the midfield issue, found a formation that works, and has improved the player's work rate too. I don't expect to see another performance like the first Armenia/Turkey ones when we play them again now. If we do we won't qualify and questions will be rightly asked, but I think we've turned a bit of a corner |
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Post by quetzal on Oct 16, 2023 16:56:56 GMT
Page & Mooney out would be the ideal scenario. Both not up to the task. we just beat croatia for the first time ever. this is mental. It was one of the best games at the stadium and the result is up there with the best. we are second in the group and you want page out because of.. armenia. fickle, how many bad results did coleman have? Speed even. Bit of tongue in cheek but the World Cup still hurts. Denmark humiliation still hurts. Armenia home I’ll give him some slack because I believe Eric Ramsey came in and some advice was taken onboard that went horribly wrong. But look yeah let’s hope we can pull it off. Rob keeps the job |
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Post by Belle Vue on Oct 16, 2023 17:58:56 GMT
Lots of people on here coming round to my way of thinking
Mooney is a DUCK
Mooney OUT
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Post by hooky on Oct 16, 2023 18:24:17 GMT
I think this is OTT on Mooney. What counts is what is said in public
For goodness sake he said we can't keep losing games and referenced the fact that there is always a review at the end of campaigns! So if we lost to Croatia and our last 2 games, then we would be happy with keeping Page? No we blooming wouldn't! This is high end elite sport. I said well done Page on here for last night despite being extremely critical of Page for 18 months or so, but you are supposed to win matches and not lose to Armenia!
His emotional responses make you feel sorry for him but as I said, I do not think the spotlight on his position is unwarranted when we have been rubbish since before the WC until last night's game. He really needs to tone down his emotional responses - its almost child like. Almost crying in the press conference and making clear he is pissed off with the FAW and so are the players and his coaching staff. If you are underperforming in your job then this is what happens - you are at risk. As I said I have seen him lose focus in games such as versus Estonia at home due to his emotions - such as when it was 0-0 by getting booked and wasting 1 min of our time in injury time. I also do not like the reference to my players are playing for me - it comes across as very defensive and emotional again. They are playing for their country, themselves and their families first. Sure they are behind you but that is a given. I like him and I am sure some of this emotion and passion can have a positive impact but it also can be a smokescreen and can avoid someone facing up to where they need to improve
Page did well yesterday but hopefully he works on his own shortcomings rather than blaming the FAW and others for the poor form we have shown before last night
On Mooney - as I said checking out other alternatives for Page given our terrible run, assuming he did this, is normal and is what he should be doing in his role is it not given how bad things had got, albeit if he really did think Keane would be a good replacement then he is obviously not the best judge of a manager! The idiots are the amateurs in the FAW who may have leaked such news - they should lose their jobs immediately as they caused all of this disunity.
On his strategy - at least he has an explicit strategy and he seems to be very focused on grass roots football in Wales, even discussed the lack of goalkeepers coming through 12-18 months ago and made clear the amount of investment grass roots football needs is massive! Other CEOs would be backslapping themselves and Welsh football and focused on the elite side of the game as that is what the vast majority of fans care about. Grass roots is far less sexy but surely it is good he is so focused on that for the longer term benefit and seems to also have a ruthless edge about him if needed?
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Post by njdragon on Oct 16, 2023 18:42:11 GMT
I think this is OTT on Mooney. What counts is what is said in public For goodness sake he said we can't keep losing games and referenced the fact that there is always a review at the end of campaigns! So if we lost to Croatia and our last 2 games, then we would be happy with keeping Page? No we blooming wouldn't! This is high end elite sport. I said well done Page on here for last night despite being extremely critical of Page for 18 months or so, but you are supposed to win matches and not lose to Armenia! His emotional responses make you feel sorry for him but as I said, I do not think the spotlight on his position is unwarranted when we have been rubbish since before the WC until last night's game. He really needs to tone down his emotional responses - its almost child like. Almost crying in the press conference and making clear he is pissed off with the FAW and so are the players and his coaching staff. If you are underperforming in your job then this is what happens - you are at risk. As I said I have seen him lose focus in games such as versus Estonia at home due to his emotions - such as when it was 0-0 by getting booked and wasting 1 min of our time in injury time. I also do not like the reference to my players are playing for me - it comes across as very defensive and emotional again. They are playing for their country, themselves and their families first. Sure they are behind you but that is a given. I like him and I am sure some of this emotion and passion can have a positive impact but it also can be a smokescreen and can avoid someone facing up to where they need to improve Page did well yesterday but hopefully he works on his own shortcomings rather than blaming the FAW and others for the poor form we have shown before last night On Mooney - as I said checking out other alternatives for Page given our terrible run, assuming he did this, is normal and is what he should be doing in his role is it not given how bad things had got, albeit if he really did think Keane would be a good replacement then he is obviously not the best judge of a manager! The idiots are the amateurs in the FAW who may have leaked such news - they should lose their jobs immediately as they caused all of this disunity. On his strategy - at least he has an explicit strategy and he seems to be very focused on grass roots football in Wales, even discussed the lack of goalkeepers coming through 12-18 months ago and made clear the amount of investment grass roots football needs is massive! Other CEOs would be backslapping themselves and Welsh football and focused on the elite side of the game as that is what the vast majority of fans care about. Grass roots is far less sexy but surely it is good he is so focused on that for the longer term benefit and seems to also have a ruthless edge about him if needed? Bloody hell not even 24 hours gone from a fantastic result and you lot are already out with the pitch forks again. Pathetic when you have to resort to picking apart his interviews or him being emotional on tv. Not sure why you think he's blaming the FAW. Try and enjoy a wales game for once rather than this blind bashing, be grateful for what we have and the way we are able to take games like this by the scruff. Its been a long time coming. |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Oct 16, 2023 18:51:28 GMT
Mooney's alright IMO - I genuinely think he wants us to succeed. He does things differently to his predecessors, but then the world's changed. He's a colourful personality. He's sent out a tweet saying "well done to Rob and the lads",that the Red Wall was "immense" last night,and that we all move on to Yerevan. What's not to like?
OK, he may have been sounding out third parties in confidence about coaching Wales some time in the future (and it's unfortunate if that was leaked to the press) but it's a Chief Exec's prerogative in any business sector to be constantly looking ahead into the future so that things don't stand still / go stale / go downhill.
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Post by hooky on Oct 16, 2023 19:33:07 GMT
I think this is OTT on Mooney. What counts is what is said in public For goodness sake he said we can't keep losing games and referenced the fact that there is always a review at the end of campaigns! So if we lost to Croatia and our last 2 games, then we would be happy with keeping Page? No we blooming wouldn't! This is high end elite sport. I said well done Page on here for last night despite being extremely critical of Page for 18 months or so, but you are supposed to win matches and not lose to Armenia! His emotional responses make you feel sorry for him but as I said, I do not think the spotlight on his position is unwarranted when we have been rubbish since before the WC until last night's game. He really needs to tone down his emotional responses - its almost child like. Almost crying in the press conference and making clear he is pissed off with the FAW and so are the players and his coaching staff. If you are underperforming in your job then this is what happens - you are at risk. As I said I have seen him lose focus in games such as versus Estonia at home due to his emotions - such as when it was 0-0 by getting booked and wasting 1 min of our time in injury time. I also do not like the reference to my players are playing for me - it comes across as very defensive and emotional again. They are playing for their country, themselves and their families first. Sure they are behind you but that is a given. I like him and I am sure some of this emotion and passion can have a positive impact but it also can be a smokescreen and can avoid someone facing up to where they need to improve Page did well yesterday but hopefully he works on his own shortcomings rather than blaming the FAW and others for the poor form we have shown before last night On Mooney - as I said checking out other alternatives for Page given our terrible run, assuming he did this, is normal and is what he should be doing in his role is it not given how bad things had got, albeit if he really did think Keane would be a good replacement then he is obviously not the best judge of a manager! The idiots are the amateurs in the FAW who may have leaked such news - they should lose their jobs immediately as they caused all of this disunity. On his strategy - at least he has an explicit strategy and he seems to be very focused on grass roots football in Wales, even discussed the lack of goalkeepers coming through 12-18 months ago and made clear the amount of investment grass roots football needs is massive! Other CEOs would be backslapping themselves and Welsh football and focused on the elite side of the game as that is what the vast majority of fans care about. Grass roots is far less sexy but surely it is good he is so focused on that for the longer term benefit and seems to also have a ruthless edge about him if needed? Bloody hell not even 24 hours gone from a fantastic result and you lot are already out with the pitch forks again. Pathetic when you have to resort to picking apart his interviews or him being emotional on tv. Not sure why you think he's blaming the FAW. Try and enjoy a wales game for once rather than this blind bashing, be grateful for what we have and the way we are able to take games like this by the scruff. Its been a long time coming. I was ecstatic and I praised Page - look at my comments. I just state that all of us have to look at ourselves when we are failing rather than be defensive about things and blame others. When you earn a third of a million a year (over 10x the average household earnings in the UK which i believe is below £30k a year) then you are in a job where you have to be producing and you are always at risk if you underperform. That is my point and you can't get too emotional about things. Just my opinion! If he delivers in our next 2 matches then he deserves to continue regardless of his coaching deficiencies. I just hope he looks at himself and challenges himself rather than blames others, as if he does not then he is not going to improve is he? Whenever you get paid big bucks (and >£300k is big even if it is on the low side compared to the salaries of the big teams) then you have to perform and get results to keep your job over the cycle. Its that simple |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Oct 16, 2023 19:33:35 GMT
Mooney's alright IMO - I genuinely think he wants us to succeed. He does things differently to his predecessors, but then the world's changed. He's a colourful personality. He's sent out a tweet saying "well done to Rob and the lads",that the Red Wall was "immense" last night,and that we all move on to Yerevan. What's not to like? OK, he may have been sounding out third parties in confidence about coaching Wales some time in the future (and it's unfortunate if that was leaked to the press) but it's a Chief Exec's prerogative in any business sector to be constantly looking ahead into the future so that things don't stand still / go stale / go downhill. Checking out third parties, fair enough, given how we were performing at the time. Are we that desperate to send out feelers to ROY KEANE of all people to takeover? I'm sure this message board would explode if that ever happened. If the story is true, then Mooney's credibility as CEO is brought into question in my opinion. Must have had one Guinness too many. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 16, 2023 20:53:07 GMT
Are people still believing the Roy Keane guff? It’s so obviously lazy journalism from the Sun, come on
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Post by dai on Oct 17, 2023 8:03:37 GMT
Are people still believing the Roy Keane guff? It’s so obviously lazy journalism from the Sun, come on Page and the players did/do........... |
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Post by pclaude on Oct 17, 2023 8:24:57 GMT
Great result, Armenia performance and Turkey still hurts. Mooney however should go, so much talk and never enough action across the board. From grass routes to the welsh premier league. I think it would be almost impossible to see any benefit of any changes he has put through yet. He talks very well and seems to communicate. My issue with him is the mounting evidence that he has lost support of his staff. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 17, 2023 8:48:50 GMT
Are people still believing the Roy Keane guff? It’s so obviously lazy journalism from the Sun, come on Page and the players did/do........... How do you know? I haven't seen anything from them about Roy Keane |
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Post by dai on Oct 17, 2023 9:27:14 GMT
Page and the players did/do........... How do you know? I haven't seen anything from them about Roy Keane Who was Page referring to in the interviews regarding 'noises from outside the camp' and from 'unexpected sources'. Same with Harry Wilsons' post match interview. Are they referring to someone else? |
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 17, 2023 9:30:17 GMT
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