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Post by njdragon on Oct 17, 2023 9:43:12 GMT
Page and the players did/do........... How do you know? I haven't seen anything from them about Roy Keane Wilson, Davies and Page have all mentioned about comments that have come from people you wouldn't expect. The comment from Page one text in 5 weeks was clearly a dig at mooney and for him to say that day the rumours came out he had not spoken to the CEO I read that Owain Tudor Jones thinks there is something in it also. Its 2 and 2 but whatever is happening there is a huge breakdown in communication within, where the CEO will respond to strangers on twitter rather than call page to respond to rumours surrounding his job. Maybe he has buckled with fan power but i dont think the FAW has ever been an association to respond to calls from the fans to remove a manager. And rightly so, we're all just idiots on a forum that think we talk a good game. |
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Post by dai on Oct 17, 2023 9:58:02 GMT
Do you really think Page and the players are going to give a toss what a journalist writes? Let alone address paper/journalist gossip in the public domain. They're referring to Mooney, not the papers or journalists. That's pretty obvious. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 17, 2023 10:05:17 GMT
Do you really think Page and the players are going to give a toss what a journalist writes? Let alone address paper/journalist gossip in the public domain. They're referring to Mooney, not the papers or journalists. That's pretty obvious. totally... even Davies said its 'noise coming from within the organisation' |
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 17, 2023 10:06:34 GMT
The noise started with the reports from the Sun and Daily Mail, keep up.
njdragon...I agree it looks like relationships within the FAW may have soured but that doesn't mean Roy Keane was being tapped up. That was just lazy journalism because he and Mooney are Irish.
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Post by dai on Oct 17, 2023 10:15:21 GMT
The noise started with the reports from the Sun and Daily Mail, keep up. njdragon...I agree it looks like relationships within the FAW may have soured but that doesn't mean Roy Keane was being tapped up. That was just lazy journalism because he and Mooney are Irish. If it was just 'lazy journalism' then wouldn't you think Page and the players would just brush it off as nonsense? Bale was an expert at rising above tabloid gossip, however this 'rumour' seems to have rattled the whole camp, and the fact a number of them have addressed it publicly suggests it's bigger than just 'lazy journalism'. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 17, 2023 10:19:49 GMT
The noise started with the reports from the Sun and Daily Mail, keep up. njdragon...I agree it looks like relationships within the FAW may have soured but that doesn't mean Roy Keane was being tapped up. That was just lazy journalism because he and Mooney are Irish. Yes maybe so, not so much the story but how Mooney has handled it - thats worrying. It could be true, maybe not.. who knows but what is apparent is there is they are no longer working closely together as you would expect. Wasn't he even at the game? Apart from strangers on twitter why has he not publicly denied these rumours and give page his backing. Its not helpful. IM sure the FAW will be looking into this but if their relationship has broken down (as it seems) it would compromise both their positions. |
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Post by surge on Oct 17, 2023 10:34:07 GMT
Go back on this board far enough and you can see people frustrated that Mooney didn't sack Page at a community event after that recent disastrous international window...
I think it's likely that the story has been exaggerated and/or spun - Roy Keane is so out there as a suggestion - and released this weekend because media knows there are people ready to click on such headlines. The argument that no one writes about Wales so it must be true is still such a silly argument to make.
Some people dislike Mooney's style of speaking, some dislike him wanting to change grassroots (hello Llantwit Major twitter page) even though desperately needed (hell Llantwit Major board and lack of goalies coming through) or even greater support for women's football and are ready to put the boot in. Others may or may not be noticing worrying signs under him - I don't have the knowledge to say either way.
However, it does seem to have been believed in camp and at least partly true. Don't think we can say that relationship is broken but it needs working on.
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 17, 2023 10:45:04 GMT
The noise started with the reports from the Sun and Daily Mail, keep up. njdragon...I agree it looks like relationships within the FAW may have soured but that doesn't mean Roy Keane was being tapped up. That was just lazy journalism because he and Mooney are Irish. If it was just 'lazy journalism' then wouldn't you think Page and the players would just brush it off as nonsense? Bale was an expert at rising above tabloid gossip, however this 'rumour' seems to have rattled the whole camp, and the fact a number of them have addressed it publicly suggests it's bigger than just 'lazy journalism'. So you really think the FAW approached Roy Keane to take over as manager in June as reported by such reputable rags as the Sun? You're right its not just lazy journalism...its total bollox |
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Post by dai on Oct 17, 2023 10:51:36 GMT
If it was just 'lazy journalism' then wouldn't you think Page and the players would just brush it off as nonsense? Bale was an expert at rising above tabloid gossip, however this 'rumour' seems to have rattled the whole camp, and the fact a number of them have addressed it publicly suggests it's bigger than just 'lazy journalism'. So you really think the FAW approached Roy Keane to take over as manager in June as reported by such reputable rags as the Sun? You're right its not just lazy journalism...its total bollox That's not actually what's being reported, the mains storyline is that 'Mooney wanted Keane as the next manager'. Are Page and the players stupid for falling for it then? |
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 17, 2023 11:07:52 GMT
They haven't fallen for it Dai, they are pissed at the 'noise' and bullshit stories about Page's future like that ridiculous headline.
The reaction on all fronts has been over the top but fair play to Page and the players for instilling a siege mentality off the back of it. Da iawn hogia
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Post by welrus on Oct 17, 2023 12:19:57 GMT
Well, where is Mooney:
- Is he doing a good job with things like grass roots etc, so hard to tell. Its not something that has short term impact.
- Staff are leaving. Maybe but that's not unusual when somebody brings change.
- Has he been considering other managers. Of course he should have been given Pages record prior to Sunday.
- Should he have been considering Roy Keane. No no. But then was he or was this just journalist licence.
All that is OK by me but more worryingly Page and Mooney hardly seem to be speaking. Didn't Page say they hadn't spoken for four or five weeks and then he just got a text. I find that worrying and just wrong and something that will not serve Wales well.
One good thing is that this does seem to have confirmed the team and coaches are still very much as one. Something that is essential for a small country like Wales. I was starting to think maybe team spirit wasn't as strong as it used to be but Sunday looks to have demonstrated the opposite.
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Post by twofootedtackle on Oct 18, 2023 9:35:03 GMT
Very concerning yet another key staff member is leaving. The past 18 months a lot of people have left the organisation. Whatever Mooney is doing it isn’t working
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Post by njdragon on Oct 18, 2023 9:56:50 GMT
Very concerning yet another key staff member is leaving. The past 18 months a lot of people have left the organisation. Whatever Mooney is doing it isn’t working who is leaving? |
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Post by twofootedtackle on Oct 18, 2023 10:11:16 GMT
Ian Mitchell.
We’ve now lost Albert Stuivenberg, Eric Ramsay, Tony Strudwick and now Ian Mitchell. Plus a whole host of office and commercial staff.
Not sure what Mooney is doing but it’s not a good look.
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Post by njdragon on Oct 18, 2023 10:18:59 GMT
Ian Mitchell. We’ve now lost Albert Stuivenberg, Eric Ramsay, Tony Strudwick and now Ian Mitchell. Plus a whole host of office and commercial staff. Not sure what Mooney is doing but it’s not a good look. thats a pity big part of euro 16 and only rejoined in april... part of cost cutting maybe? |
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Post by daearegwr on Oct 18, 2023 10:31:36 GMT
Gone to Newcastle United as Head of Psychology - www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cd1lwzwde2xoBig opportunity isn't it and probably with a significant bump in pay vs what Wales can offer. Don't blame him for going |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 18, 2023 15:01:21 GMT
Very concerning yet another key staff member is leaving. The past 18 months a lot of people have left the organisation. Whatever Mooney is doing it isn’t workingIf you think it's the CEO's fault that Newcastle is a more desirable destination for our staff than we are, then I think you'll be willing to blame any of our CEO's for anything The fact is Newcastle are on their way to becoming one of the biggest clubs in the world, and it's an amazing opportunity for Mitchell. I wish him all the best |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Oct 19, 2023 14:28:19 GMT
Ian Mitchell has stated that he will be pleased, despite getting the job at Newcastle, to continue with his role with the Cymru/Wales men's national team for the remainder of the European Championship campaign.
Folks come and go in big football organisations. Don't think this is anything to do with Noel Mooney.
Ian has also showed allegiance to us by insisting to Newcastle that he sees out the current Euro '24 qualifiers with us.
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Post by surge on Oct 19, 2023 15:50:49 GMT
Gus Williams came back from Blackburn wrth gwrs.
I don't know what this means mind. With each new job move it's always personal decision based on multiple factors.
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Post by athenempadu on Oct 19, 2023 22:07:13 GMT
Ian Mitchell. We’ve now lost Albert Stuivenberg, Eric Ramsay, Tony Strudwick and now Ian Mitchell. Plus a whole host of office and commercial staff. Not sure what Mooney is doing but it’s not a good look. Ramsey was working directly with Page on a part-time basis. Maybe he didn't like his way of doing things because he wasn't there very long? |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 20, 2023 11:32:47 GMT
Ian Mitchell. We’ve nowadays lost Albert Stuivenberg, Eric Ramsay, Tony Strudwick and now Ian Mitchell. Plus a whole host of office and commercial staff. Not sure what Mooney is doing but it’s not a good look. Ramsey was working directly with Page on a part-time basis. Maybe he didn't like his way of doing things because he wasn't there very long? Also our results whilst Ramsey was there were not good, and we've moved away from Ramsey's style of play anyway. So in hindsight I think it's been the best move for all parties |
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Post by morg on Oct 26, 2023 19:15:42 GMT
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Post by pclaude on Oct 26, 2023 19:42:05 GMT
Well, either Mooney or Page is lying. Page said after the Wrexham visit that they hadn’t spoken for 5 weeks didnt he? |
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Post by surge on Oct 26, 2023 20:00:49 GMT
Ultimately two things are true:
- the relationship needed working on to continue on positive track and this seems to be step towards that;
- we've got two huge games coming up before next mini-review. Need the same togetherness we had for the Croatia game.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 26, 2023 20:03:08 GMT
Agreed. Whatever the back story, it's right that Mooney should attempt to smooth things now. Together Stronger and all that jazz.
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Post by Belle Vue on Oct 27, 2023 6:45:17 GMT
Liar
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Post by quetzal on Oct 27, 2023 8:17:25 GMT
If I was CEO I’d be sounding out new managers after our World Cup performance. Turkey were top of the group(now qualified), sacked Kuntz. Seems to me Page and players used The Sun (the fucking Sun) to stir the camp. It worked! All very dramatic and a massive storm in a teacup.
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Post by texan on Oct 27, 2023 9:53:02 GMT
If I was CEO I’d be sounding out new managers after our World Cup performance. Turkey were top of the group(now qualified), sacked Kuntz. Seems to me Page and players used The Sun (the fucking Sun) to stir the camp. It worked! All very dramatic and a massive storm in a teacup. Nothing Mooney said in Wrexham was in any way controversial, in fact its probably what any fan would want to hear...that they're continuously reviewing everything going forward and that results on the pitch is ultimately what matters most (after several decades of that being the last thing on the FAW's mind!). In that same interview Mooney even backed Page by saying the FAW is not into knee-jerk reactions and that "that's not us [FAW]"...funny how that was ignored by the Sun isn't it! This was not Mooney, neither was it the players and Page. The only ones that should be under scrutiny here are Phil Cadden and the Sun! |
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Post by garynysmon on Oct 27, 2023 12:39:51 GMT
I wasn't hearing a lot of support for Page after Armenia/Turkey. Mooney seems to be taking a lot of flak now for sounding out what I'd wager a majority of Wales fans were calling for at the time, a change of management.
Beating Croatia has saved Page's bacon and changed the narrative now, but let's not pretend he couldn't count himself fortunate to still be in the job come kick-off in Riga.
If Wales had a great World Cup and would have been offered a Premier League or top Championship job in January, Page would have left. The FAW should always be considering alternatives, particularly when things are looking dicey and potentially not qualifying for Eur0 2024 and its desperately needed financial rewards.
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Post by pclaude on Oct 28, 2023 12:52:52 GMT
I wasn't hearing a lot of support for Page after Armenia/Turkey. Mooney seems to be taking a lot of flak now for sounding out what I'd wager a majority of Wales fans were calling for at the time, a change of management. Beating Croatia has saved Page's bacon and changed the narrative now, but let's not pretend he couldn't count himself fortunate to still be in the job come kick-off in Riga. If Wales had a great World Cup and would have been offered a Premier League or top Championship job in January, Page would have left. The FAW should always be considering alternatives, particularly when things are looking dicey and potentially not qualifying for Eur0 2024 and its desperately needed financial rewards. Ive read through the posts above. Mooney is not taking much flak, if any, for sounding out managers since June. Mooney is taking flak. from Belle Vue as he’s been saying shit for years. he is taking flak from some on the basis he spoke to Roy Keane. deserved if he did. Keane is useless. He is taking flak from most, including me, as we are hearing that he is not rated by FAW staff, coaches & players. He doesnt have their confidence. At least one such criticism is in the public domain and came the day after the Croatia game |
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