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Post by jimexotic on Apr 22, 2023 23:48:25 GMT
A game against Gibraltar to bed him in with his teammates would be ideal if you ask me
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 23, 2023 2:06:56 GMT
Making fools of anyone saying he isn't good enough. He's absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by morg on Apr 23, 2023 4:27:24 GMT
Given that he's apparently got this knee issue that needs to be sorted out this summer, Gibraltar at the Racecourse sounds ideal to me. (though can't see that the owners would want him left out of their US tour?)
Point taken re it's only Gibraltar so what's the point but it would still get him into and used to the set up and would be great for Cymru's return to North Wales.
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Post by marsvolta on Apr 23, 2023 4:50:39 GMT
Given that he's apparently got this knee issue that needs to be sorted out this summer, Gibraltar at the Racecourse sounds ideal to me. (though can't see that the owners would want him left out of their US tour?) Point taken re it's only Gibraltar so what's the point but it would still get him into and used to the set up and would be great for Cymru's return to North Wales. Yes, it’s an ideal game to get him into the squad. I wasn’t suggesting that he shouldn’t play against Gibraltar, more that we wouldn’t learn any more than we already know |
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Post by bringbackelmo on Apr 23, 2023 10:10:17 GMT
Making fools of anyone saying he isn't good enough. He's absolutely ridiculous. The guy is playing in the 5th tier. They were two good goals but he was playing against Boreham Wood FFS. People have absolutely lost their heads over Wrexham. I know it's a tough league to get out of as well as anyone, and it's all very exciting, but come on. |
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Post by jimexotic on Apr 23, 2023 10:25:13 GMT
The Coventry City and Sheffield United matches were all the proof we needed that there was no doubt, he's in the ascendancy, the time is now.
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Post by zserty on Apr 23, 2023 10:37:41 GMT
Making fools of anyone saying he isn't good enough. He's absolutely ridiculous. The guy is playing in the 5th tier. They were two good goals but he was playing against Boreham Wood FFS. People have absolutely lost their heads over Wrexham. I know it's a tough league to get out of as well as anyone, and it's all very exciting, but come on. Goals by League level: League 1: 3 in 20 League 2: 69 in 236 Vanarama: 64 in 83 Thats the reality. Who would he get into the squad infront of in the attacking positions (Moore, Johnson, Roberts, James, Cullen, Bradshaw. All playong Prem or Championship football pretty regularly). |
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Post by jimexotic on Apr 23, 2023 10:43:42 GMT
Peter Taylor played in the third tier of English football and was capped by England, scoring on his debut I think, he scored against us!
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Post by garynysmon on Apr 23, 2023 10:44:34 GMT
The guy is playing in the 5th tier. They were two good goals but he was playing against Boreham Wood FFS. People have absolutely lost their heads over Wrexham. I know it's a tough league to get out of as well as anyone, and it's all very exciting, but come on. Goals by League level: League 1: 3 in 20 League 2: 69 in 236 Vanarama: 64 in 83 Thats the reality. Who would he get into the squad infront of in the attacking positions (Moore, Johnson, Roberts, James, Cullen, Bradshaw. All playong Prem or Championship football pretty regularly). In fairness plenty of players have taken a few years to come into themselves. I fully expect him to continue scoring goals for Wrexham in League Two next season and add to that tally. My main point is that willingly dropping down 2-3 leagues, when you're in your mid to late 20's to a team that you know is going to create shedloads of chances (and artificially bolster your profile), shouldn't really be considered beneficial for your international prospects. In the late 90s Eifion Williams scored 68 goals in 60 games for Barry Town in the League of Wales, yet no one was seriously suggesting him for international honours, going on to become a decently prolific goalscorer in a very average L2/L1 side without any real investment. I suspect there are more paralels there than one may think. |
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Post by dai on Apr 23, 2023 10:53:17 GMT
Making fools of anyone saying he isn't good enough. He's absolutely ridiculous. The guy is playing in the 5th tier. They were two good goals but he was playing against Boreham Wood FFS. People have absolutely lost their heads over Wrexham. I know it's a tough league to get out of as well as anyone, and it's all very exciting, but come on. It doesn't matter if he's playing against Boreham, Chelsea or someone in the Carmarthenshire 2nd Division, if he can score goals like that with both feet under that amount of pressure, then that is the sign of a VERY good player. We'll see how he does next season though. It's a crying shame he's at the wrong end of 20 though, even though he doesn't look it on pitch. He's an absolute menace, and it's a joy to watch. |
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Post by zserty on Apr 23, 2023 11:00:20 GMT
Goals by League level: League 1: 3 in 20 League 2: 69 in 236 Vanarama: 64 in 83 Thats the reality. Who would he get into the squad infront of in the attacking positions (Moore, Johnson, Roberts, James, Cullen, Bradshaw. All playong Prem or Championship football pretty regularly). In fairness plenty of players have taken a few years to come into themselves. I fully expect him to continue scoring goals for Wrexham in League Two next season and add to that tally. My main point is that willingly dropping down 2-3 leagues, when you're in your mid to late 20's to a team that you know is going to create shedloads of chances (and artificially bolster your profile), shouldn't really be considered beneficial for your international prospects. In the late 90s Eifion Williams scored 68 goals in 60 games for Barry Town in the League of Wales, yet no one was seriously suggesting him for international honours, going on to become a decently prolific goalscorer in a very average L2/L1 side without any real investment. I suspect there are more paralels there than one may think. I don't doubt that he will score 20+ next season in league 2, probably pretty comfortably. I just think it is the timing of it, he's 28 playing vanarama and we have at least 6 or 7 attacking players at Premier League/Championship clubs. He would've most likely made a squad a while back when we were calling up the likes of Simon Church and George Williams. |
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Post by janglingjack on Apr 23, 2023 11:00:28 GMT
I think if he was 21 he would have been in the National squad by now.
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Post by morg on Apr 23, 2023 11:43:47 GMT
Would the likes of Bradshaw,Roberts,Cullen etc scored those two goals against that opposition last night?
Get the argument re level he's playing at but his work rate, technique, nous and finishing ability are exceptional.
Given that he's carrying an injury, his effort around the field is phenomenal. He goes looking for work all the time. I just don't see the risk.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 23, 2023 11:46:18 GMT
With that sort of finishing, it doesn't matter what level you're at.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 23, 2023 11:48:08 GMT
The guy is playing in the 5th tier. They were two good goals but he was playing against Boreham Wood FFS. People have absolutely lost their heads over Wrexham. I know it's a tough league to get out of as well as anyone, and it's all very exciting, but come on. Goals by League level: League 1: 3 in 20 League 2: 69 in 236 Vanarama: 64 in 83 Thats the reality. Who would he get into the squad infront of in the attacking positions (Moore, Johnson, Roberts, James, Cullen, Bradshaw. All playong Prem or Championship football pretty regularly). Only Johnson, out of those, would I fancy bagging a goal for us ahead of Mullin. |
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Post by hooky on Apr 23, 2023 12:03:02 GMT
Goals by League level: League 1: 3 in 20 League 2: 69 in 236 Vanarama: 64 in 83 Thats the reality. Who would he get into the squad infront of in the attacking positions (Moore, Johnson, Roberts, James, Cullen, Bradshaw. All playong Prem or Championship football pretty regularly). Only Johnson, out of those, would I fancy bagging a goal for us ahead of Mullin. 100% agree Roberts 1 on 1 with Estonian keeper. James several 1 on 1s when having a crisis of confidence Both - you sensed they were unlikely to score Mullin is an exceptional finisher Sure a Championship or Premier League defender probably does not allow him to turn him like he did for his first last night, but when given the chance then you can not finish much better than that whatever the level you play at. Not many keepers would be able to save that shot in the top corner at that pace. It was top, top class. Then he finishes expertly with his other foot. Am totally convinced he is far better and more effective than someone like Harris. Look at his physicality and his aggressive side. he does not have a clear significant weakness from what I can see. He even heads the ball with missile precision - you do not see many players heading the ball with power over the keeper with dip from angles! His variety of goals looks pretty exceptional |
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Post by zserty on Apr 23, 2023 12:13:30 GMT
Only Johnson, out of those, would I fancy bagging a goal for us ahead of Mullin. 100% agree Roberts 1 on 1 with Estonian keeper. James several 1 on 1s when having a crisis of confidence Both - you sensed they were unlikely to score Mullin is an exceptional finisher Sure a Championship or Premier League defender probably does not allow him to turn him like he did for his first last night, but when given the chance then you can not finish much better than that whatever the level you play at. Not many keepers would be able to save that shot in the top corner at that pace. It was top, top class. Then he finishes expertly with his other foot. Am totally convinced he is far better and more effective than someone like Harris. Look at his physicality and his aggressive side. he does not have a clear significant weakness from what I can see. He even heads the ball with missile precision - you do not see many players heading the ball with power over the keeper with dip from angles! His variety of goals looks pretty exceptional Can't argue that Mullin is a good finisher. It's a bit disappointing that when given the chance to go up to league 1 he didn't take it. As surely if he would've gone up and even scored say 15 he would've been called up (in my opinion). However i could understand if he made the squad over someone like Harris, I'm not really sure what he offers to the squad. |
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Post by morg on Apr 23, 2023 12:39:01 GMT
100% agree Roberts 1 on 1 with Estonian keeper. James several 1 on 1s when having a crisis of confidence Both - you sensed they were unlikely to score Mullin is an exceptional finisher Sure a Championship or Premier League defender probably does not allow him to turn him like he did for his first last night, but when given the chance then you can not finish much better than that whatever the level you play at. Not many keepers would be able to save that shot in the top corner at that pace. It was top, top class. Then he finishes expertly with his other foot. Am totally convinced he is far better and more effective than someone like Harris. Look at his physicality and his aggressive side. he does not have a clear significant weakness from what I can see. He even heads the ball with missile precision - you do not see many players heading the ball with power over the keeper with dip from angles! His variety of goals looks pretty exceptional Can't argue that Mullin is a good finisher. It's a bit disappointing that when given the chance to go up to league 1 he didn't take it. As surely if he would've gone up and even scored say 15 he would've been called up (in my opinion). However i could understand if he made the squad over someone like Harris, I'm not really sure what he offers to the squad. Think the documentary gives a good insight into why he went to Wrexham. They went after him for a start and told him they were going to build a team round him. Looks like it was almost McIlhenny's suggestion. (One name keeps coming up on my twitter feed) The football guys at the club seemed doubtful to say the least that they'd get him but they went for it anyway. American negotiation! They got Parkinson the same way. Also Mullin spoke a lot about wanting to be with his family. Not everyone's a have boots will travel merchant! Matt Le Tissier?? I expect 200k+ salary probably helped too!! |
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Post by bale-droed on Apr 23, 2023 13:30:36 GMT
There’s a video of him singing “fuck the Tories“ at 2am In MacDonalds.
Good enough reason for a call up in my opinion.
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Post by surge on Apr 23, 2023 14:06:33 GMT
Ellis Harrison went from being 1 in 4'ish striker at League One level to 1 in 6'ish to 1 in 3'ish. That can be explained yes by working hard to develop his skills but also confidence, playing style of team overall, role in team, personal in opposition etc.
Think it's wrong to say this player scored x goals, this player scored less than x goals and therefore former is better player.
(Think it's wrong to dent latter player's confidence further by getting worried before they take the shot).
Mark Harris is one of the most frustrating footballer's I've seen. A 60 second video of his best moments would have anyone saying he'd do a job at top of Championship and, at his relatively young age, he might grow into Premier League player, but it's far too inconsistent.
Liam Cullen looks next in line for call-up on basis of his fine form since December. If pressed I would guess that Mullin's a striker who would more easily play at international level than Cullen based on how international football is a different beast, though I'm sure Cullen's heard this everyday (senior football different beast to youth etc.) and is working hard to prove everyone wrong.
Other player's mentioned aren't really striker's and more attacking players/forwards.
I'm not against Mullin being called up especially for Gibraltar friendly.
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Post by fiveattheback on Apr 23, 2023 14:25:39 GMT
Goals by League level: League 1: 3 in 20 League 2: 69 in 236 Vanarama: 64 in 83 Thats the reality. Who would he get into the squad infront of in the attacking positions (Moore, Johnson, Roberts, James, Cullen, Bradshaw. All playong Prem or Championship football pretty regularly). Only Johnson, out of those, would I fancy bagging a goal for us ahead of Mullin. Oh come on. Kieffer Moore has a 1 in 3 record at internationals, Tom Bradshaw has 15 goals at a higher level than Mullin's ever played at, Cullen has 8. This is all getting a little silly. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Apr 23, 2023 14:28:04 GMT
The guy is playing in the 5th tier. They were two good goals but he was playing against Boreham Wood FFS. People have absolutely lost their heads over Wrexham. I know it's a tough league to get out of as well as anyone, and it's all very exciting, but come on. , if he can score goals like that with both feet under that amount of pressure, then that is the sign of a VERY good player. We'll see how he does next season though. It's a crying shame he's at the wrong end of 20 though, even though he doesn't look it on pitch. He's an absolute menace, and it's a joy to watch. Yes it does! I've seen the much maligned Mark Harris score screamers in the Championship, pro footballers have that in their locker especially if they're playing at a level lower than their ability I'm all for Mullin to getting a shot (provided he does actually qualify), but some of the stuff being said about him is a little over the top |
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Post by dai on Apr 23, 2023 14:53:47 GMT
It doesn't matter if he's playing against Boreham, Chelsea or someone in the Carmarthenshire 2nd Division, if he can score goals like that with both feet under that amount of pressure, then that is the sign of a VERY good player. We'll see how he does next season though. It's a crying shame he's at the wrong end of 20 though, even though he doesn't look it on pitch. He's an absolute menace, and it's a joy to watch. Yes it does! I've seen the much maligned Mark Harris score screamers in the Championship, pro footballers have that in their locker especially if they're playing at a level lower than their ability I'm all for Mullin to getting a shot (provided he does actually qualify), but some of the stuff being said about him is a little over the top I don't think it's over the top at all. Mark Harris screamers? As in more than one? C'mon now. He's only scored 9 goals in total for Cardiff - Mullin has scored more screamers in half a season than what Harris has probably achieved in all of his career. The guy is very talented, and I don't think it's over the top at all having actually watched him play and perform well against actual Championship opposition. Can you see Mark Harris getting 40+ goals a season in the NL? Don't think so. |
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Post by marsvolta on Apr 23, 2023 14:54:09 GMT
The most amazing thing about Mullin is how unremarkable his career has been until the last few years.
Unbelievable how much he’s exploded in his late 20s
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 23, 2023 15:41:25 GMT
Only Johnson, out of those, would I fancy bagging a goal for us ahead of Mullin. Oh come on. Kieffer Moore has a 1 in 3 record at internationals, Tom Bradshaw has 15 goals at a higher level than Mullin's ever played at, Cullen has 8. This is all getting a little silly. I've watched them all play, Mullin's the better finisher. If you disagree then I don't think you've seen enough of Mullin. 8 goals at Championship level, lol. Great argument. You would be going absolutely insane if Kieffer scored the first one that Mullin buried yesterday. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 23, 2023 15:44:34 GMT
The most amazing thing about Mullin is how unremarkable his career has been until the last few years. Unbelievable how much he’s exploded in his late 20s Richie Lambert vibes. He made his debut for England in his 30s, playing 11 times and scoring thrice. |
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Post by zserty on Apr 23, 2023 15:49:30 GMT
Oh come on. Kieffer Moore has a 1 in 3 record at internationals, Tom Bradshaw has 15 goals at a higher level than Mullin's ever played at, Cullen has 8. This is all getting a little silly. I've watched them all play, Mullin's the better finisher. If you disagree then I don't think you've seen enough of Mullin. 8 goals at Championship level, lol. Great argument. You would be going absolutely insane if Kieffer scored the first one that Mullin buried yesterday. The problem isn't the amount of goals, the problem is the quality of opposition. Playing at Premier league level those chances aren't there, there's a gulf between the Prem and the championship in terms of quality so where does that leave the National league. I'm not against him being called up if there is space or in place of someone not playing or performing (Mark Harris for example). But to belittle players scoring at Championship level when Mullin has not really scored above League 2 (in one season) is ludicrous. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 23, 2023 15:56:06 GMT
I've watched them all play, Mullin's the better finisher. If you disagree then I don't think you've seen enough of Mullin. 8 goals at Championship level, lol. Great argument. You would be going absolutely insane if Kieffer scored the first one that Mullin buried yesterday. The problem isn't the amount of goals, the problem is the quality of opposition. Playing at Premier league level those chances aren't there, there's a gulf between the Prem and the championship in terms of quality so where does that leave the National league. I'm not against him being called up if there is space or in place of someone not playing or performing (Mark Harris for example). But to belittle players scoring at Championship level when Mullin has not really scored above League 2 (in one season) is ludicrous. But Mullin crafted and scored chances against Championship opposition this season too. Feel as though there's an agenda against him here as stuff like that is getting conveniently ignored. Mark Harris was very average at this level, but granted he was a tad younger. |
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Post by zserty on Apr 23, 2023 16:42:56 GMT
The problem isn't the amount of goals, the problem is the quality of opposition. Playing at Premier league level those chances aren't there, there's a gulf between the Prem and the championship in terms of quality so where does that leave the National league. I'm not against him being called up if there is space or in place of someone not playing or performing (Mark Harris for example). But to belittle players scoring at Championship level when Mullin has not really scored above League 2 (in one season) is ludicrous. But Mullin crafted and scored chances against Championship opposition this season too. Feel as though there's an agenda against him here as stuff like that is getting conveniently ignored. Mark Harris was very average at this level, but granted he was a tad younger. Unfortunately it's a very small sample size to go off (3 Cup games). He just needs to be playing at a higher level week in and out. Was surprised to see Cullen and Ched Evans 2nd and 3rd respectively for goals per 90 in the championship. That what he is competing against. |
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Post by hooky on Apr 23, 2023 16:49:19 GMT
I have said it before.
Mark Harris is not a kid! He is 25 this December. He does not have it and I assume unless he pushes on very quickly he will end up in the first division.
9 goals for Cardiff in 85 says it all. I think most of us would back Mullin to score at least 10 a season in the Championship
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