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Post by jbt95 on Dec 8, 2021 17:21:00 GMT
I can see a lot of fans saying that they’re not going ‘on moral grounds’ when the reality is that it’s miles out of most of our budgets. Trip of a lifetime though... hopefully! |
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Post by welshrover on Dec 8, 2021 17:27:38 GMT
Does seem a waste of money by whomever is having to fund a jolly for something we haven't even qualified for.
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Post by caws1958 on Dec 8, 2021 18:10:08 GMT
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 8, 2021 18:21:44 GMT
Pass.
Rather watch it in the pubs with mates, where I can drink whatever I like after the match without fear of 'disappearing'.
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Post by welshrover on Dec 8, 2021 18:54:01 GMT
However, I will repeat what I have said in the other thread...why are these people having a fully funded jolly (probably at the tax payers expense) for a tournament we haven't qualified for?? |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 8, 2021 20:14:32 GMT
I can see a lot of fans saying that they’re not going ‘on moral grounds’ when the reality is that it’s miles out of most of our budgets. Pretty much this, I've followed Wales all over but at this stage in my life I just can't justify dropping a few grand on a trip like this. Qatar looks a total shithole as well, a big shopping mall in the middle of a desert where you can't drink in the majority of places. Bring on the Nations League, I'll watch the World Cup in the pub. |
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Post by cynonvalley on Dec 8, 2021 20:33:55 GMT
The FSA are funded by the tax payer?
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Post by adecolley on Dec 8, 2021 21:03:59 GMT
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Post by dai on Dec 8, 2021 22:40:55 GMT
I actually think I'm more excited about the playoffs than the prospect of playing in the WC itself.
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Post by welshrover on Dec 8, 2021 23:08:59 GMT
The FSA are funded by the tax payer? So tell me, who has funded this jolly? And I repeat for a tournament we may not even get to. |
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Post by marsvolta on Dec 8, 2021 23:54:46 GMT
I can see a lot of fans saying that they’re not going ‘on moral grounds’ when the reality is that it’s miles out of most of our budgets. Trip of a lifetime though... hopefully! Yeah, I can just about afford the trip. It’s just the divorce that goes with it that I need to price into it. |
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Post by insertname on Dec 9, 2021 14:05:56 GMT
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Post by insertname on Dec 9, 2021 14:07:28 GMT
However, I will repeat what I have said in the other thread...why are these people having a fully funded jolly (probably at the tax payers expense) for a tournament we haven't qualified for?? Without wanting to diminish the good work these people do for Welsh travelling fans that was what jumped out at me- delegations visiting a number of stadiums for a competition we still probably won’t qualify for. Expensive and most probably pointless. You would think there would be a delegation of play off winners booked to go in the week after the play off matches so it’s not a waste of time and money for some of the people who would have gone this time round. “Nice work if you can get it”, as the saying goes… |
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Post by insertname on Dec 9, 2021 14:14:53 GMT
I actually think I'm more excited about the playoffs than the prospect of playing in the WC itself. Qualifying is the main competition for me. It’s hard enough! |
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Post by quetzal on Dec 9, 2021 16:18:59 GMT
I got a mate that lives there. Ex forces. Private security and all that. He probably been there 3 years. Speaking to him today. He’s ready to move on. But contract until next December. I got a place to stay and all that. I think I’ll go to Wales first game if we qualify. Mix it up with a trip to the majestic city of Istanbul.
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Post by welshrover on Dec 10, 2021 7:19:39 GMT
The FSA are funded by the tax payer? It is my understanding these organisations are funded from the Culture Fund which yes is collected by Central Government, i.e. the Tax Payer! |
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Post by cadno on Dec 11, 2021 12:11:23 GMT
If we qualify I'd go to 1 game if we got someone like Brazil or Argentina in our group.
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Post by iantov on Jan 4, 2022 19:13:04 GMT
I can see a lot of fans saying that they’re not going ‘on moral grounds’ when the reality is that it’s miles out of most of our budgets. Budgets and qualification aside, would the posters abstaining from travelling to Qatar on moral grounds also have abstained from going to the equally questionable Russia in 2018? |
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Post by iantov on Jan 4, 2022 19:19:25 GMT
I can see a lot of fans saying that they’re not going ‘on moral grounds’ when the reality is that it’s miles out of most of our budgets. Pretty much this, I've followed Wales all over but at this stage in my life I just can't justify dropping a few grand on a trip like this. Qatar looks a total shithole as well, a big shopping mall in the middle of a desert where you can't drink in the majority of places. Bring on the Nations League, I'll watch the World Cup in the pub. I've heard some half decent reports about Qatar TBF. Anyhow, I couldn't give a sh.t where it was played. If we qualify for a World Cup, (budget, health allowing) I'm there, regardless. |
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 4, 2022 19:46:35 GMT
TBH any non European WC there's always 'noise' around. Russia was the same too.
Remember Brazil when they were on about the stadiums not being ready in time? All the stuff about South Africa.
A Mexican lady I worked with in a previous job went to South Africa 2010 and Russia 2018 and said both were fantastic experiences.
Was going to go to Baku and if we get there, will go to Qatar.
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Post by insertname on Jan 4, 2022 23:48:04 GMT
I can see a lot of fans saying that they’re not going ‘on moral grounds’ when the reality is that it’s miles out of most of our budgets. Budgets and qualification aside, would the posters abstaining from travelling to Qatar on moral grounds also have abstained from going to the equally questionable Russia in 2018? How many people died constructing stadiums in Russia? And was there slave labour conditions for stadium constructors, passport confiscations etc? Genuine question…. |
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Post by welshrover on Jan 5, 2022 10:04:01 GMT
To be fair loads of us spent loads of money in France a few years back and look how Mr. Macron feels about the British now!!
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Post by myrddin on Jan 5, 2022 10:30:27 GMT
The Welsh fans were fantastic in France but not sure the other British (English) fans particularly endeared themselves to the French with their behaviour! Shame Wales hadn’t voted remain like the Scots and Irish!
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 5, 2022 11:45:43 GMT
TBH any non European WC there's always 'noise' around. Russia was the same too. Remember Brazil when they were on about the stadiums not being ready in time? All the stuff about South Africa. A Mexican lady I worked with in a previous job went to South Africa 2010 and Russia 2018 and said both were fantastic experiences. Was going to go to Baku and if we get there, will go to Qatar. Are the thousands of deaths caused by the construction of stadiums in Qatar just 'noise'? Is the persecution of gay people in Russia and Qatar just 'noise'? I don't seem to recall a ton of backlash before the South Africa world cup. Many of the fears surrounding the legacy of the Brazilian World Cup (chiefly the empty stadiums left behind) have been realised. So was that just 'noise'? |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 5, 2022 11:50:37 GMT
Pretty much this, I've followed Wales all over but at this stage in my life I just can't justify dropping a few grand on a trip like this. Qatar looks a total shithole as well, a big shopping mall in the middle of a desert where you can't drink in the majority of places. Bring on the Nations League, I'll watch the World Cup in the pub. I've heard some half decent reports about Qatar TBF. Anyhow, I couldn't give a sh.t where it was played. If we qualify for a World Cup, (budget, health allowing) I'm there, regardless. I guess if places like Dubai are your bag then Qatar will be too, it's just not for me and I will gladly call the place a shithole. |
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Post by insertname on Jan 5, 2022 17:09:25 GMT
TBH any non European WC there's always 'noise' around. Russia was the same too. Remember Brazil when they were on about the stadiums not being ready in time? All the stuff about South Africa. A Mexican lady I worked with in a previous job went to South Africa 2010 and Russia 2018 and said both were fantastic experiences. Was going to go to Baku and if we get there, will go to Qatar. Are the thousands of deaths caused by the construction of stadiums in Qatar just 'noise'? Is the persecution of gay people in Russia and Qatar just 'noise'? I don't seem to recall a ton of backlash before the South Africa world cup. Many of the fears surrounding the legacy of the Brazilian World Cup (chiefly the empty stadiums left behind) have been realised. So was that just 'noise'? Stadiums are neither here nor there, that’s always the issue of a World Cup in a non-European country. Qatar will be the apotheosis of that, who is going to be using those stadiums that people died for once the tournament is over? The World Cup legacy is usually a mill stone of debt around the neck of the hosting country and white elephant stadiums, but it’s a necessary evil in order to have one and not an issue to tarnish the event in the way that workers deaths should do. |
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Post by insertname on Jan 5, 2022 17:13:38 GMT
Also iirc the main issues surrounding Russia were the fear of rampant hooliganism and prejudice towards non-white heterosexual fans but as it turns out Russia turned it all on it’s head and hosted a tournament that everyone who went spoke glowingly about. The regime in charge of Russia is another story but that also bears no comparison to the issues surrounding a country that has utilised slave labour and indentured servitude to build it’s stadiums with a high death toll. I’m disappointed not to have seen Wales speak out about it to be honest, I don’t want us to go the England route of “thinking carefully about raising awareness” once we’ve actually qualified, there is something hollow about doing that.
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Jan 5, 2022 20:43:42 GMT
If you want to fly directly, stay in a hotel, eat out then I imagine you're looking at £5,000. If you've got time, are retired etc then I don't think it'll cost anywhere near as much as that article makes out is the cheapest it would cost.
I've already seen flights with transfers for a half of the £600-1000 put out there, I imagine availability at the time will make things a lot more difficult but it suggests you're spending minimum £200 a night for accommodation. You can get a hostel bed for £16, so I don't think it'll shoot up quite that high and camping is an option. I can't see you needing to spend £70 a day for food/drink at supermarkets.
It won't be for everyone, but it's easily doable for a lot less than £5,000 over two weeks.
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 6, 2022 17:44:59 GMT
TBH any non European WC there's always 'noise' around. Russia was the same too. Remember Brazil when they were on about the stadiums not being ready in time? All the stuff about South Africa. A Mexican lady I worked with in a previous job went to South Africa 2010 and Russia 2018 and said both were fantastic experiences. Was going to go to Baku and if we get there, will go to Qatar. Are the thousands of deaths caused by the construction of stadiums in Qatar just 'noise'? Is the persecution of gay people in Russia and Qatar just 'noise'? I don't seem to recall a ton of backlash before the South Africa world cup. Many of the fears surrounding the legacy of the Brazilian World Cup (chiefly the empty stadiums left behind) have been realised. So was that just 'noise'? There was definitely noise around SA, vuvuzelas excluded. I was only 15 when the tournament went on, but remember it. Take a look on Wikipedia. Yes the deaths are horrible but fact of matter is if they weren't building stadiums they'd probably be building something else. There's a lot more to be annoyed about this time around I agree. |
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Post by ontheroadagain2 on Jan 7, 2022 22:35:58 GMT
Undecided on this one when we qualify.
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