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Post by johnoster on Nov 12, 2022 19:19:01 GMT
Hopefully he has moral objectives to the Qatar world Cup.
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 12, 2022 19:38:38 GMT
I would hope that he noticed it was in Qatar way before he was put on standby and invited to travel haha
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Post by bobbyghoul on Nov 12, 2022 21:30:48 GMT
He's f***ing 17 lads. Chill the Jeff out.
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Post by selsigdeganwy on Nov 12, 2022 22:54:57 GMT
Kevin Sheedy springs to mind, choosing RoI over Cymru.
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Post by bobbyghoul on Nov 12, 2022 23:01:37 GMT
He wasn't even in the squad you bunch of hand wringing fannies!
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Post by wirralwelsh on Nov 12, 2022 23:18:37 GMT
Don't see what being 17 has to do with wanting to go to a world cup. At what age are you supposed to meant to start wanting to go? I'm not too sure he's even got the option to play for England though. He mentioned his relatives are Welsh and Irish. Unless Channel Islands just counts as England in itself for eligibility purposes now? We need some clarification on that as rules were changed in the last year I think.
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Post by iot on Nov 12, 2022 23:47:47 GMT
That's disingenuous. He wasn't going to the world cup as part of the playing squad. So if he, for example, has had a bereavement, it's completely understandable if he'd rather stay home with the family than just tagging along
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 12, 2022 23:49:59 GMT
Perhaps he needed to stay behind to complete his Panini sticker album.
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Post by bale-droed on Nov 13, 2022 2:21:40 GMT
Ok I can’t actually believe there’s people on here that see no issue with a standby player pulling out of travelling out of going to the fucking World Cup. There’s 23 outfield players one of them is going to get injured and he didn’t fancy it. It’s done lads he’s going elsewhere.
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Post by bale-droed on Nov 13, 2022 6:57:06 GMT
When was the last time we 'lost' a player to another nation? Rhys Williams to Aus maybe, but he wasn't really a prospect. Jonathan bond Chem Campbell Lloyd Jones Off the top of my head and all since Williams. You can do the predictable and say they weren’t really prospects or much of a loss etc but bond and jones definitely would’ve won caps |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Nov 13, 2022 7:56:45 GMT
Ok I can’t actually believe there’s people on here that see no issue with a standby player pulling out of travelling out of going to the fucking World Cup. There’s 23 outfield players one of them is going to get injured and he didn’t fancy it. It’s done lads he’s going elsewhere. And so what if he does? All it proves is that he didn't want it in the first place. Are we really saying he wouldn't have pulled out if he'd been named in the full 23? If so, we don't want the kind of attitude that sees him flounce for not being picked at 17 for a full World Cup squad. |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Nov 13, 2022 7:58:42 GMT
Don't see what being 17 has to do with wanting to go to a world cup. At what age are you supposed to meant to start wanting to go? I'm not too sure he's even got the option to play for England though. He mentioned his relatives are Welsh and Irish. Unless Channel Islands just counts as England in itself for eligibility purposes now? We need some clarification on that as rules were changed in the last year I think. Perhaps he's not mature enough yet. Perhaps his Grandmother is dying. Perhaps him and his club manager feel it's better for his development to stay with the Fulham squad. Perhaps we shouldn't be a bunch of wet wipes constantly fearing the worst. |
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Post by bale-droed on Nov 13, 2022 8:25:40 GMT
Ok I can’t actually believe there’s people on here that see no issue with a standby player pulling out of travelling out of going to the fucking World Cup. There’s 23 outfield players one of them is going to get injured and he didn’t fancy it. It’s done lads he’s going elsewhere. And so what if he does? All it proves is that he didn't want it in the first place. Are we really saying he wouldn't have pulled out if he'd been named in the full 23? If so, we don't want the kind of attitude that sees him flounce for not being picked at 17 for a full World Cup squad. The squad is now 26 not 23. I didn’t say if he was in the 26 he would’ve not pulled out but as you’ve pointed it out I think standby or full squad he was always going to pull out. Personal matters or switching whatever it is he was always never going to go judging by what’s happened. |
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Post by hooky on Nov 13, 2022 8:59:12 GMT
England would make me sad but if he went for that other country then that would make me feel sick. We should not lose out to them on a highly rated prospect who has been in our system for year to a worse team than ours. He even has a Welsh name!
If anyone knows what has happened then please shed some light! I don't want to be monitoring Harris' performances only to find him switch in a few months time! Can he switch to England? I really don't think he would be having a change of heart if he had been picked in the squad and its hard to see England trying to poach him now as they should be totally focused on the WC.
Its like Chem Campbell - I really don't care what he does as he obviously does not want to play for us at the moment. He does not realise that he has zero chance of playing for England!
Harris us very different to those other situations - Bond, Lloyd Jones and Rhys Williams were never top prospects whereas a 16 year old scoring hatful of goals at U23 level from midfield and being in Fulham's squad is someone we should have given 20 mins or so in the Nations League and given a world cup squad place to in my opinion. Its done now though lets see what happens.
I hope no one slags him off on twitter - lets rather share the love and tell him how much we want to see him in a Welsh shirt in the future!
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Post by talyfan on Nov 13, 2022 9:02:14 GMT
Changes have been made with regards to the number of appearances a player makes before being tied down to a country in the last few years or so.
But in terms of changes being made with regards to determining a player is eligible in the first instance the Home Nations Agreement last change was in 2009.
From my understanding if a Channel Islander has no ties to any of the home Nations i.e. both their parents and set of grandparents are from the Channel Islands and they've only been educated in the Channel Islands they can pick and choose any of the home Nations they wish to represent.
However, if for instance they had a Welsh grandparent they would only be eligible for Wales and none of the other home Nations.
In Luke Harris case we don't know his family heritage he might have English parent/grandparent as well as Welsh.
Also what comes into play is that he's been from what I've read with Fulham since the age of 12 he's now 17 which means he's had 5 years of continuous education before the age 18 in England. Which is another route of eligibility as per home Nations agreement.
Just wanted to caveat all this that he might simply not be going for personal reasons. But just wanted to shed light on your comment
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Post by welshrover on Nov 13, 2022 9:04:51 GMT
Perhaps he suffers from ammophobia 😌
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Post by hooky on Nov 13, 2022 9:09:16 GMT
Yes the education route makes sense. How ironic!
He has a South London accent somehow so I think that backs up the above assumption!
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Post by hooky on Nov 13, 2022 9:12:18 GMT
I know Swansea people are backing Cooper but Harris has far more potential than Cooper. He is 6 years younger for a start, in a Premier league squad and has stood out in an age group which has been as much as 7 years above his own age over the past year or so. We do not have such a great midfield prospect coming through and Ramsey is near to the end of his international journey - think we really need a player like him.
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 13, 2022 9:15:39 GMT
Like someone said above, why do some of you always assume the worst? Some of this is embarrassing
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Post by garynysmon on Nov 13, 2022 11:31:10 GMT
I think we're getting ahead of ourselves here. There could be a myriad of reasons why he pulled out. He seemed very excited to be called up for the last set of matches to be fair. www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zE-9hN_ALwHe states here that he's of Welsh and Irish stock and was born in the Channel Islands. So any defection would be purely out of footballing/agent pressure rather than emotional attachment I'd have thought? |
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Post by garynysmon on Nov 13, 2022 11:34:13 GMT
When was the last time we 'lost' a player to another nation? Rhys Williams to Aus maybe, but he wasn't really a prospect. Jonathan Bond and Lloyd Jones I’d say. Not much of a loss either of them either. When you consider that Ireland lost both Grealish and Declan Rice, we've been quite fortunate given that some of our dual qualified players do have very weak links to Wales. |
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Post by bale-droed on Nov 13, 2022 11:47:21 GMT
Like someone said above, why do some of you always assume the worst? Some of this is embarrassing Why should we not assume the worst? He was on the plane Qatar. Would have a high chance of getting into the main squad when you consider the match fitness of a lot of our players and the fact a lot are injury prone yet everyone thinks it’s perfectly understandable he’s pulled out. It makes 0 sense. |
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 13, 2022 12:44:06 GMT
Unless of course there are real personal reasons why he can’t got?
I admit I do fear the worst but a genuine situation arising that meant he can’t go shouldn’t be ruled out.
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Post by morg on Nov 13, 2022 13:15:54 GMT
Don't see why we even named the stand bys before the last round of League fixtures? Just seems to have caused bad feeling?
Given that he's on the verge of the first team, maybe the Harris decision is based on working with Silva for 2/3 weeks rather than sun bathing. Unless Harry Wilson is ruled out this week, don't think Harris would have been called into squad before USA game (the cut off for replacements). If Allen gets ruled out then James would have been the more likely replacement (plus Morrell, Smith and Levitt already included).
Not heard anything more about Wilson? Will Fulham include him today?
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 13, 2022 15:33:33 GMT
Harris on the bench for Fulham today.
Yup, now I’m worried.
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Post by quetzal on Nov 13, 2022 15:46:27 GMT
Anyone that’s not born in Cymru and doesn’t want to play for us, then I have no problem. Goodluck to the lad.
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Post by redwallnews on Nov 13, 2022 16:07:09 GMT
But he does want to play for us. He won't suddenly after being so pro Welsh for so long on the eve of a World Cup think oh I don't want to play for them anymore.
It's some kind of personal issue clearly where he doesn't want to be far from his family etc.
Nothing more.
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Nov 13, 2022 16:07:17 GMT
Nah I’m still not worries. Going away to the middle-east for an extended period is a lot different than staying in England and being on the bench for a match. Everyone chill!
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 13, 2022 16:18:45 GMT
A ‘best of luck to the boys out in Qatar, looking forward to meeting up with you all for the qualifiers in March’ tweet wouldn’t go amiss
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Nov 13, 2022 16:21:59 GMT
Strange to turn down the opportunity to be part of a World Cup camp, even if he was to be on the periphery. Anything to do with his rumoured move to Chelsea in the New Year?
"Personal reasons" is always a funny one. IMO, if - in his case - it's something perfectly genuine such as being advised to stay at Fulham to train; fear of flying; a family situation (no need to get into further detail); a medical problem... why not come clean and be a tad more specific? It's the lack of openness that makes folk suspect an ulterior motive. And why does his agent not add to the "personal reasons" narrative, by saying something like ".. but Luke nonetheless wishes Cymru all the best in the tournament"?
It will be interesting to see if he comes off the Fulham bench against Man Utd later on today.
....Anyway, regardless of Harris' plus points, I'm more than happy with Cooper as his replacement standby.
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